Yeah. Flaws are a great idea and I hope they keep it in future games. The perk choices are boring shit though and kind of killed my drive to actually take any of the flaws. Towards the end of the game I was just randomly picking perks.
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The Outer Worlds |OT| S.P.A.C.E.I.A.L.
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Yeah. Flaws are a great idea and I hope they keep it in future games. The perk choices are boring shit though and kind of killed my drive to actually take any of the flaws. Towards the end of the game I was just randomly picking perks.
There is at least one intelligence check in the game that requires very high, but besides the XP you get from using it it doesn't seem to matter much. I don't know for the rest.
I have seen a couple intelligence checks but not sure if they were high or just one notch above average. I'm pissed I didn't put more (aka any) into Perception because I've missed dialogue options I wanted with that.
I just can't make up my mind!
I know I want very high perception because I'm going to be sniping and lockpicking.
I know I'm going to bump strength down to below average because the penalty won't affect me too much as a sniper.
I know I want at least high charm for role playing purposes but I'm wondering if I'll miss out by not going with very high.
So I'll either have one or two points left over depending on how high I go with charm. If "good" isn't good enough to unlock extra dialogue choices then I might want to put two points into one stat instead of spreading it out. I know intelligence is good for sniping but I don't really want my character to be book smart. Both temperament and dexterity increase skills that I'm going to use. I've heard that temperament comes with some speech checks but again... I don't know if I need it to be higher than "good" or not. I envision the character as a bit of a thief so dexterity makes sense but my perception is more than enough for lockpicking even with average dexterity.
lol, I wish I could just pick something and deal with it.
It's one of the things I miss about playing games like this months after they come out: a good guide on character creation.
I'm not too worried about it, as I'm playing on easy mode because I'm here for the story not for SuperNova difficulty, but I wish I had known before so I could have made changes to my attributes. Oh well.
I'm not too worried about it, as I'm playing on easy mode because I'm here for the story not for SuperNova difficulty, but I wish I had known before so I could have made changes to my attributes. Oh well.
I would say keep intelligence average if you don't want to be book smart. That seems to be what most of the intelligence checks were. Or if you want to get a bunch of unique dumb dialog drop it to below average and play the dumb thieving sniper. Granted power gamers would freak at the idea of playing a sniper and not getting intelligence high, but fuck em.
Haha yeah, I think I'm going to go with temperament or dexterity. I'm wondering what the speech checks are like for temperment. "I'm very upset by this news but you know what? I'm not going to let it ruin my day!"?
I played low temperment high INT and CHRM character, and it rarely was a factor for me. I didn't have health regen, but health items are plentiful, so it was mostly a non factor. Compared to other speech checks, I didn't find Temperment ones all that common.
I had a few funny speech checks for low temperament, but they were few and far between. Granted I didn't learn you could change it to show all checks, not just the ones you were close to, until I was more than halfway through the game so no idea on how many I missed.
10 hours in and doing quests on the Groundbreaker now (I'm probably going a bit slow), and feels like the game is really starting to pick up for me. I wasn't too big on Edgewater; enjoyed the 'big choice' you get to make in the mains story over there, but the environment itself just wasn't doing a whole lot for me. But getting to the Groundbreaker and meeting all the new characters there has been a lot of fun, and reminding me a lot about what I enjoyed about the writing in prior Obsidian games I played. Certainly looking forward to playing more.
I have high temperament and I've only ever seen one check for it. Just one. Such a useless stat anyway considering the amount of adrenos are in the game.
Man, I am pretty bummed and think I've got no option at this point. This is in relation to the MSI and Iconoclasts.
I did not choose the additional food from the runner and so now from what it looks like via google I can't convince Zora to take over from Graham so I'll have to either not finish the quest or ultimately decide to kill one of the two factions. That sucks....can I possibly kill Graham and then effectively force her to become their new leader? :(
And that some guns like plasma, turn corpses into dust. I can't find one of the bounties' finger on Edgewater because of this reason.
LOL, yeah, my Vicar did the exact same thing! Aiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeee *spaws with 25% health remaining*. I also found the -- Companion walks into acid pool > Screams in pain > Walks it off -- hilarious.
