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The Mandalorian - Season 2 |OT| Wherever I go, he goes [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP]
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If we're talking about the new trilogy as a whole then oh yeah its not even closeMandalorian is infinitely much better than the new trilogy.
TLJ is better but since TRoS exists, you are correct.Mandalorian is infinitely much better than the new trilogy.
Huh? What in Rebels (so far) has been vital for this show outside of last season's finale? (And even then, questionable)
His name is Skippy and he's a Jedi.
I'm assuming Boba's armour will be important later on. Maybe there's data or clues hidden in it that'll lead him somewhere else.
Plus, obviously, now he has Fett's attention.
A big chunk of Mandalore backstory, structure and history. I didn't say it was vital or mandatory, but it adds a layer of understanding. I was being glib with the reference to the OT/Prequels.
Ah yeah, true. I'd throw Clone Wars in there as well then.
I didn't realize Cobb was a big character in Aftermath. Aftermath fans are getting some serious representation with this and ROTS.
Mandalorian is comfort food SWs. Nothing truly great, just simple stuff that harkens back to a more pure old school Lucas-esque SWs when it was just riffing off other genres and tales before it turned into some meta incestuous story about itself.
I don't even disagree with most of the criticisms about the show, but really it's just great to have something so chill. I don't have to wish I could delete me brain after hearing Sheev has returned or Rey SkyPatine.
I don't even disagree with most of the criticisms about the show, but really it's just great to have something so chill. I don't have to wish I could delete me brain after hearing Sheev has returned or Rey SkyPatine.
I would say it's about as mediocre as The Force Awakens, which makes it better than TRoS and worse than The Last Jedi.Mandalorian is infinitely much better than the new trilogy.
That's a shame for me. Aftermath was the only SW media I never finished. I really, really didn't like the way Chuck Wendig wrote it.
Boba never had accelerated aging, Jango specifically asked for a clone without that to raise as a son.
I really like how the show humanizes the Tuskens and makes them not just inhuman bandits.
Yeah, The Clone Wars and Rebels provide a lot of background regarding how Mandalore likely ended up the way it did by the time The Mandalorian began.
The civil war that saw Mandalore move past its warrior race past, Satine becoming its ruler and eventually the leader of all the systems in the galaxy that chose to remain neutral during the Clone Wars, the coup of Mandalore that Maul and Deathwatch successfully pulled off, the Republic occupation of Mandalore to depose Maul right as it became the Empire, the years Mandalore spent serving the Empire and providing it with elite warriors and weapons, Sabine helping Bo Katan overthrow the Imperials and take back Mandalore, which then declared itself an enemy of the Empire...
There's a lot those shows explore, which in turn explains why the Empire razed Mandalore and scattered its people to the wind. I guess even though the Empire fell, the Mandalorians are still hunted for their tools and their knowledge and they are too few and too spread out to really recover.
It's no surprise to me that Moff Gideon had the Darksaber. That's literally the one thing someone like Sabine Wren could use to reunite the Mandalorians and I'm sure that's why it's even there. As cool as it'll be to see Ahsoka, I think it's Sabine that will be the more important character to appear.
Are we getting Sabine? I haven't been following the show's production.
Just trying to guess what's Fett's angle for this season. Best guess, mando is searching for jedi, Fett hates Jedi and I assume would really want to kill the man responsible for the whole reason he ended up almost dead, Luke. So they would be searching for the same thing.
Read my previous posts to see how depth is common in Westerns.
This statement is hard to agree with considering the quality of TLJ, combined with the decent foundation-laying of TFA.Mandalorian is infinitely much better than the new trilogy.
So far The Mandalorian hasn't contributed anything truly substantial to the Star Wars universe. I'm talking about characters and themes that are meaningful to the broader saga. At best, the show is a buffet for fans who love world building through side stories.
I myself really like stories that take place at the margins of the mainline series, so The Mandalorian is right up my alley. But Season 1 is half baked. The storytelling is scattershot, the quality of the subplots and direction vary widely between episodes, and none of the characters have any real dimension.
The Mandalorian's post-RotJ setting is super interesting, but seriously underutilized. Do I want to see the fallout of the Empire crumbling without its leader? Do I want to see how different people from different factions are coping with the instability rippling through galactic society? Hell yes I do! But so far, the show hasn't been interested in seriously exploring that beyond cursory references. It hasn't hitched Mando's activities to a cohesive movement toward any big-picture goal or event, besides the vague idea of taking Baby Yoda to safety. If this show wants to be a small-scale character-driven story, I'm all for it. But if that's the case, the characters have to be more than their outfit or their species. They need depth. They need to resonate with the themes that shape the past and future of Star Wars.
