Holy testicle tuesday. Blatant rip-off indeed.Fractal Define 7, Fractal Define 7XL, and Phanteks had a copycat case that looks like an Lian Li 011D. Though I see why the latter would be kept under wraps since it is a bit of blatant copy.
Holy testicle tuesday. Blatant rip-off indeed.Fractal Define 7, Fractal Define 7XL, and Phanteks had a copycat case that looks like an Lian Li 011D. Though I see why the latter would be kept under wraps since it is a bit of blatant copy.
Random thought, have you enabled "HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color" (LG) on the connected HDMI port, or whatever the equivalent "actually have hdmi 2.0 4K/60 work on this port" setting is on Samsung TV?monitor is good, I'm on a 65" LG OLED and 65" SAMSUNG KS8000, does it on both and my old pc doesn't cut out so I know that my cables and monitors are fine.
Yeah. The MetallicGear branch of Phanteks seems to be a combination of budget, but also stuff that would not look great for Phanteks to put their logo on. They have some decent budget offerings, but at the same time...
How to start Windows 10 in Safe Mode (9 ways) - Digital Citizen
How to start Windows 10 in Safe Mode, including when your PC doesn't boot correctly, or when you can't log into Windows 10.www.digitalcitizen.life
My guess is the only option is to pull power and interrupt the boot process 3 times - WTF, maybe some regular win10 users can chime in here. tap F8 no longer works, and this is a "feature"?? Fuck MS lol.
molnizzle - Fractal make a solid cover for the top panel, I'm 90% sure the Define 7 comes with both solid and vented tops (though the other 10% is that might just be review units.) See GamersNexus review, I think it was in there.
Ah yes oopsYeah but that is completely solid, not very useful with roof mounted rad.
so what I decided to try one more time first was another fresh install with no Wi-Fi plugged in/turned on. Windows installed!!!! After it loaded to the desktop I took out the usb window creation drive and went to system updates. It started updating and then appeared to do a reset. Andddddddd now I'm on a black screen and nothing is happening. But the computer is still on. So effing frustrated
Great news glad to hear it 👍 That's where I was going with the TV's 4k hdmi settings, but your explanation makes even more sense!To everyone helping me. (Too many to quote now). I am an idiot and I give you all permission to come after me with your pitchforks for wasting all your valuable time... here was my issue:
When I first started installed windows and everything was good to go I was on my LG oled in my loft. Hdmi from tv to pc.
Yesterday is when I brought it down to the living room on the Samsung when the issues were happening. So in my living room, behind the wall mounted tv is a little receptacle where I plug hdmi from tv to wall. Then in the wall is another hdmi that runs to another wall and acts as a bridge. Then the other wall is where I was plugging the pc to the wall. It's the HDMI in the wall the builders installed pre-drywall that is a piece of shit. The builders used an old non 4K capable cables. Well the 2080 super is a 4k card which is why it would keep going out every time I updated the drivers and it changed to 4k. My other computer worked because it's an old non 4k card 1080p card. I just decided to to go back to the loft and try up there and boom loaded right to windows. Fuckin bloody hell. So I wasted all this time for no reason. I totally forgot the bridge cable in the wall can't handle 4k. So stupid me. So I have a direct cable from living room pc to tv and all good.
so morale of the story I'm an idiot wasted many peoples time BUT my first pc build worked first try and so did windows. I hope that made sense. I owe you all a beer
Great news glad to hear it 👍 That's where I was going with the TV's 4k hdmi settings, but your explanation makes even more sense!
You can be happy it was not a waste of time running all that memtest86, you can now be confident in your RAM/hardware - so many people experience weird occasional crashing issues due to bad RAM it is insane, and either they put up with it or chase all sorts of ideas before figuring it out too late to send it back.
To everyone helping me. (Too many to quote now). I am an idiot and I give you all permission to come after me with your pitchforks for wasting all your valuable time... here was my issue:
When I first started installed windows and everything was good to go I was on my LG oled in my loft. Hdmi from tv to pc.
