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The most obtuse, frustrating games to play
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The Last Guardian.
Every puzzle was just standing there shouting and screaming for Trico to do something, and even when you have the puzzle figured out its a crapshoot on if Trico is actually going to listen to you or not.
I ended up quitting the game when I knew exactly what to do with a puzzle to get to the next area but it just wouldn't happen, I looked up video guides which showed that what I was doing was correct but nothing was happening
Every puzzle was just standing there shouting and screaming for Trico to do something, and even when you have the puzzle figured out its a crapshoot on if Trico is actually going to listen to you or not.
I ended up quitting the game when I knew exactly what to do with a puzzle to get to the next area but it just wouldn't happen, I looked up video guides which showed that what I was doing was correct but nothing was happening
Christ this one. I remember the game got lauded for a LONG time. I eventually got it on Switch and absolutely hated it.
Yeah this game unnecessarily difficult. At some point I just used cheats to see the ending, but I was surprised how much hits it still took to defeat enemies despite being roided-out. The game looked and ran good on PC though and the music is great.
I mentioned this in a RPG mechanics thread before, but it still stands: The Last Remnant. I've tried it over and over and never got the hang of the combat system.
I've always had trouble with the Phantasy Star series, Etrian Odyssey and anything Shin Megami Tensei. Even with mapping systems I just can't get my head around team combinations and stats :/
Shadow Empire. People having been hyping this game up like it is the second coming for 4x games.
I don't remember having a lot of trouble with Grim Fandango 🤔 except for that one part where you had to find an exit in a forest after leaving the city. That was beyond me.
I found the game difficult, too which is a shame because I like the music.
I wish the game has a normal level system because I loved the battle system and I get punished by the stupid battle rank.
Hoo boy, fuck this game. This is always going to be my answer in threads like these.
It was "Unreal Engine: the Game" back then...it was a major showcase for the engine's biggest flaws.
I played State of Decay 2 on Game Pass soon after it came out. It's more spreadsheet than game.
Monster Hunter, the entire series prior to World.
If you've never heard of kiranico then good luck!
From not knowing how certain quests unlock (or that they're even available to unlock) to not being told what skills actually do to having no indications as to where/how certain materials are found it was all an obtuse mess for many years.
If you've never heard of kiranico then good luck!
From not knowing how certain quests unlock (or that they're even available to unlock) to not being told what skills actually do to having no indications as to where/how certain materials are found it was all an obtuse mess for many years.
Back in the day, I wound up finishing Grim Fandango without a guide. I grew up on bullshit adventure game logic though and I'd advise everyone playing now to check a guide. The game's real strengths are is in its writing, characters, and music.
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Yep, ive never felt like i had so little control over the outcome in a game
I remember Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare on SNES making me want to poke my eyes out.
Also, some from Amiga days. Hacker, but that was kind of the point. And then Liberation on the CD32. I never got the point of that game... it was billed as having a lifetime of content, but I ended up doing the same thing over and over and over again, with seemingly no traction. Would love to hear any Liberation experiences from other players and if they had a better time than me!
Also, some from Amiga days. Hacker, but that was kind of the point. And then Liberation on the CD32. I never got the point of that game... it was billed as having a lifetime of content, but I ended up doing the same thing over and over and over again, with seemingly no traction. Would love to hear any Liberation experiences from other players and if they had a better time than me!
Meaties and footsies have legit been an aspect of fighting games since SFII.
Siren 1 is the king here IMO. It's like they took a difficult point & click adventure game and combined it with a difficult horror/stealth game AND it's drastically longer than games in either genre tend to be. The game is genius, but good luck beating it without having a guide. Thankfully, Siren 2 & Siren: Blood Curse are both a lot more accessible.
Was Gonna say that too lol. So smooth and visceral. Literally everything else sucked ass.
For the thread topic, I'll say fighting games. I still remember trying to practice combos online and just being frustrated by different terminologies. Like having to convert 41236 + hk to actual controller buttons.