Sure, Mando has an arc where he goes from a ruthless mercenary to a guardian and freelance do-gooder, but where's the emotional core and the compelling conflict? Why should we care about this guy and his change of heart, besides the fact that he's cool and he has a cute lil' companion that we like?
If he's so attached to Baby Yoda that he's willing to be a fugitive and make loads of enemies just to protect the kid, why does the show send mixed signals with Mando's negligence? He lets every random stranger see Baby Yoda, he constantly leaves him alone or in the care of random people, and he drifts from place to place getting himself tangled in the troubles of others.
Season 2 looks like it will at least try to address some of the first season's shortcomings in terms of engaging with the interesting setting and time frame, establishing the story's relevance to the greater Star Wars saga, and properly developing the characters. But so far, no, The Mandalorian is well behind Episodes 7 and 8 for now. It's an entertaining and occasionally very cool and Star Warsey show that just doesn't have as much meat on its bones as a full film, despite having many more hours to build a richer story.
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He's definitely gonna try and get his armor back first thing. My hope is that they'll have Fett doing a reconnecting plot, and becoming a Mandalorian.
Ya'll should read this wiki page for the canon story of R5-D4
starwars.fandom.com
The Red One
"The Red One" is a short story in the anthology From a Certain Point of View. The story, written by Rae Carson, focuses on the droid R5-D4. The R5 unit R5-D4 has spent four years as a "prisoner" of a Jawa clan, who travel through the deserts of Tatooine on a sandcrawler. R5-D4 wishes to escape...
starwars.fandom.com
Sabine is just heavily rumored, especially with Ahsoka considering Rebels' ending.
However she was probably one of the lower tiers of rumored characters.
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I disagree there the movement of Mando is crafted very deliberately. He doesn't shuffle or half step, and nearly every scene he isn't moving moving around in relation to everyone else. Even the head movements and turns are all very slow or deliberate to give that message he is a big deal. The only time Mando moves fast is in combat like the opening of S2. The way he's framed and how he carries himself is to show the audience he is the gunslinger.
Whatever it's still a dumb question. He knows how big it is. It's not just that either. Stupid dialogue is has always been peppered throughout this show.
Omg lol a person can extrapolate how big something is especially if it is well known and pestering your town for a long period of time. Worse than that if it is notorious if anything your imagination would make it even larger. I think it was stupid dialogue but just one example. I love the action set pieces but the script is dogshit.
It made sense to me? You have a settler who's only seen the the head and neck of an underground creature when it comes out to attack vs the people who've had 1000s of years of experience with krayt dragons, of course they'd know the size of it better.
My problem isn't with the sand people knowing it's size. I don't think you understood my posts. It's the dialogue. A better thing for Olyphant to say in that moment would have been "It's than big?" That would have indicated that he was unclear on it's size. Him saying "what are the bones" when it's obvious what they represented was just dumb and made him look like an idiot.
Oh yeah I see, they definitely should've had him say something like "is this to scale?"
A lot of you seem to be under the impression that Star Wars was a series known for its deep, snappy dialogue, and well-fleshed out, original, non-archetype characters before Mandalorian.
I would be fine with a innocent fun series where we follow a badass character doing cool shit. I'm a huge fan of the Man With No Name films Mando takes a lot of queues from for instance. But if you go for this style, you need compelling stories, which imo the first season rarely provided (and when they did, they often had cringeworthy moments due to below par performances or wonky effects).
The reason I liked the first episode of S2 was because it offered exactly that. I still think hiding your main character behind a mask and giving him a monotone tone of voice really hurts the ability to care, but couple him with a good side character (which S1 lacked imo) and you go a long way to fix that somewhat.
Nobody claims that. But the OT and ST do way more compelling things with archetype heroes (and TLJ at least tries to bring more to it by questioning some archetypes and focussing on thematic storytelling). Nobody expects Mando to have The Wire or Breaking Bad level of storytelling, but truth is it doesn't even reach the quality of the OT or ST in it's writing.
I agree but there is nothing wrong with wanting to elevate something especially when the bar for TV is so high these days. I enjoy the show but I want to love it and the bad dialogue really shows in a long format like TV. In a movie everything is moving so fast but in a TV show there are more valleys than peaks and dialogue being good is very important and keeps you immersed. I feel like when I watch this show I'm just waiting for the action and groaning when anyone talks. The Mandalorian is written ok but almost everyone else has been really bad imo.