Yesterday is when I brought it down to the living room on the Samsung when the issues were happening. So in my living room, behind the wall mounted tv is a little receptacle where I plug hdmi from tv to wall. Then in the wall is another hdmi that runs to another wall and acts as a bridge. Then the other wall is where I was plugging the pc to the wall. It's the HDMI in the wall the builders installed pre-drywall that is a piece of shit. The builders used an old non 4K capable cables. Well the 2080 super is a 4k card which is why it would keep going out every time I updated the drivers and it changed to 4k. My other computer worked because it's an old non 4k card 1080p card. I just decided to to go back to the loft and try up there and boom loaded right to windows. Fuckin bloody hell. So I wasted all this time for no reason. I totally forgot the bridge cable in the wall can't handle 4k. So stupid me. So I have a direct cable from living room pc to tv and all good.
so morale of the story I'm an idiot wasted many peoples time BUT my first pc build worked first try and so did windows. I hope that made sense. I owe you all a beer
Price breakdown puts the case itself around ~$130. Compared to other itx case options (and really any other big name case) , I'd say that's pretty cheap indeed. Hell, my current matx case was more than that. I'm strongly considering this case for my next upgrade. Is the psu removable?This is the cheap clone of the case though. Half the price comes from the built-in power supply and watercooler.
I am so happy that's all it was. It sucks I wasted a lot of time though, and now I have to re set everything up with my programs, etc. Oh well. Lesson learned. It literally is just the HDMI within the wall acting as a bridge. They put crappy cables in. memtest86 did finish too and was on when I got home from work... took 13 hours? All good no errors.
You have been so helpful... maybe I can ask a few more hopefully easy questions.
1. My mouse works fine then seems to freeze up and lag (and it seems in conjunction with the fan)
2. The fan is quiet and then all the sudden I hear chugging for a minute, not sure why? (I can post my specs again if that helps any).
3. How do I know what speed my ram is running at and where in the bios do I fix that, do you know? I tried looking but couldn't really figure it out.
And do you have any suggestions of programs do download to monitor voltage, thermals, etc?
Lol that's awesome man. No worries. Glad it's working.
Reminded me of my friend who bought a $1m+ house with custom renos and found the builders used dollar-store HDMI cables like in this custom made home theatre setup. 720p is gold!
1. No idea, try blowing in the sensor maybe some dust or a hair stuck in there. Shouldn't happen obviously, and if it continues and coincides with high cpu activity or something that is weird and not good
2. Common to Ryzen systems. They fluctuate 10+ degrees up and down boosting for even the most trivial task and then backing off when idle. Look in the bios for some kind of "fan smoothing delay", I have mine set to IIRC 7 seconds and it no longer spins up and down unless actually needed.
3. It should say on the right of the screen IIRC when you first enter bios (tho maybe advanced/simple mode difference). If it's not running as you like (the memtest screen shows it should be capable of 3200 C16 IIRC) then find in the bios the setting for XMP and enable. Please note this means you should run memtest again for at least 1 clean pass to have confidence in the hardware being crash-free at current settings. It will also give you an indication how much faster it is, you can compare the GB/s values top left of memtest86 screen. Memory SHOULD be fine at it's rated settings but you don't know until tested!
NB I do have a Gigabyte X570 so if you're really stuck I can find exactly where these settings are, but it isn't currently hooked up to power supply and is sat in a state of half-build for now.
molnizzle - Fractal make a solid cover for the top panel, I'm 90% sure the Define 7 comes with both solid and vented tops (though the other 10% is that might just be review units.) See GamersNexus review, I think it was in there.
I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I want fans at the top, I just don't want a mesh or perforated top panel. I want the exhaust to work just like the intake works on the front. So up and the the sides, if that makes sense. Basically I want the top of the case to look exactly like the front. No fan holes or circles on the top. I can't seem to find anything like that.Cooler Master has a Fractal Design Define inspired case called the SILENCIO S600, which has a more discrete "intake".