How is Myst obtuse? All the puzzles have a very defined logic behind them, to a fault in many cases (hello Riven). Unless you find puzzles by themselves obtuse and in which case why are you playing a puzzle game.
Yeah this is a good answer, I genuinely felt embarrassed trying to attempt to explain how Destiny 2 works to my girlfriend, like I didn't even believe my own bullshit I was saying, it feels like a nonsense sci-fi mad lib at all the time.
destiny 2 in its current state is like those cones of dunshire scenes in parks and recreation but in this case destiny 2 has actual real people that apologize for its dopey obtuse structure and rules lol
Well isn't being intentionally unwieldy and frustrating the entire design of that game?
Sorry, I thought another thing about the thread.
I actually own this, but could never play it for more than an hour before wanting to break the disc into pieces
I'll never forget my friend's fury when Dwarf Fortress informed him that "Construct Bed failed - requires bed".It should be
This is me. I started playing it when Stadia launched last year and while I enjoy the gunplay and have completed all of the campaign stuff that I have access to, I have no idea how almost anything works within the game's economy.
Souls games. I'll pop into the Demon's Souls thread and find people almost speaking another language. I've only really put time into Bloodborne (which I dropped at Vicar Amelia) but I'm sure I missed a ton of super important stuff that I wouldn't be able to find without using a guide. It's great that people love this kind of obscurity but it's just not for me.
That's usually what happens when a game hits sub-culture levels. It's weird that we're focusing only on Fighting games for this, I'm a huge novice when it comes to rhythm games, but they have some crazy terms as well. Novice when it comes to fortnite and I think I know what 'pulling a 90' is.
I think separating 'fighting game lingo' with the point that fighting games at upper levels (which is the post you quoted) is obtuse is probably ideal to have a reasonable discussion.
I also disagree with the poster, Fighting games aren't anymore obscure than any other game genre. At high levels of play in any genre, you'll have your group of people talking about systems and mechanics like you would in FGs. Take a look at the speedrunning community, the dark souls communities talking about iframes, etc.
Those old point and click games like Day of the Tentacle and Space Quest were almost impossible to figure out. I couldn't do it without a guide.
Myst is another one. I don't think I ever made any headway in that game.
Myst is another one. I don't think I ever made any headway in that game.
What is even going on here? Holy shit!No worries, just a regular round in the videogame Natural Doctrine for PS4
Imo nothing is really lost by playing Grim Fandango with a guide. The story and characters are what make the game great, not the puzzles.
Monster Hunter.
I can't lock onto targets, I can't see anything when big monsters are close because it covers the whole screen, weapons can be very slow to start and recover, getting dizzy sometimes becomes a game over, sometimes I never find the monster, the menus are unbelievably confusing, figuring out how to play online with a friend is confusing, my god this game.
That being said, I love everything else Capcom makes. I just can't understand the appeal of Monster Hunter.
I can't lock onto targets, I can't see anything when big monsters are close because it covers the whole screen, weapons can be very slow to start and recover, getting dizzy sometimes becomes a game over, sometimes I never find the monster, the menus are unbelievably confusing, figuring out how to play online with a friend is confusing, my god this game.
That being said, I love everything else Capcom makes. I just can't understand the appeal of Monster Hunter.
i rarely understood how anything worked and i had even played destiny 1 lol
I can't tell if 2D fighting games are intentionally obtuse because the playerbase is too invested in them or if the devs just can't be assed to change. It's hard to imagine how one could think it's a good idea to continue using these complex motions and combine it with shitty delay-based netcode, especially with so much of the player base on wifi. Jesus Christ, how could you not immediately see this as a recipe for frustration.
Half-Life 2, the Episodes, and Alyx are nothing like the first game in that and many other regards.
Surprised nobody has mentioned Ecco the Dolphin. I had no idea what I was doing in that game back when it first came out, and trying it a couple times later on in life when I have much more gaming experience yielded the same results. For me, that was my first big "wtf" game.