Wait! You mean a young man goes on a supernatural adventure, becomes a hero and is victorious against overwhelming odds and then is forever changed is not an original concept?
I don't know, but there are rumours both Sabine and Bo Katan are in this season. I'm hoping they're true because Mandalore being rebuilt would be a fantastic storyline but, at the same time, I kinda don't want The Mandalorian bogged down by something as grand as that.
You don't hire a face like that and hide it! 😅
I know, I just found it funny - dude has arguably the coolest armour of the entire franchise and he cba to wear the mask haha
For whatever reason I don't really recall seeing any Sabine rumors. Timeline-wise it'd make sense for her and Ashoka to be together but it's also sort of weird since they'd essentially have to place an episode of Mando into the timeline of a Rebels sequel series that may or may not exist.
Unless Mando showing Ashoka Baby Yoda actually happens before the final scene of Rebels...
I comparatively figured Bo-Katan is a shoo-in, unless that report of Katie Sackhoff being cast wasn't true.
I'm curious about how Fett plays into all this too. I guess he could stalk down Mando over the series and either help him out or combat him from the sidelines. There's a lot we don't know, since he also saved the bounty hunter last season and (to me) seemed to have taken up an entirely Tusken weapon set. He's had plenty of time to escape Tatoinne if he wanted to.
From a storytelling standpoint, it feels more economical if Fett and Mando actually met this episode, since it looks like the next one takes place on another planet entirely (so either Fett has to suddenly decide to leave Tatoinne or we have to go back there). Part of me wonders if we're not actually going to see more of him until S3.
I'm not saying it shouldn't have better writing, just that I don't see it as worse than any other SW stuff outside of Clone Wars.
It was already obvious, but for anyone still trying to play devil's advocate claiming that it might not be Boba Fett:
Artist Brian Matyas posted his concept work on instagram for this shot, and among his included hashtags is #bobafett
Artist Brian Matyas posted his concept work on instagram for this shot, and among his included hashtags is #bobafett
I'm seeing a different angle. Both of them carrying the heritage of the Mandalorian without ever really being a part of it. Mando as an orphan raised by them, but never really belonging. And Boba, a clone of a man born to Mandalore but never a part of it. But both their identities are so tied up with the Mandalorian armor they wear. Now with their culture and history destroyed by the empire, they need to figure out who they really are.
My guess is they ultimately decide to reclaim the Darksaber (used by the first Mandalorian as a symbol of ruling) from Moff Gideon and use it to unite the scattered remnants of their people.
Oh I thought you didn't like the latest episode, sorry.
I'd however argue that Mando is only stylistically aligned with the Man With No Name trilogy. Those old Westerns were a lot more deliberate with their storytelling and subtler in their characterisation than Mando is, which is why I brought up the John Wick example, as I find Mando to be more similar to that type of movie (or even Dredd). I would however agree that most of Mandos adventures in S1 were somewhat underdeveloped - hunting a fucking dragon is lit af, something like "The Gunslinger" however kind of took the momentum out of the season.
I guess they're just kinda trying to play it safe. S1 didn't have much direction and didn't quite know what to do with its characters, which I didn't quite mind, but it's something that would get stale for this season.
And I expect Kenobi to be more like an actual Western actually.
So these directors are left to direct this season: Filoni, Robert Rodriquez, Peyton Reed, Bryce Dallas Howard and Carl Weathers..
Wonder who is directing the next one.
Wonder who is directing the next one.
These have been there for a long time....but it took a while before people found out their size ;)
This is what I'm hoping for! I wanna see how they develop them as members of two different diasporas: Din as being more in line with the Mandalorians even though he was adopted and Boba as having a heritage claim to being Mandalorian but not identifying with them maybe? Like having Din talk about the code and teachings that he was taught in his enclave vs what Jango taught Boba before he was killed. Maybe Boba would even reject them?
Well, I brought up the Man With No Name exactly because it seems Mando takes it as an inspiration, but lacks what makes those films good. (While still being bad-ass character doing bad-ass things)
John Wick is fun, but there the balls-to-the-walls action makes good for the flat characters. I don't feel Mando as a whole has find this kind of balance already, but the last episode gave me some hope.
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I binge watched the first season last week mainly because I wanted to use my new TV. While I thought it was perfectly fine I agree with this entire post. TLJ seemed to be the only piece of new Star Wars material with anything to say.