I'm very happy with this one, bought recently and used as an external storage for my Xbox One:
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The PC Builders Thread ("I Need a New PC") v3
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I'm very happy with this one, bought recently and used as an external storage for my Xbox One:
The 9600K is barely faster than the 3600 while being more expensive (~20$), and Intel's LGA 1151 motherboard are even more expensive than AMD's counterpart (B450/X570 chipset).
Stability issues at the moment from..? AMD CPU..?
You can get updated B450 board that are already flashed for Zen 2 CPU and there is no issues with X570 boards...
Just ordered my parts! 4690 isn't cutting it for VR anymore. Half Life Alyx runs with 100% cpu util and like 50 percent GPU and stutters and hitched to the point where it's pretty much unplayable. Warzone runs on my computer with 100% cpu util and like 10% gpu and worst of all I have to limit my FPS to like 40 in order to give my CPU enough head room to run discord in the back. I upgraded to a Ryzen 3800x with 16gb of DDR4 3200. My 1070 is still good so I'm keeping that but yeah I am excited
Not mentioning that Z390 boards are on their way out in half a year meanwhile B450/X570 boards have at least one generation worth of upgrade potential.
Higher stability and higher fps than what?
The 3600 will match a 9600K for less money and is far far far from unstable.
Remember a 9600K will require a CPU cooler
An expensive Z motherboard
Has no real upgrade path
The socket is dying in like a few months.
I cant really understand a reason to buy an i5 at this point in the game.
So if you had to choose a from one of these, which one would be the best for gaming and media? (is it ok to post so many pictures?)
VA Panel
TN Panel
IPS Panel
IPS Panel
im kinda leaning towards the BenQ since i already bought a 1080p version and was quite happy with the build quality / panel.
I would think BenQ or LG. I've had personal experience with LG displays which were good. Not to say they're bad but I've never known anyone to own a gigabyte or MSI monitor, plus I'd personally prefer IPS.
You may be able to find some head-to-head reviews of a couple or more from that list.
I am planning on building here soon, but now I'm seeing chatter regarding the RTX300 and AMD4000 CPU. My rig is old (I'm talking 2500K and 670 here), so I'm looking to do a whole build. Would it be worth holding off for the new releases? My goal is to have a PC not outrageous, but able to play at 1080P on high/ultra.
I currently have a 6600k and wanted to upgrade this year. I was going to wait for the new CPUs to drop, because I thought we were getting DDR5.
It looks like there won't be consumer DDR5 until later next year? Is that right? If that's the case I might go ahead and upgrade.
My choice now is do nothing for another year and a half. Go ahead and get what I really want a 3700x...or just get a cheap mobo and CPU(I really want to get above 4 cores), reuse RAM(3000Mhz).
Thoughts?
Edit a 3600 is quite a leap in performance, unless 3000 DDR4 will choke it.
It looks like there won't be consumer DDR5 until later next year? Is that right? If that's the case I might go ahead and upgrade.
My choice now is do nothing for another year and a half. Go ahead and get what I really want a 3700x...or just get a cheap mobo and CPU(I really want to get above 4 cores), reuse RAM(3000Mhz).
Thoughts?
Edit a 3600 is quite a leap in performance, unless 3000 DDR4 will choke it.
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Just tried out my PSVR on PC using Trinus. Was able to play Asetto Corsa just fine, but the resolution left a lot to be desired. Also got a headache because of the pressure of the headset.
Sucks that everything is out of stock right now. I'm looking to get a Logitech G29 and some kind of headset to dive into some sims.
Sucks that everything is out of stock right now. I'm looking to get a Logitech G29 and some kind of headset to dive into some sims.
Safe to bet DDR5 isn't coming to mainstream before 2022. Upgrade now.
Both AMD and Nvidia's mainstream GPUs aren't coming out this year, they'll release high end cards first, which means the successors to 2060/5700 are at least a year away.
HDR is not meant to be on all the time. Windows itself and browsers and apps and stuff all run in SDR, so if you force HDR when using them, of course it will look wrong. Only toggle on HDR in windows settings right before you boot an HDR game, and toggle it off after. And TBH for most games you don't even gotta do that, they will switch automatically. It's only necessary for some games (windows store games, a few square enix titles, etc). If you're talking about during gameplay, something is wrong in your settings.
What's a good mid-priced graphics card that should last a while?
I'm currently still on a 750 Ti from ages ago.
Hoping to play Control, RE2, RE3 with at least on as stable 70+ FPS high and have some head room to support games in the next couple of years at 1080p with no problems.
Or is there something I should wait for? I'm thinking $300-$350 CAD
I'm currently still on a 750 Ti from ages ago.
