Plenty of people were fine with the recasting and liked Solo. If you're Lucasfilm, the takeaway from the extremely fractured responses to all of the recent Star Wars media should be "Fuck it."
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The Mandalorian - Season 2 |OT| Wherever I go, he goes [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP]
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here's the thing the last jedi stated everything luke did was failure, he is on acto because he failed in everything, and that luke is not the hero we grew up with, it wasn't till the literal climax of the movie that we got that luke, and to get there we had to have luke lose the development of the OT and act in ways that luke wouldn't act to get to punished luke so he can have that arc i am sorry that's not okay to me,
True, but I also think the future of the series would've been equally as difficult to see if it ended with Dinn not giving him to a Jedi and it being like "status quo gang - what are Din and Grogu going to get up to next?"
To me this leaves it on an interesting new thread whereas that other one wouldn't have.
What are you expecting when this series is set ~5 years post Return of the Jedi? It's inherently baked into the Skywalker era.
I don't even remember who said what during it, but I remember after watching, I wrote out in a discord saying "Why didn't he instead just call it STAR WARS - WE'RE SORRY, WE'RE SO SORRY"
And then I calmed down thinking it wouldn't be so bad
and then it was.
Do we actually have any kind of information indicating that this is the view of the market? Posters keep saying this but I think people love the Skywalkers, especially like we saw in this episode.
dude the best part of rogue is the fact that the rebellion isn't squeeky clean, that there are people on both sides that are more than willing to do shitty things for their cause, rogue one is the quintessential grey star wars movie, yeah vaders scene is awesome but that does not mean i love the film just for that
Character development is not a permanent powerup. Sometimes you regress, just like in real life.
Except that they didn't explain anything that we didn't already know about the ST. We already know Luke around this time is searching for Jedi lore and force sensitives. We've known that since BEFORE TLJ even came out.
We're 2 seasons into the Mandalorian. What darker themes have they done on this show that they couldn't put into a cartoon? This is a family friendly Disney+ show. Its well made buts its primary audience is for kids and fans of SW.
The odds of Luke showing up to get Grogu were pretty high considering, at this point in the timeline, there's only like 4 active Jedi that we know about?
- Luke Skywalker
- Ahsoka Tano
- Ezra Bridger
- Cal Kestis
Star Wars fans really hate themselves sometimes.
This isn't the Skywalker Saga. It was a damn cameo for fan service. And you know what? It was great.
This.
It's a group of people that are all very different but have - in some way - the same aim. To me the movie has a cool structure and let's be real - the space battle is insane and Star Wars ALWAYS needs more of that.
It's just so tired at this point. Just give me something original that's not going to be held up plot wise with the same old characters. I get how much those characters mean to people, but there's so much potential to do something new. It just blows my mind that they always go back to the greatest hits, so to speak.
I genuinely wonder if the people saying that they undid Luke's development would be able to stomach more adult shows with way more human characters and WAY more self destructive behaviors. Like Bojack Horseman is unwatchable based on the logic fueling the criticism of Luke's portrayal in TLJ
Still can't believe a reputable site hasn't gotten to the bottom of if Mando 3 and Boba Show are separate.
Luke going around looking for force sensitives to add to his academy has been a thing for decades in the old EU. Actually seeing that happen in live action is pretty surreal.
i can agree with regression if it doesn't come at undoing the cost of everything the character went through, but it's why i hate the endings of superior spider man 2019 and infamous ironman despite them being some of my favorite runs, while new emotional arcs may have come out of them they did it at the sacrifice of those characters
Of course it's set in the Skywalker saga, when else would it be set?
Hey Disney,
I will buy this show on 4K Bluray even though I pay for your service.
Thank You,
Seth
I will buy this show on 4K Bluray even though I pay for your service.
Thank You,
Seth
I agree with this generally, my bigger issue with Luke's arc in TLJ is that it basically simultaneously recycles a character arc he went through and a story arc the franchise as a whole went through. I'll fully admit my dislike of TLJ is personal preference but there was too much "kicking the can" in that story for my liking.
I just finished.
Me before the last 10 minutes or so:
Me when the X-Wing shows up:
The show has no fucking restraint. I can't believe they did that shit. The most hilarious part was I kept wondering if they were gonna re-cast or do CGI-deaging. Then Luke lifts his hood to reveal a godawful monstrosity. Like, could they not get Hamill and they just had to completely composite an image without his reference? If you're going to be so fucking stupid as to use Luke then either recast him or just use Hamill with some make-up and slight-deaging. Why use such a monstrosity?
