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The official RPG Maker forums have a problem with people talking about Pride Month [Up: RPGMaker responds, apologizes - see threadmarks]
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Hmm... well I'm sure most of us are aware that you can't force people to not be hateful shits, but I'm not sure how anything was being "forced" on anyone in this situation?
Pride Month should be on December. I would love to see religious people losing their mind that the world celebrates queer people on the same month as christmas
Imagine all the fun you could have with gay candles and gay eggnog and gay turkey, how do we make this happen
Sorry for being unclear, that was 100% my point. Gender identity isn't inherently a 'political' or religious matter as it's human biology, claiming gender identity isn't a matter of human biology is what's the 'political' or religious matter.
Basically the moderators probably a dipshit who wants to claim that science isn't political whilst actively denying science due to his political (bigoted) beliefs or in fear of the political (bigoted) beliefs of others.
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It's so sad that we seemingly can't even have this: A single month where queer people can celebrate one another and our achievements without so many people taking issue with it or outright silencing us. This is of course the time when a lot of those company logos get rainbow colours and even something as simple as that has people in up arms. And i'm entirely unsurprised. For as far as we have come in terms of changing people's attitudes, not to mention laws that try to suppress our entire existence there is still so much pushback for such a simple a thing as say equality, or acceptance. Some people have it, and those that do for some reason do not want to share. And to try and dress up simple bigotry with buzzwords like "political" is such nonsense. This is our life, we just want to fucking live it, most of us are not trying to be political.
It feels like this forum mostly leans to the left in terms of it being an accepting place where people can express themselves which is great, or maybe some of you are just good at hiding your feelings. Either way, for the straight cis people who read this or those that secretly (or not so secretly) get their panties in a bunch over Pride month, I'd like you to imagine for a moment what it might feel like for your entire existence to be vilified. To watch your mannerisms when in public so as to not appear too much like an "other". To read about people just like you who are being imprisoned, beaten, tortured, oppressed. To have well liked and respected public figures denounce who you are purely because of who you love. To be denied the same rights at others. To be verbally and physically attacked, not because you were being a dick but for something entirely out of your control. For being too scared to hold your partner's hand in public because you can't be certain that it is safe to do so.
Imagine this, then imagine this happening for your entire adult life. Imagine what that does to a person. The mental weight of that sustained, continual form of oppression bearing down on you constantly. It is fucking hard. But somehow, you find a way to deal with it and you become tough as a result of it. Every single LGBTQ+ person who has to fight their way through life is a god damned hero, so you know what? Just let us have this one fucking month to celebrate ourselves and stop being such pieces of shit about the concept. Thanks!
It feels like this forum mostly leans to the left in terms of it being an accepting place where people can express themselves which is great, or maybe some of you are just good at hiding your feelings. Either way, for the straight cis people who read this or those that secretly (or not so secretly) get their panties in a bunch over Pride month, I'd like you to imagine for a moment what it might feel like for your entire existence to be vilified. To watch your mannerisms when in public so as to not appear too much like an "other". To read about people just like you who are being imprisoned, beaten, tortured, oppressed. To have well liked and respected public figures denounce who you are purely because of who you love. To be denied the same rights at others. To be verbally and physically attacked, not because you were being a dick but for something entirely out of your control. For being too scared to hold your partner's hand in public because you can't be certain that it is safe to do so.
Imagine this, then imagine this happening for your entire adult life. Imagine what that does to a person. The mental weight of that sustained, continual form of oppression bearing down on you constantly. It is fucking hard. But somehow, you find a way to deal with it and you become tough as a result of it. Every single LGBTQ+ person who has to fight their way through life is a god damned hero, so you know what? Just let us have this one fucking month to celebrate ourselves and stop being such pieces of shit about the concept. Thanks!
Ohhh, now I see how your post was meant to be read. No probs.
I don't know if this was their thought process but some people are pretty uninvested in what's going on in the world, and so eager to avoid any kind of controversy or conflict that they try to avoid discussing or taking a stand on anything that's remotely considered a "hot button issue", even if it means they end up doing stupid shit like this. It's pretty spineless, and either way regardless of this motivation this was a dick move.
"both political and religious in nature to discuss"
No, bullshit, fuck off. These are people. Living human beings. They exist. It's a fact like how the Earth itself exists. No fucking discussion about it.
Fucking hell....
No, bullshit, fuck off. These are people. Living human beings. They exist. It's a fact like how the Earth itself exists. No fucking discussion about it.
Fucking hell....