I asked for the
extra food, so didn't run into this issue but have you found the evidence that Graham did something bad (keeping it vague to not spoil it). Maybe that might help bring Zora around. Also, have you talked to Sanjay about working with the Iconoclasts? It opens up a bunch of options
I actually did find evidence Graham was bad on a terminal but I guess since I can't do that Zora quest in the relay station it doesn't matter. Sanjay has agreed to work with Zora after I gave him her review but she won't work with me since I can't/didn't do the quest at the relay station. Doesn't trust me enough. At this point I think I basically just have to kill them and give the module to Sanjay. It's a shame that they limit it so much..ahh well, it is what it is.
I did the exact same thing and faced the exact same conundrum. Honestly was my favorite part of the game so far: the impact of a thoughtless decision causing consequences
I've had the same feelings with Fallout before. Where I go through the game trying to make the most neutral decisions and leave all my options open, only to find out that neutralness has consequences of its own when I finally try to take the story in the direction I want
Usually ends with me committing war crimes and desperately wishing "I was just following orders! I didn't want any of this!" was a dialogue choice
Not sure what had happened but I was having REALLY severe stuttering all over Monarch after I first landed there (PS4 Pro). I didn't notice it at first but it got more and more intense the longer I was walking around there. It even persisted with game and console reboot so I figured it was just a badly optimized area since other parts of the game were running fine. But for some reason, travelling to an old area and back to Monarch seemed to fix it O_o I was about to quit the game and wait for a patch, it was that bad, but since then, it's been as butter smooth as 30 fps can be. Weird.
I think I'm about to give up. I've never played anything so horribly dull. Just can't bring myself to go back to it.
It's a shame. I wanted to like it so badly but I just don't care about the plot or any of the characters and the gameplay certainly isn't enough to keep me going.
I wanted to push through to the end because I've put 20ish hours in already but I just don't think I can.
It's a shame. I wanted to like it so badly but I just don't care about the plot or any of the characters and the gameplay certainly isn't enough to keep me going.
I wanted to push through to the end because I've put 20ish hours in already but I just don't think I can.
The further I am in this game, the less I like it. The beginning around Edgewater was great, but the latter parts on Monarch and especially Byzantium are tedious. The amount of backtracking and flying somewhere just to talk with 1 NPC is really starting to outstay its welcome. In the first 5 hours, I would've given it 9/10, but now it's closer to 7.5/10.
It's incredibly safe. I really hope Obsidian's next game will be a little more out there.
It's incredibly safe. I really hope Obsidian's next game will be a little more out there.
Yeah, I dunno, I just started messing around being an evil bastard screwing people over to create my own fun. I keep thinking that I'd much rather be playing F:NV or hell, even Fallout 4.
As long as you have the quest as your tracked one, the green pointer will go right on top of the ash pile. Had that happen on my current playthrough. That's one of the few instances where actually finding a corpse that was melted isn't too terribly difficult. Sometimes I can't find bodies that are in the grass without some thorough searching.
really glad that i´ve bought that game physical, sold it for over 40bucks.
for me this was a big disappointment, didn´t even had the drive to do a second playthrough
for me this was a big disappointment, didn´t even had the drive to do a second playthrough
I couldn't even finish a first, I just found it so boring, it was almost like nothing I did really mattered, no matter what weapon or technique I'd use, the combat was always the same, the AI would do the same thing, over and over again.
True, the longer I played the game, the more I wanted it to end. I loved it, but all the backtracking and the god awful loading times all the time were really annoying. Fast travel (loading) here to talk to this person, fast travel (loading) there to talk to the other guy, fast travel to your ship (loading) to fly to another location (loading) and so on. Man, next-gen with SSD can't come soon enough. I really can't imagine playing this on Supernova difficulty without the ability to save and fast travel anywhere.
Just started the game, but the movement and aiming is really bad on Xbox, am i missing something? Combat is a drag this way.
Also, I think I expected something more wacky, even based on the trailers. Here it pretty much boils down to absurd levels of "corporations suck", which sounds like more fun than it actually is, when the game keeps beating you over the head with it for 30 hours. Even the perks are super boring, +20kg encumbrance or +10% dmg, they really could've done more with this system.
Very occasionally, some dialog choices show what the game could've been, and those are the moments when it really shines, but most of the time, it's rather dull.