Corsair also has a case with no windows and not obvious intake called the Carbide Series 275Q.
Cases marketed a silent are the ones that usually get rid of both windows and mesh.
There was a case called the Jonsbo/Cooltek UMX-4 that was aluminum on every side, but that doesn't have rad support in front iirc. (plus you can only get the no glass version in ali-express from what I can find)
There will probably come a case that's all aluminum with a side intake like the Lian Li O11D, but so far that kind of intake goes hand in had with lots of glass.
Why would it work for the front and not the top? Shouldn't the fans be able to push the air up and out through the side vents just as easily as they can intake in the front?Presumably most users would have the top fans exhausting air and the side vents don't work for that. There aren't many options for non-window, non-top perforated cases but maybe check out Be Quiet, I think some of their cases come with optional top covers. Also if it's just about seeing the top fans, a case with tight mesh and additional dust filter should be pretty much non-see through.
This is still way to many keypresses and mouse clicks. I want one hotkey like Windows+Shift+something to bring up the box, drag box, screenshot appears on desktop.You want to use the old Snipping Tool. Hit the windows key and then type "snip.." until the Snipping Tool comes up, then hit enter. You can choose to copy to clipboard or save an image.
Yes I'm an idiot sorry and misread that bit. The Phanteks Enthoo Evolv is like you want, and otherwise very nice. But, side windows. Maybe they have a version without?I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I want fans at the top, I just don't want a mesh or perforated top panel. I want the exhaust to work just like the intake works on the front. So up and the the sides, if that makes sense. Basically I want the top of the case to look exactly like the front. No fan holes or circles on the top. I can't seem to find anything like that.
Why would it work for the front and not the top? Shouldn't the fans be able to push the air up and out through the side vents just as easily as they can intake in the front?
I'm no expert on this (I don't even Win10 yet), but I think it'll need a program like Gyazoo app or Snagit. It would be possible to make an identical feature using say Autohotkey script, but that's quite advanced.This is still way to many keypresses and mouse clicks. I want one hotkey like Windows+Shift+something to bring up the box, drag box, screenshot appears on desktop.
There's always gonna be new stuff coming. That's the PC hardware market. so just ask yourself if you want/need the thing now, and can you get it now.Recently picked up a VR headset, and my GTX 970 is finally showing its age. Currently looking at snagging a 2060 Super, but not sure if I should just keep on saving and waiting until the next-gen Nvidia cards get announced. I guess I could just keep waiting forever, but at some point, it would be nice to finally just bite the bullet and upgrade. Any advice?
Previous gen Cooler Master's and Rosewill'sWhat's the cheapest 240mm AIO on the market? Looking to get one. Not necessarily needing a high performance cooler. Just for the looks.
Damn, that does look slick. Always a goddamn window though. NZXT has one that's similar but again with the stupid window. Ugh.Yes I'm an idiot sorry and misread that bit. The Phanteks Enthoo Evolv is like you want, and otherwise very nice. But, side windows. Maybe they have a version without?
yeah, Phanteks Enthoo Evolv, Thermaltake S500, Thermaltake A700. All of them have glass windows.Damn, that does look slick. Always a goddamn window though. NZXT has one that's similar but again with the stupid window. Ugh.
Stop having terrible taste, PC builders. lol
Side with holes isn't any better though.yeah, Phanteks Enthoo Evolv, Thermaltake S500, Thermaltake A700. All of them have glass windows.
But at the end of the day that's not a great exhaust, I would say the side mounted radiator that is starting to take more hold is the more promising solution for a top without holes. (the problem is that the first thing they do when the get rid of a conventional top panel is that they replace it with glass)
6 years of sales have told NXZT that they got to have glass windows, it being a looks oriented brand, rather than something more practical like Fractal Design.Side with holes isn't any better though.