Straight from the forum's rules:
My highlight. That moderator should be reprimanded for trying to silence someone wanting to talk about their characters.
My highlight. That moderator should be reprimanded for trying to silence someone wanting to talk about their characters.
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Good catch. That limitation aside though, 'Queer people exist' shouldn't be ruled as a political or religious statement to begin with. It's just a fact.
It's extremely stupid that mods have carte blanche to remove any content related to queer people on the grounds of political and/or religious subject. The reality is that homosexuality is viewed as political (and by that they usually mean polemic and divisive) due to heterosexuality being the norm. The fact they cite "religion" makes me think they also see talking about LGBTQ+ subject as potentially corrupting or damaging to children. I see that as a lack of diversity in their moderator's team.
No religion or politics please, now let's get back to talking about the stories we're making like when you fight the lord over his hoarding of wealth in the nobles' quarter and abandoning the slums, then you find out the pope is really pulling the strings and he's a dogmatic bastard who only cares about following scripture and revelation without any concern for the well-being of the people, and then the part where the party decides in the end to fight god because he's a dick. LGBT people exist? Woah woah woah let's not get religious or political here.
Yikes!
I've seen bigots pull the "gender identity is political" bullshit before, but "gender identity is religious"??? That's so far out there I actually started laughing reading their response. What a load of horseshit.
Sorry you have to deal with garbage like this OP. Hopefully, with the added awareness, this story takes a positive turn down the road.
I've seen bigots pull the "gender identity is political" bullshit before, but "gender identity is religious"??? That's so far out there I actually started laughing reading their response. What a load of horseshit.
Sorry you have to deal with garbage like this OP. Hopefully, with the added awareness, this story takes a positive turn down the road.
Ah but see that's just part of the game, whereas character genders are nothing to do with the game
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I can't say. That little snippet is all I have, the status was deleted anonymously.
Thank you for pointing this out. I've had mixed feelings about this since I've seen that tweet last night and it's frustrating as hell how the forum handles "political issues" with people not being allowed to mention queer pride, their ethnicity in some cases, or just general conversations about what's going on in the world right now. They use the excuse that it's a Official company forum and that it's for ages 13+, but then allow people to call others oversensitive SJWs, talk about "ethics in journalism", and occasionally use the antisemitic echo sign. It's frustrating to have seen some of that shit slip into the community over the pass several years, but not being able do much because as OP said there's just not a lot of openly queer people or POCs to complain about it. Hopefully this will grab their attention and they'll address it soon.
Their team responds
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An update on the situation. Their Twitter representative reached out to me via my tweet, and I have provided them with the information I had.
Meanwhile, one of their global mods seems to question the authenticity of my claims...? I have posted a full screenshot in response as they left me no choice.
Meanwhile, one of their global mods seems to question the authenticity of my claims...? I have posted a full screenshot in response as they left me no choice.
The team apologizes
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Another update: After feeling myself under fire for a brief moment when it was alleged that I faked the status message by one of their moderators, they did some more thorough digging and uncovered that this was in fact a targeted deletion. They have since posted an apology and vow to take measures, which remains to be seen.
I want to thank everyone for helping me bring this to their attention, and sincerely hope the moderator will get his due judgement. I'll keep an eye on that for sure.
I want to thank everyone for helping me bring this to their attention, and sincerely hope the moderator will get his due judgement. I'll keep an eye on that for sure.
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Glad to see that they apologized and I hope the moderator who did it gets removed, bigotry in developer communities, even hobbyist ones, is particularly awful to me, it's already a place where people are sharing their work, which can be a very personal thing, so being attacked for who you are can be a very damaging thing.
Good on them for acknowledging the mistake and apologizing. Hopefully they give their moderation team a good hard look to weed out bigots.
"Tries to portrait". Go fuck yourself.
"We don't do this thing that we actually just did, and if someone does, you can talk to me so I can call you a liar".
A good response as long as they follow through. Obviously you want to vet mods, but I imagine that can be very difficult and it's easy for bad eggs like this to fall through the cracks at times
Edit: or maybe not given the above post
Edit: or maybe not given the above post
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I am willing to cut Celianna some slack as she has apologized to me privately on the forum. But it wasn't a good look for her, no.
She called you a liar publicly. The absolute minimum she can do is to apologize publicly.
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Maybe it's because I don't Twitter much, but I really am not too concerned about that. As long as the forum can grow to become a more open and accepting place, I don't even care about anything else.
Pretty much, besides a mods first reaction to something like that being calling you a liar is a super bad look...