Yeah, they're terrible. Companion perks were also incredibly boring and not as "unique" as one loading screen tip claims.
I hope the inevitable Outer Worlds 2 does so much more in all these areas, now that they have Microsoft backing them.
It seems like a fairly good game, but it's way too "gamey". I feel like I'm a walking bag of numbers and I'm just juggling equipment to not die and meet the arbitrary "good option" checks.
They said they were makeing a game where characters would be unique and stats would matter since you "can't be god at everything".
Well I'm probably less than halfway through (Monarch) and I can do everything except use a melee weapon.
I've seen a couple of 100 skill checks that I couldn't do (and others that I can), but they only give extra credits or something small. I don't feel like I've specialised at all.
Str/Dex/Int/Perc/Etc. stats don't matter, and just give Fallout 4-type flavour to your responses in most cases. I've done some savescumming because I can't be bothered to change companions/clothes to hit 100 persuade/lie every time I go into a conversation.
The goofiness is a bit too over-the-top too. It makes it hard to care about anyone in the world when it's all just played for laughs.
Games need to stop having the dialogue system where you can safely (and are expected to) select all the responses and then pick the one that matters.
I'm making it seem worse than it is, but I'm a bit disappointed.
They said they were makeing a game where characters would be unique and stats would matter since you "can't be god at everything".
Well I'm probably less than halfway through (Monarch) and I can do everything except use a melee weapon.
I've seen a couple of 100 skill checks that I couldn't do (and others that I can), but they only give extra credits or something small. I don't feel like I've specialised at all.
Str/Dex/Int/Perc/Etc. stats don't matter, and just give Fallout 4-type flavour to your responses in most cases. I've done some savescumming because I can't be bothered to change companions/clothes to hit 100 persuade/lie every time I go into a conversation.
The goofiness is a bit too over-the-top too. It makes it hard to care about anyone in the world when it's all just played for laughs.
Games need to stop having the dialogue system where you can safely (and are expected to) select all the responses and then pick the one that matters.
I'm making it seem worse than it is, but I'm a bit disappointed.
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"nothing matters and its like Fallout 4"? I dont think you remember fallout 4 that much then. There are also far more skill checks youre not seeing cause the default option hides skill checks that are far away from your actual skillpoints. Of course if you savescum and look "behind the curtains" its going to kill some of the magic of the game, but thats for prety much everything - you did this to yourself by savescumming which is never and should never be considered while designing a game.
The game is a step down from other obsidian games in build choices however. I never felt restricted from using weapons i didnt specialize at all. Or felt like specializing in one - i think i got heavy to 60 and that was pretty much it but still used a lot more of the hunting rifle and plasma charger with zero downsides
Just finished the game that was pretty satisfying, felt a lot more like a mass effect game then a fallout one really enjoyed some of companion quest but most of the side quest were pretty underwhelming.
Also the shooting was surprisingly serviceable.
Also the shooting was surprisingly serviceable.
I avoided them for so long before finding this out. Even had an annoying doorway incident which is now hilarious in retrospect.
I'm a little skeptical of the flaws concept. It basically takes Fallout's traits, where you select from set pairs of bonuses and penalties (e.g., "Good Natured" gives +5 to social skills but -5 to weapons skills), and breaks the pairs. The advantages are that the penalty can emerge from the gameplay, the player has more time to make an informed decision, and, in theory, there's some fun to be had in really customizing pairs of flaws and perks. The trouble is that because the developer can't know how players will pair flaws and perks, the best way to balance the system is to make them all pretty tepid. You can't have a super strong perk that can only be counterbalanced by a super damaging flaw, because the player might take the perk with a mild flaw. So while TOW generally suffers from bland perks, I think that's likely to be a risk of any game using this flaw system. If you want more colorful quirks that help define a particular playthrough of the game, you're better off packaging them for the player.
Hey all, I've got a couple of questions that I'm sure have been answered somewhere in the thread but it's too big for me to comb through.
Thanks.
- What is the best, most economical way to keep my hydration up? I've been buying water for 40 bits each but it seems the retailers in Edgewater don't restock their supply. I cant seem to drink out of sinks, haven't tried the river. I have some water tablets, do I just consume those? They're also 40 bits if I'm not mistaken.