I like it built into the front side thing (whatever you want to call it) like Fractal does with the front of its cases. That runs the whole length of the case and doesn't look messy. I don't want windows, grills, circles, other gaudy shit on the sides or top of my case. I want a black box, just with the ability to top-mount a radiator.
The NZXT H710i would be perfect if not for, again, the ugly glass window. So tacky and juvenile. I don't know why nobody makes one of these decent cases without the stupid window.
2) You should be fine with a 3700X, the 3800X is a better binned version, the the performance difference is not worth the price, more so if you are just running on the stock cooler.'allo, PC-Era! I'm throwing together a new machine since my current one is running Windows 7 and a CPU from 2010, and I started using it for work, and Unity is murdering it, as Unity is wont to do.
Here is the current build; just looking for any general advice. A couple of general questions/comments in regards to feedback:
1) It will be used for both work as well as general Steam gaming. I don't tend to play crazy hardware-pushing games; the most intense game(s) in the near future are probably RE3make and possibly Half Life Alyx, if I can borrow a friend's headset for a bit.
2) I don't usually fiddle with overclocking since I like to stick with the included heatsinks/fans.
3) For the case, I just grabbed something that seemed simple and clean, and not too expensive. Suggestions are welcome.
4) Someone else I talked to mentioned that the Ryzen CPUs are very finicky with RAM, so if you have any information/suggestions in regards to that, I'm all ears. My preliminary research suggests that most of the RAM issues have been ironed out already.
5) I might skip the GPU and transfer my current GTX 970 to try and hang on 'til the new cards drop later in the year, since I seem to hear a lot of buzz about them being the next generation of power in regards to ray tracing and DisplayPort versions and whatnot.
6) I have a decent PSU @ 650W that should be sufficient for the new machine.
7) Any reason to go with OEM versus full retail (digital code) for Windows 10?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Damn, that does look slick. Always a goddamn window though. NZXT has one that's similar but again with the stupid window. Ugh. Stop having terrible taste, PC builders. lol
'allo, PC-Era! I'm throwing together a new machine since my current one is running Windows 7 and a CPU from 2010, and I started using it for work, and Unity is murdering it, as Unity is wont to do.
Here is the current build; just looking for any general advice. A couple of general questions/comments in regards to feedback:
1) It will be used for both work as well as general Steam gaming. I don't tend to play crazy hardware-pushing games; the most intense game(s) in the near future are probably RE3make and possibly Half Life Alyx, if I can borrow a friend's headset for a bit.
2) I don't usually fiddle with overclocking since I like to stick with the included heatsinks/fans.
3) For the case, I just grabbed something that seemed simple and clean, and not too expensive. Suggestions are welcome.
4) Someone else I talked to mentioned that the Ryzen CPUs are very finicky with RAM, so if you have any information/suggestions in regards to that, I'm all ears. My preliminary research suggests that most of the RAM issues have been ironed out already.
5) I might skip the GPU and transfer my current GTX 970 to try and hang on 'til the new cards drop later in the year, since I seem to hear a lot of buzz about them being the next generation of power in regards to ray tracing and DisplayPort versions and whatnot.
6) I have a decent PSU @ 650W that should be sufficient for the new machine.
7) Any reason to go with OEM versus full retail (digital code) for Windows 10?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Short action? Perhaps Hellblade: Senuas Sacrifice, or ControlI finished building my pc yesterday. It went well for a first time except that I messed up the placement of the ioshield with the mb so I have like this little metal thing that I had to bend to plug my internet cable. I was to lazy to unscrew everything.
Now I need the best looking game ever to test this mother*cker, preferably a short action game. Any ideas ? Can't play DmC 5 because I have the previous 4 to catch up.
But I tested it and it looks goooooood.
Just play DMC V! While there are a lot of cutscenes and lore, you can catch up on that stuff with wikis and the intro video in the game.Now I need the best looking game ever to test this mother*cker, preferably a short action game. Any ideas ? Can't play DmC 5 because I have the previous 4 to catch up.
