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The Order: 1886 | Behind-The-Scenes Character VFX
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Perhaps the prettiest console game during its release year and still is one of the most gorgeous looking games to date. I loved the grain filter.
However, the game has certain fundamental issues that no amount of visual prowess can overcome:
- Too many heavily linear and constricted environments
- Recycled enemy encounter design which were not great to begin with (presumably to pad the game's length which was already being derided at the time leading up to its launch)
- Inclusion of instant fail stealth segment level
- Unskippable cutscenes
- Far too short for the cinematic story the game tried to convey
- While it is hard to articulate as to the specifics (as long time has passed since I played the game) but the world felt very static outside the enemy encounters and set piece moments
- Story was a touch too cliched as it retreads the same trends of the genre tropes
Undoubtedly there were things they absolutely nailed:
- Exotic weaponry and effects
- General visual effects, fantastic PBR, lighting and character fidelity (except on Lafayette who, during real time segments, would suffer from facial shading related issues)
- Great sound design for weapons and explosions as well sufficient distinction among all major sound effects
- Gorgeous vistas (albeit recycled, which is evident when looking at the structures at the end of the bridge segment)
- Some of most aesthetically pleasing character designs in a game. It felt like a cross between a sith/jedi order and Batman
- VA- One of the earliest current gen title where I felt the dialogues were natural and normal bereft of corn or cheese
- Very stable performance on base console
- Some absolutely phenomenal looking and scripted cinematic set piece events
In the greater scheme of things, this, one of the most photogenic games I have ever played most definitely deserves a second chance so that the lessons learned from their mistakes and simply from the advances in the TPS space could be put to use. After all, the ending is essentially an origin story for a Victorian/Elizabethan era Batman.
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Seriously impressive. It still looks better (detail and lightning-wise) than pretty much anything out there.
Loved the game.
Loved the game.
It doesn't need a "full screen mode".
It doesn't even need a Pro update as it scales very well to 4K.
However, yes. I would really like a 4K patch if possible.
Still probably the most overall graphically impressive game this generation if you ask me. I also enjoyed what gameplay there was, for what it's worth.
Somehow, this is still the most consistently great looking game I can think of. There are games that have higher highs, but they also have lower lows. This is, from the beginning to the end just so super-coherent looking. I know it's partly because environments are so boxed in and linear, but the talent they have and the tech they've put together is just stunning. I liked playing it too, well mostly, because some parts were certainly mind numblingly bad, but some of the weapons felt so good to use. I've also played Lone Echo at friend's place, but never had a chance to complete it, which bums me out greatly, as it was such a cool game too. Sony really goofed by not bankrolling a VR project with RAD.
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Dude was on his own and pretty much batman. I understand a lot of the complaints but the shooting felt fantastic and I think a sequel can do so much better.
The tech that went into this game is fucking lit!
It just sucks the game itself wasn't up to par. I want a sequel.
It just sucks the game itself wasn't up to par. I want a sequel.
I'd take a Resistance or Sunset Overdrive over Spider-Man any day.
Anyway, The Order was a fun game and was really begging for a sequel to unlock it's full potential.
Being a smaller part of the development of this game was a great experience, a lot of insanely talented folks there that really cared about detail and polish. I've said since then that there will never be a game this graphically polished again, every detail was truly cared for (which can be a bit of a determent to development).
Such a shame a sequel never got to be made, it would have been exceptional. (Not sure what they are up to nowadays!)
Much love to the team!
Such a shame a sequel never got to be made, it would have been exceptional. (Not sure what they are up to nowadays!)
Much love to the team!
I think once you beat it they should have given you the ability to use any gun at any time. There are some REALLY fun guns in there that they literally only allow you to use for minutes before they're taken away from you.
These and the boss battles were really the only rational complaints.
I enjoyed the gameplay very much. There just wasn't really enough of it, and the combat encounters could have been expanded to encompass more varied encounters and more complexity in level and encounter design.
I really miss a game like this and I agree it can be very refreshing. Everything has to be open world nowadays and twice the size of New York if possible. I also think it is a GREAT game and had much fun with it. And don't forget the voice acting too, one of the best this gen.
You guys were amazing at making sure each and every detail was hit. I can't believe some scenes in the game.
Except mirrors 🙃
Oh I how see it is, gearing up for the forthcoming sequel announcement by dropping us some tidbits of info about the development of the first game.
Get hyped bois!
Get hyped bois!
You don't need a PS4, u don't need a PS3...