Funny thing though, the CGI monstrosity of Luke was better actor than Gina. 😂
Also, how the fuck was Bo-Katan STILL alive? What was the point of Moff Gideon shooting her then?
Me before the last 10 minutes or so:
Me when the X-Wing shows up:
The show has no fucking restraint. I can't believe they did that shit. The most hilarious part was I kept wondering if they were gonna re-cast or do CGI-deaging. Then Luke lifts his hood to reveal a godawful monstrosity. Like, could they not get Hamill and they just had to completely composite an image without his reference? If you're going to be so fucking stupid as to use Luke then either recast him or just use Hamill with some make-up and slight-deaging. Why use such a monstrosity?
Funny thing though, the CGI monstrosity of Luke was better actor than Gina. 😂
Also, how the fuck was Bo-Katan STILL alive? What was the point of Moff Gideon shooting her then?
You used that Leo meme incorrectlyI just finished.
Me before the last 10 minutes or so:
Me when the X-Wing shows up:
The show has no fucking restraint. I can't believe they did that shit. The most hilarious part was I kept wondering if they were gonna re-cast or do CGI-deaging. Then Luke lifts his hood to reveal a godawful monstrosity. Like, could they not get Hamill and they just had to completely composite an image without his reference? If you're going to be so fucking stupid as to use Luke then either recast him or just use Hamill with some make-up and slight-deaging. Why use such a monstrosity?
Funny thing though, the CGI monstrosity of Luke was better actor than Gina. 😂
Also, how the fuck was Bo-Katan STILL alive? What was the point of Moff Gideon shooting her then?
Wait for the season wrap-up interviews. They're coming and I assume an answer will be given then.
The direct result of four decades worth of old EU writers not getting what made Luke an interesting character.
Luke's portrayal in TLJ was not a regression. Luke was never an isolated person with suicidal depression. That was never something he had to overcome. He NEVER failed to the degree that he failed in between the OT and ST. And that's why he was broken in that film. It's a very very human portrayal of the character vs. how Disney portrays his young version. The young version in multiple stories, multiple mediums, is always shown from the perspective of usually completely normal people. Which results in him looking like a deity like figure where it's no wonder why he became a legend. The show does the exact same thing. And it doing that exact same thing does not forgo the part where we know that at some point he will be so emotionally devastated that he will give up on everything. We're just now filling in more of the blanks.
Which fits with the rumor that was going around- Boba Fett miniseries that was going to film before S3 with the same production crew.
bojack is not luke, bojack's character is to be self destructive luke's is not, i don't need for bojack to succeed because him succeeding is not his character until he comes to terms with his self destructive behavior we he won't ever get away because of his own consequence, and here's the thing i can enjoy punished luke if the way we got wasn't out of character in my opinion
Nope, that was my exact reaction. I was legit laughing with indifference, just imaging everyone losing their shit over it. But me? I can't even get upset, it's just hilarious.
I didn't really expect Luke to show up, mostly because of the scale of the story and the scale Luke usually works at. The Mandalorian is small scale. The main villain is a local Moff in a Light Cruiser (he doesn't even get a full-on Star Destroyer) and the stakes are personal with the hint of someone behind the scenes that will be someone else's problem. Which is fine, it's a good setup for Din to realize that some things are more important than a Creed. Like Grogu.
Luke, however, operates on the galactic scale. He deals with Death Stars, Emperors, and the cosmic conflict between light and darkness. The Skywalker stories are so far above these Outer Rim troubles that inserting Luke into one of those is sort of like inserting an exclamation point into a sentence. It just ends!
But that's why he works in this episode for me. These outskirt troubles have caught the attention of someone so very far above what they usually deal in. That's probably why Moff Gideon gets that look when he realizes what's about to happen. He messed up and got Jedi attention. And not just any Jedi, the one who more or less killed the Empire itself. Anything Gideon was up to on that ship ended when that familiar X-Wing emerged from Hyperspace.
The story, for ten minutes, had jumped to galactic scale, and nobody on that cruiser was ready to deal with that. And yet it all pulls back to the small scale with Din taking off his helmet to say goodbye to Grogu. Which is exactly where the story should be. Because, the heart of The Mandalorian is the relationship between those two, so that's what the season ends on.