But I tested it and it looks goooooood.
Just play DMC V! While there are a lot of cutscenes and lore, you can catch up on that stuff with wikis and the intro video in the game.
Otherwise, I second Control and Resident Evil 2 (2019) is the bomb and also short.
Crazymoogle one of the NZXT H1 videos I saw (Level1Techs) showed his ASRock board had a BIOS setting to force PCIe 3.0, he talked about it some. It's fine when you do that, but perhaps not all boards offer the option yet. I don't think any mini ITX case riser will be 4.0 compliant now, if ever?
Yeah, at the moment it's best just to get a mobo that lets you bump the pcie speed to 3.0 and I'd hazard a guess that it takes at least one more gpu gen before 4.0 is in any way needed, not to mention a requirement. There are already some riser cables that the manufacturers have tested to work with 4.0 and more are at the works but since the official spec doesn't allow cables it's all in the air until there are actual components that really push the bandwidth to fully test it with.
Realistically the cables are just carrying the signal so it's mostly about carrying it properly before resistance kicks in. Some google-fu suggests the problem is - no surprise - distance. After 7" it needs a retimer. So definitely some technical complexity and cost. Intel did publish the Gen 3 riser spec so maybe folks are still waiting for Intel support, too.
I guess if boards all have a way to force 3.0 on the slot, that's fine? But I wouldn't want to sacrifice 4.0 across the board; not that we are all buying Gen4 M2s but I'd like to have the option.
Folks with 3700x, what are your temps in Battlefield 5, or cpu intensive games? I was hitting around 60-65C, is that on the high side?
Are you using the stock Wraith Spire cooler? I don't have BF5 but yes, when I was doing CPU intensive stuff it would max out in the 60s as well.
Ryzen just tends to run hot.
I eventually swapped out the cooler for a Scythe Mugen Rev.B and that knocked a good 5-10C off. WAY quieter too.
2) You should be fine with a 3700X, the 3800X is a better binned version, the the performance difference is not worth the price, more so if you are just running on the stock cooler.
3) That's a Full tower. For something mid sized with similar looks (assuming you want the 5.25" drive bay) there's the Enthoo Pro M. Another Option with the bay are the be quiet! PURE BASE 600,
I'll take a look at the MoBo and find that QVL. I'm not in any hurry to play Alyx, so that can easily wait 'til the new GPUs come out. I've always been fond of EVGA for no particular reason; I think my last few GPUs have been from them. But I will try to stick to Nvidia since my wife bought me a lovely Gsync monitor a few years ago for Christmas and it's a great bit of functionality to have. :)Specs:
RAM
It's not exactly that Ryzen is finicky (today), it's just that Infinity Fabric does better with timings and clockspeed, so the most important thing is to have RAM that is supported by your motherboard's QVL (qualified vendor list). After that, it's nice to have 3600 (if possible) but 3200 CL16 is totally fine. After that you can either use XMP or DRAM calculator for specifics later once you've setup your build.
GPU
I'm very partial to EVGA and if I had to buy a GPU today, the RTX 2070 Super is it. But! I would definitely rough it with the GTX 970 for now if you can, because the 3060/3070/3080 are right around the corner and even if they are more expensive than your current option, the performance jump should be substantial. Alyx is undoubtedly going to struggle, but in VR most builds will.
CPU
No particular reason to go 3800X unless it's on sale or very, very close in price to the 3700X. Generally speaking this is the least appealing Ryzen CPU to buy for the money. But again, if you see it priced on sale closely to the 3700X, I get it. For most gamers I believe the 3600 or 3600X make more sense because you can shift that extra money over to the GPU spending. I'd rather have a 3600 and 2080 than a 3800 and a 2070, for example. But either way I would try to look up some benchmarks in case I was wrong. :lol
Cases are a bitch to ship/sell, but things like mobo and psu should be pretty easy to sell.God, I want the NZXT H1, but I don't know what to do with my NZXT H500 and the ATX components