- Is there nowhere to stash my stuff on my ship? Like a locker or something? I'm at that point where every time I go out I become encumbered and it's really annoying. I have stuff I don't need to carry with me but I don't wanna sell it and I can't seem to give any of it to my follower.
Thanks.
Can't answer the first question, but I think there's a storage chest in the captain's quarters of the Unreliable.
agreeing with a lot of the impressions here. i'm about 3/4ths of the way through monarch and it's alright. i'll finish it. but overall, it's not grabbing me like NV and even Fallout 4 did at times. I think it's lacking a lot of the explorative environmental/'showpiece' type of storytelling that I dug about those games as well as Red Dead 2. You know where you just come across something in a house that's not necessarily plot/quest related but tells it's own story in itself. there's some of that, but not nearly enough.
and i miss vats. i don't think the slowdown mechanic is a real meaningful replacement. i miss my sneaking/headshot crit machine lol.
it's not bad though and it scratches some of that itch at least.
and i miss vats. i don't think the slowdown mechanic is a real meaningful replacement. i miss my sneaking/headshot crit machine lol.
it's not bad though and it scratches some of that itch at least.
There is a TON of water and loot around. You'll end the game with enough liquid and food to solve world hunger. You never have to buy anything
What?! You can track quests?? Thanks the heavens, i need to do this. Thanks!
I'm finding plenty of loot but not really water or juice. As far as liquids go it's all been alcohol which I've just been assuming doesn't quench your thirst.
Well, shit, now I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
I confronted Graham with the evidence he did the bad thing, and he's just like "eh, I can't live my life in the past, gotta keep going". I showed Zora that information, and she keeps saying, "I gotta clear my head, I'll come find you when I'm ready". Sanjay hasn't even asked me about getting rid of the Iconoclasts, that I can remember.
Am I just too early on in the story to get to a decision point? Because it looks like I'm at a stalemate with all this shit. Do I need to keep doing stuff in Fullbrook? (I already gave Sanjay the evidence he was looking for and the BOLT thing he wanted."
Am I just too early on in the story to get to a decision point? Because it looks like I'm at a stalemate with all this shit. Do I need to keep doing stuff in Fullbrook? (I already gave Sanjay the evidence he was looking for and the BOLT thing he wanted."
Once you finish the Main Quest line (information broker) on Monarch an event will happen that will give you the explicit choice. Just be sure to go talk to both sides.
A major thing will happen when you get to Devil's Peak and after you get an important item from it when you go back to Amber Heights Zora will be ready to confront Graham then.
Unfortunately the decision was made hours prior and I am not one to do a lot of different saves so it's unsalvageable. It seemed very innocuous, I didn't even realize it was an either/or choice at the time. Oh well, I just hate killing off people in these games. 😩
Just finished it last night. Really enjoyed the game, but the constant equipment swapping to meet stat requirements for various skill checks was such a drag. I really hope they make fixing that particular bit of tedium a priority in the inevitable sequel.
The reputation system seemed totally broken to me, and overall kinda pointless, and it was really liberating at the end when I decided to just cut loose a bit in that regard.
The framework is there for something great, and the game was really good as it was, but overall it's in the "meh" tier of the Obsidian games I've played. Which would be the "really good" tier for most other developers. It is what it is.
The reputation system seemed totally broken to me, and overall kinda pointless, and it was really liberating at the end when I decided to just cut loose a bit in that regard.
The framework is there for something great, and the game was really good as it was, but overall it's in the "meh" tier of the Obsidian games I've played. Which would be the "really good" tier for most other developers. It is what it is.
Just beat it tonight. Feel like I got a "Very Good" ending with the help of just about every faction and (gratefully) having maxed out every dialog skill. I don't think I killed a single thing in the whole last mission. Pretty neat.
It reminds me so much of Fallout 2. The opening, the minimal exposition, the quest structure, and the way it all converges at the end.
Honestly rather than replay Outer Worlds I'm seriously considering playing Fallout 2 again after 20 years.
It reminds me so much of Fallout 2. The opening, the minimal exposition, the quest structure, and the way it all converges at the end.
Honestly rather than replay Outer Worlds I'm seriously considering playing Fallout 2 again after 20 years.