Best thing is, though, I have no idea what the next season will do. Not only is the Darksaber thing very unresolved, but with Luke in play, the stories can now be anywhere from the personal scale to fate of the galaxy scale. I hope it stays small and uses the big scale sparingly. But we'll see. You can't really get away from having one of the main characters of the show attached to Luke Skywalker and still stay small scale all the time. Because that's Luke Kriffing Skywalker and the galaxy does revolve around him to some degree.
Luke, however, operates on the galactic scale. He deals with Death Stars, Emperors, and the cosmic conflict between light and darkness. The Skywalker stories are so far above these Outer Rim troubles that inserting Luke into one of those is sort of like inserting an exclamation point into a sentence. It just ends!
But that's why he works in this episode for me. These outskirt troubles have caught the attention of someone so very far above what they usually deal in. That's probably why Moff Gideon gets that look when he realizes what's about to happen. He messed up and got Jedi attention. And not just any Jedi, the one who more or less killed the Empire itself. Anything Gideon was up to on that ship ended when that familiar X-Wing emerged from Hyperspace.
The story, for ten minutes, had jumped to galactic scale, and nobody on that cruiser was ready to deal with that. And yet it all pulls back to the small scale with Din taking off his helmet to say goodbye to Grogu. Which is exactly where the story should be. Because, the heart of The Mandalorian is the relationship between those two, so that's what the season ends on.
Best thing is, though, I have no idea what the next season will do. Not only is the Darksaber thing very unresolved, but with Luke in play, the stories can now be anywhere from the personal scale to fate of the galaxy scale. I hope it stays small and uses the big scale sparingly. But we'll see. You can't really get away from having one of the main characters of the show attached to Luke Skywalker and still stay small scale all the time. Because that's Luke Kriffing Skywalker and the galaxy does revolve around him to some degree.
People keep bringing up Bo-Katan getting shot when I'm pretty sure it was Sasha Banks's character. Though granted it's easy to mix them up with the helmet on.
So um, doesn't Luke taking Grogu conflict with the new-EU? I thought he was searching old temples and lost texts at this point? He didn't get apprentices until much later, right?
I'm not really mad because I don't care about consistent EU-canon, but am I wrong?
I'm not really mad because I don't care about consistent EU-canon, but am I wrong?
would you expect anything less from us*Let me go check era and see the reactions to Luke showing up*
*The Last Jedi is being argued about again*
Boba Fett's series will probably not have any notable Jedi or Sith in it for those of you tired of the super-powered samurai showing up.
I had no issues with Luke having a complete emotional breakdown in TLJ, but it was just so in your face that is just felt.. out of place for a character that has been through so many highs and lows in life. The confused gasps (including mine) when Luke just fucking tosses his lightsaber literally set the feel for the ENTIRE movie. I wanted to feel sad for Luke. I wanted to empathize, but the pacing didn't even give us time for that between weird grumpy, outbursts of the character and just the fucking awkward comedic takes at the wrong times in-between those. For me, for my sake, if the tone it took was more real and serious then maybe I wouldn't have left that theater in utter disbelief and confusion at what I witnessed for a character I hadn't seen on the big screen in decades.
*Let me go check era and see the reactions to Luke showing up*
*The Last Jedi is being argued about again*
Boba Fett's series will probably not have any notable Jedi or Sith in it for those of you tired of the super-powered samurai showing up.
the only good star wars is a star wars that has my space dad being very cool with his space sword and space magic
him being all cocky, "i will protect him with my life" and all that jazz.
we are seeing the seeds.
It's just as amazing that anyone who dares to critique TLJ is met with ridicule and name calling, as if they aren't allowed an opinion.
i mean it kind of does, he's the savior of the rebelion recreator of the jedi order, the son of vader, one of the crown princes of the empire( by being vader's son who was also in line to the throne) destroyer of the hut mafia, killer of the first death star, the dude is literally galactic scale
A lot of people here seem to miss that OT and TLJ Luke was a pacifist, not some bad ass space samurai.
You were supposed to be confused and disappointed. It was literally a commentary on hero worship. Rey literally went from persistence, to disappointment, to anger at the realization that Luke had lost his way. After everything she had heard. The pacing was absolutely fine, there were plenty of quiet moments in the film. Probably more so than any other SW content out there.
He was, but it wouldn't be terribly in-character for OT Luke to turn down an obvious need for help in favor of spelunking for Jedi shit
Plus he could probably just slap a baby-carrier on R2 if he really needed to