Hoping to play Control, RE2, RE3 with at least on as stable 70+ FPS high and have some head room to support games in the next couple of years at 1080p with no problems.
Or is there something I should wait for? I'm thinking $300-$350 CAD
Been tweaking my build a bit. Suggestions still welcome... I may pull the trigger. I am short-thanding myself on the GPU as I expect whatever GeForce 4000+ will be will outperform next gen consoles by a nice margin (two years perhaps?), so I'll go cheaper on that side and splurge on everything else.
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- AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor
- Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
- Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory
- Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
- Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card
- Thermaltake View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case
- Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
- Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
I upgraded from an overclocked i5-6600k to a i9-9900k over a year ago specifically because some VR games would chop up a bit, and I was having issues with RTX content. I'd definitely say new CPU - but if you want to go Intel or AMD is up to you, I'm sure both high end options will be fine.
Build done.
Had issues with the cablemod cables that I got. Just did not work.
Couple notes .
- Thermaltake View 51 crazy big.
- Thermaltake View 51 IO cables have no slack. I don't know how they think people not running a rad on the side could hide cables.
- Fan RGB controller sucks. I can't have the case work in tandem with the fans I've bought.
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For $269.99)
CPU Cooler: AMD Wraith Max 55.78 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $289.00)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (Purchased For $119.00)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $204.00)
Storage: Seagate IronWolf Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $102.00)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card (Purchased For $509.00)
Case: Thermaltake View 51 Snow ARGB Edition ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased For $189.00)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $124.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($30.00)
Custom: 5 x Bitspower 120MM RGB Fan (Purchased For $69.99)
Total: $2025.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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This looks really clean. Memory seems cheap. Makes me wonder if I should make my device 32 GB or if I can even do it
Build done.
Had issues with the cablemod cables that I got. Just did not work.
Couple notes .
Eventually when the 4000 Series comes out I will upgrade and watercool this sucker. But for now I need to get a nice ultrawide monitor.
- Thermaltake View 51 crazy big.
- Thermaltake View 51 IO cables have no slack. I don't know how they think people not running a rad on the side could hide cables.
- Fan RGB controller sucks. I can't have the case work in tandem with the fans I've bought.
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For $269.99)
CPU Cooler: AMD Wraith Max 55.78 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $289.00)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (Purchased For $119.00)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $204.00)
Storage: Seagate IronWolf Pro 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $102.00)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card (Purchased For $509.00)
Case: Thermaltake View 51 Snow ARGB Edition ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased For $189.00)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $124.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($30.00)
Custom: 5 x Bitspower 120MM RGB Fan (Purchased For $69.99)
Total: $2025.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Thanks.
I forgot to mention I have a PCI riser card coming this week so I will probably be vertically mounting the GPU this weekend.
Still the cable management on this case is bugging me. Might see if I can get come extensions and Cable Wrap to clean everything up.
Does that include a monitor, etc, or is it $1200 for the tower alone?
Your options are either paying more to use a system integrator like NZXT BLD, and customize your own (for example)
Or look on online retail stores for deals on gaming desktops and you may be able to get some higher end components for less, but cheaper build quality/cooling. (for example, also )
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The 970 EVO PLUS is the first class passenger on this airplane and inching towards from 2TB NVMe from other vendors. It is good though, just I prefer to have double the space. Any reason for the full tower?Been tweaking my build a bit. Suggestions still welcome... I may pull the trigger. I am short-thanding myself on the GPU as I expect whatever GeForce 4000+ will be will outperform next gen consoles by a nice margin (two years perhaps?), so I'll go cheaper on that side and splurge on everything else.
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- AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor
- Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
- Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory
- Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
- Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card
- Thermaltake View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case
- Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
- Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
That's a nice build. A couple of minor cables in weird places but you did a really clean job of it.
- What is that weird metal jutout supposed to be? (where the PSU normally is)
- This is definitely a build where an EVGA PowerLink would clean up the cabling a bit
- Bottom intakes? Wow, I'm really not prepared for this case design
- I can't find any info about those fans so hard to say why it can't interface with a 4pin or 3pin RGB controller...
So I'm debating buying a Ryzen 9 3900X using my Stimulus Check Money. ($439 on Amazon right now)
While I might be wrong but I think having a Ryzen 7 2700 with my RTX 2080 Super might be causing a bottleneck? So getting something more on it's level would help. That being said I'm not sure if I should wait for the rumored 4000s. Granted I don't know if my Motherboard will support it (I believe it does supposed Zen 2/3).
My motherboard is the B450-F.
While I might be wrong but I think having a Ryzen 7 2700 with my RTX 2080 Super might be causing a bottleneck? So getting something more on it's level would help. That being said I'm not sure if I should wait for the rumored 4000s. Granted I don't know if my Motherboard will support it (I believe it does supposed Zen 2/3).