Plus I never said I need anything.
Currently, afaik, they are engaged in a VR project (details posted in this thread).
As for sequel (I am unsure who owns the IP), given they are a third party, it does a layer of complexity but given the gap between Killzone and Killzone 2 was essentially 5 years, a sequel for TO1886 is not entirely out of the question. It is all about if the follow up would make narrative and thematic sense, whether the devs can promise substantial progress for the issues that plagued the first game and how receptive the market would be to the genre of the game at the time of launch window, expected budgetary requirements, etc.
For me, the story became utterly cliched during the big reveal past the mid-point of the game. The entire setting of victorian supernatural stories begetting the established victorian supernatural monsters in their established power and influence based hierarchy has been done far too many times in other mediums. The only true sense of anachronism came from the exotic weapons.
Anyway, I am not stating that the story can not get more interesting in the sequel but the lack of a defined nemesis beyond the spread of, what is essentially a plague/infection/virus/corruption without greater motivation beyond the age of old survive and thrive in the dark mentality, means the writers would have to do a damn great job. Should they go for a simpler story, they should at least try to side step the usual genre tropes and pit falls.
Isn't MGM owned by Sony? I remember them paying 5 billion towards that studio.
RAD is pretty good but their best was their PSP games.
For what I've read, they were owned by Sony back in 2004, but when MGM filled for bankruptcy in 2010, they got funding to become independent again.
Still easily the most graphically impressive game I've ever played. I adored the soundtrack, aesthetic, setting and lore of the game. The voice acting, sound design and Q like crazy weaponry were all fantastic too. It really really sucks that we will never get a chance to see what they could've done with a sequel. I think building on the successes they had with 1886 could've led to something truly incredible. They had so much more planned and we will never get the chance to see any of it
For all the hate the game gets I was surprised to see that the gameplay was NOT the worst offender. If was a fine shooter. Reminded me a lot of gears in how it controlled. The worst part of the game, ironically, was the story, which they touted as being one of the main pillars of this game.
In regards to the visuals, I still haven't seen any other game that was such a leap ahead of its peers in on release. I haven't played it in a while but I doubt the game isn't at the very least still top 3 this gen.
In regards to the visuals, I still haven't seen any other game that was such a leap ahead of its peers in on release. I haven't played it in a while but I doubt the game isn't at the very least still top 3 this gen.
Is this coming to PS4? I don't really follow the VR scene outside PSVR.
But the sequel wouldn't have to be developed by RaD. I mean, Sony owns the IP, right? They could probably just spin up a new studio at Santa Monica or wherever and let them test their wings. For me, the most interesting part of 1886 was the lore. I want more of that!
This game had so much potential. I liked what it was but can absolutely see why most people weren't as happy with it.
They needed more time. The game should've been 2/3 longer and the gameplay needed more variety.
I would love a sequel with the right priorities.
They needed more time. The game should've been 2/3 longer and the gameplay needed more variety.
I would love a sequel with the right priorities.
Even now it's still an amazing looking game. The shooting was fine as well, it's just that the game structure was severely lacking and there were too many outdated design decisions.
That time when Sony accidentally released a PS5 game on PS4. The visuals of games like 1886 and Killzone 2 made me question reality, life and my existence. Maybe DriveClub too. Aside from graphics and presentation it was a neat game which deserves a sequel... to be precise Ready at Dawn deserves it.
Gif shows how amazing their lightmapper/lightmap rendering is.
A lot of the specular light in that scene is baked quality is impeccable.
I've played Spider-Man. It's a fun open world game in the mold of every other one since 2011. Resistance 3 is the best shooter campaign of the last and current gen. It's creative and punchy and original. So yes that's why I say I'd rather that.
Given lone echo's popularity and platform, it's probably not what most people would opt for. Thems the breaks for vr unfortunately.
The sequel has so much potential. I was disappointed with the final launch version, but boy the visuals are something else. I am still amazed by how good it holds despite having played God of War(which is out of this world too), Spider-Man and RDR2. Some of the materials, shaders and lighting during the inside train compartments of RDR2 during night time reminded me of Order 1886!
It's an Oculus first party title, so no, not coming to Steam or PSVR. I don't know that it would work well on PSVR anyway being heavily based around hand interactions, and very CPU intensive physical simulation.
The game was thin and the story goes off the rails a bit, but I loved loved loved playing through this game. It has an atmosphere and sense of place that few games match. I would absolutely love a sequel.