My motherboard is the B450-F.
Well, 3700X it is I guess.
That GPU news is a real bummer too. I have a 1070 at the moment, Still waiting for a GPU though.
Is there any real reason to go with a 570 board over a 450? PCIe 4.0 isnt enough. Hell any reason to get anything more expensive than the Gigabyte B450m
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Thanks. I wish I had more slack on the IO cables but this case really doesn't give you many options when you aren't running stock.
- The jutout is the support for a vertical GPU config.
- That Powerlink looks awesome actually. PS is actually in the back as seen below (This is Not my Build)
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- Fans on the top and bottom were some cheap RGB fans I found just to keep airflow going. Little paranoid as this is meant for water cooling but everything is fine. I may replace these fans once I'm ready.
- ThermalTake Fans that come with the case aren't 3 pin and use their own header and they don't have a 3 pin out on their controller. So for now I'm using the ASROCK 3 Pin for the 5 fans as the Thermaltake fans use the Reset pinout to cycle colors.
I'll consider a 2TB then. I think I can fit it in my budget. The Full tower for three things... I do like bully cases, airflow, and I can manage the insides better. Now if you have any Midsize suggestions that are easy to work with and good airflow I am definitely in.
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Ah, I see it's for vertical GPU...but why is it not removable? ! lol
I use Thermaltake fans as well (Riing Trio x3 140mm) and basically you need to buy Thermaltake's sold-separately controller (TT Sync) which adds 3-pin and SATA power instead of molex. The cheapo controller that comes with the fans doesn't do it.
I would wait for 4000, a quick google suggests you shouldn't be more than ~5% bottlenecked. That being said B450 has no guarantee of supporting anything past 3000 series, and the boards are old enough I personally doubt you will get a BIOS flash for it. But it's possible.
I was just looking into it cause I got a 144hz monitor and while I have no illusion that not every game I will be able to reach that- I did notice even some games like League of Legends was struggling to keep a locked 144hz fps at 1440p. So I'm trying to look for that boost that might make the experience a lot more consistent.
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Question what's VRAM? Is that just the amount of memory in the GPU? Flight simulator put out there specs and I want to know if I can run it on max. Reach all the ideal specs and exceed most expect I'm not sure on what the VRAM is haha
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I think it depends on if you need (1) stuff like a 5.25" bay or (2) a variety of 2.5"/3.5" internal drives. Full ATX is good for those. But if you just want airflow and cable management something like the Meshify C or P400A or even the Thermaltake case above are better bets. They are midtowers that use full ATX motherboards, but have great side grommets and room in the back for proper cable management, along with pre-installed straps (at least, on the Meshify C)
The downside with these smaller cases is they are very limited in terms of bigger drives. I have a single 3.5" HDD in mine (along with the NVMe) but the Meshify C only has two trays. If you dump the drive tray entirely there is a huge amount of room behind the shroud to work with.
I mean, here's mine:
I've cleaned it up a bit more since then (I am running 5x RGB fans, it got a bit crazy...) but that fits a 3600, full ATX X570 board, GTX 970, etc...
Well, 144fps might be tough, but do you have freesync enabled? Anyway beyond that, you're right that it would help a little bit. But only a little; after that you're either in the market for a new GPU or a reduction in graphics settings.
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Yes. Your Graphics card has its own, fast memory because it's just way too slow to access main memory on a PC, even if it's modern. On most cards it's called "GDDR5" these days. It's not upgradeable so you're stuck with whatever is on the Graphics card (unless you buy a new one)
I'm sure you have, but it's enabled right? Both in the monitor and control panel?
Ok sweet I'm getting a RTx 2080 TI with 11 Gb so I should be more than good! Thank you 😊
I've been wanting to build a new PC that is a smaller form factor, since my current use has me using my NXZT Phantom build in the living room with VR and gamepad games on a 4K tv and carrying it into a backroom for when I'd rather use a K+M and my 3440x1440 monitor. And there's really no point that I can tell of having a Mid tower that's mostly empty. My current build is a MSI X99S SLI Plus MoBo, i7-5820K, and MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X. It seems upgrading would mean getting a new motherboard and cpu anyway so I might as well try going more compact.
So last night instead of getting any sleep I put a list together for a miniITX build (below) -- reusing my GPU for now and my ATX PSU for now. The PSU should fit but I read switching to an SSF(?) would cool it by a few degrees. I'm think about adding an AIO cooler but haven't used one before and need to research it (maybe it would be interesting to water cool the whole thing?).
The NZXT H1 mini tower seemed pretty promising with great airflow and having its custom AIO/PSU. My main concern here would be the builtin PCIe3.0 riser if GPUs over the next few years would really benefit from 4.0.
I just started looking at microATX cases, where there's a lot more options, and I wouldn't have to worry too much about GPU thickness when upgrading. But it's hard to resist the urge to cut off another 100ish mm with ITX.
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($174.15 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($200.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($72.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB GAMING X 8G Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: NZXT H210i Mini ITX Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $657.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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So last night instead of getting any sleep I put a list together for a miniITX build (below) -- reusing my GPU for now and my ATX PSU for now. The PSU should fit but I read switching to an SSF(?) would cool it by a few degrees. I'm think about adding an AIO cooler but haven't used one before and need to research it (maybe it would be interesting to water cool the whole thing?).
The NZXT H1 mini tower seemed pretty promising with great airflow and having its custom AIO/PSU. My main concern here would be the builtin PCIe3.0 riser if GPUs over the next few years would really benefit from 4.0.
I just started looking at microATX cases, where there's a lot more options, and I wouldn't have to worry too much about GPU thickness when upgrading. But it's hard to resist the urge to cut off another 100ish mm with ITX.
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($174.15 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($200.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($72.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB GAMING X 8G Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: NZXT H210i Mini ITX Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $657.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-21 21:31 EDT-0400
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Not certain, but very likely. 4000 will use AM4, and B450 received patches to support 3000. Ryzen 4000 has no specific new features that were impossible to support on X570. So all signs and rumors point to "yes" although your X570 will likely need a BIOS update, so the only danger there is if you have the cheapest board possible (Phantom Gaming 4, maybe) you'll be at the mercy of their update team. Hopefully there are fast updates.
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Honestly I'm not sure I would look at the H1 as a super-long term investment. Eventually the AIO will need to be refilled or replaced. As it is even the 2080ti barely saturates PCIe x8 so I think you are safe for one more gen there. In addition it turns out there is no valid PCIe 4.0 riser so it's just a hard stop on builds that micro. H210i is a fine case though.
Welp, just pulled the trigger on some parts!
CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.4 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W 100-100000071BOX Desktop Processor
Motherboard:ASUS Prime X570-Pro Ryzen 3 AM4 with PCIe Gen4, Dual M.2, HDMI, SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.2 Gen 2 ATX Motherboard
Memory: GeIL EVO X II AMD Edition 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model GAEXSW416GB3200C16ADC
I'm getting anxiety about buying a new video card.. really wanna pull the trigger on a 2080 super but I'm hesitating
CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.4 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W 100-100000071BOX Desktop Processor
Motherboard:ASUS Prime X570-Pro Ryzen 3 AM4 with PCIe Gen4, Dual M.2, HDMI, SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.2 Gen 2 ATX Motherboard
Memory: GeIL EVO X II AMD Edition 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model GAEXSW416GB3200C16ADC
I'm getting anxiety about buying a new video card.. really wanna pull the trigger on a 2080 super but I'm hesitating
I am in the same boat. Especially with the next console gen coming out.
Oh, I didn't even think about needing to refill.
On a tangent, I never really hear much justification for which set of ram sticks people get (other than height for small builds maybe) and I just sort of picked ones from a compatibility list.
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If you are building with an AIO CPU cooler then RAM height is basically immaterial because it's just about clearing the tubes above. It's a bigger deal with air coolers because the heatsinks get wide and big fast, even flat ones like Noctua require low profile RAM most of the time.
On the H1 with it being more compact maybe it's more of an issue. In that sense Corsair Vengeance LPX is usually a safe memory bet because it has no RGB and a very low heatsink.
Not for me.
What monitor?
Windows HDR used to be pretty bad, but it's come a really long way. It's not really meant to be used on the desktop either. Toggle it on, and head right to a game, or in some cases, you don't even need to toggle it on in Windows, the game will do it for you.
I can't see your image , firefox or chrome :/
Hmm
Try this
Yep, see it now. Case does indeed look huge. You gotta fill that space up with a rad, though. Doesn't that drive you crazy lol
Oh it does.
Still have to decide how I want to watercool it. Really considering copper tubing
Hmm
Try this
A pretty handsome case.
I think im just so used to regular cases and/or when people get these large cases they are usually elaborately water cooled.
Looking at it this empty looks like its not complete or something.
Cant wait to see where you take it, with all that space a white theme your really could go crazy with the water cooling.
Twoud be a good case to make a F&F themed PC.
Just put a NOS can in that empty space.
Time to start concepting builds.
How have I never seen this case before. It's an 011 Dynamic from another timeline. So similar but also just different enough for me to double take lolHmm
Try this