The same candidate that created a bunch of policy task forces with AOC/Sanders allies?
Sounds like tales from your ass to me, especially the "GWB zone."
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The Lincoln Project Produced An Ad Just to Fuck With trump's Head
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Sounds like tales from your ass to me, especially the "GWB zone."
Everything matters beyond the election. Trump won in 2016, and despite all the horrific and terrible things that he has done, we're still here and we're going to still be affected by his policies for some time. It's important that we keep an eye on the election but that we don't ignore the efforts that the Lincoln Project is putting in to reform their image so that they can keep doing the exact same thing Trump has been just with less of a public view on it
That makes no sense. Again, getting off topic..but Biden is continually being pushed left by the various left interest groups. The idea that old school republicans would have any influence compared to AOC/Warren/Bernie, etc. is just absurd.
No one here is going to admit they watch Fox News on their spare time. These aren't targeted at anyone but republicans that watch Fox News.
God damn, I think if this was about anyone else I would think it's just evil, but for Trump its warranted. The funny thing is almost any other politician would realise its just an attack ad and pay no heed, but I believe it could genuinely get in his head because he's a fucking idiot.
This is looking at how Biden's policies are shaping up through some very selective lenses.
Donald Trump's in office pulling the shit he does right now because of the cadre of Republicans and moderate Democrats that have enabled him. The ad isn't made for Trump, and it's even not made for "moderate" Republicans; it's made for people like you who think this ad is oh-so-clever.
Huh? Why would this make YOU uncomfortable, unless you either are Trump or have a bunch of yes-men cronies in your own stable of friends?
I was hoping this was a quote as well because this is some silly shit. I'm sorry. Also, as a fellow minority, you guys gotta give this a rest if this is the tact you plan on taking. And folks want to talk about gaslighting?! Good grief. There can absolutely be a world where people discuss these ads aware of who makes them. Generally, they're not pushing republican ideals rather than attacking the president anyhow. I can't say I've come out of it with more love for Republicans (of any nature) by any means. The obsession some of you have with immediately calling for bans on every single topic is getting a bit over the top. This is not the same as boosting Joe Rogan's dumb ass show either.
Ok now the agenda's are getting a lot clearer in a thread obstensibly about a Trump attack ad- how, pray tell, have evil moderate democrats enabled Trump?
It almost sounds like you are using this thread as another avenue to attack Biden.
I've seen multiple people I know in real life post them on social media.
Aren't they only running on television in the D.C. area?
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No, Trump is in office right now because of Bernie Bro's and chapo Traphouse leftists like you that couldn't be assed to vote because their meme socialist man didn't get the nomination. Miss me with your garbage.
Regardless of whether you want to listen to my reasoning (I encourage you to look up what Larry Kudlow stands for and the position he will take, vastly more influential than the small concessions being made to the Bernie wing - I will remind you that Biden himself has hated Warren and Bernie for years), the main point here is that the guy who puts together these videos fantasized openly about murdering Michael Brown.
I swear. Any time people bring up a disagreement, even about you know Tea Party Republican TV ads, you guys go into the "This sounds an awful lot like being mean to Biden" when no one even mentioned him.
It's VERY telling that we don't see Kellyane Conway in any of those pictures since there is no doubt that she is behind some of the earlier leaks. I don't remember specifics, but earlier in the Admin there were some leaks where she was among a very few people that had access to leaked info. Whether she told it to George or someone else intentionally or not, i always thought it came from her.
Obviously with George at the top of the Lincoln Project, they probably would have kept her out of it anyway but it also could be because they know she actually was a leaker.
Regardless, even if she was a leaker, she's a terrible person who should be taken to task for the all the horrific things she's said and done on behalf of Trump.
Obviously with George at the top of the Lincoln Project, they probably would have kept her out of it anyway but it also could be because they know she actually was a leaker.
Regardless, even if she was a leaker, she's a terrible person who should be taken to task for the all the horrific things she's said and done on behalf of Trump.
Biden and Bernie have an extremely warm relationship, confirmed by Bernie himself multiple times.
Again..the agendas getting very very clear.
Trump's in office right now because we failed to galvanize the vote of the underprivileged and disenfranchised and instead are pathetically pining after a "moderate" vote from a base that has remained loyal to him even after literally a hundred thousand Americans died.
EDIT: Oh, and I should mention I say "we" because in 2016 I supported Hillary. The difference between you and me is that I learned my damn lesson.
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Qouted post will probably get lost in what looks an awful lot like the resurrection of the argument that got the last thread shut down BUT
goddamn this got a surprised laugh out of me, so thanks
There's been a subset of people posting like this since the first Lincoln Project ads. It's not new.
Wouldn't be surprised if this one ad turned him into Jack Torrance right there in the White House.
The idea that moderate democrats are not exactly great at handling minority issues is hardly a new one. You'll hear it from every marginalized group in the country that Democrats expect our votes, so they don't campaign towards us, or look to make progress towards the issues that we're facing. Republicans hate us, but Democrats ignore us. That is what people are talking about when they put moderate democrats and republicans side by side.
Well, I don't think he has the strength or coordination to wield an axe, so the people around him are probably safe.
because it's a group of republicans pretending to be on my side and getting uncritical praise on a forum that's prided itself on inclusivity, even though these republicans have been directly responsible in electing many of the worst politicians of my lifetime
I didn't say a word about Biden, but since you asked, here's the Democratic House overwhelmingly giving Trump over $500 billion for wars
U.S. House approves Space Force, family leave in $738 billion defense bill
The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Wednesday a $738 billion defense policy bill providing the first paid family leave for all federal workers and the creation of a Space Force, a top military priority for President Donald Trump.
www.reuters.com
They are starting to run these ads in battle ground states. (At least that is what they say?)
TBH I don't care about banning discussions of Lincoln Project ads, though having a new thread for each ad seems pretty obsequious and time-wasting. We should probably have a master thread for each ad, since these things are coming out daily now.
My two main objections to the ads are that
1) I seriously doubt that they do anything other than preach to the choir. They make people who hate Trump feel good, like they're pwning the prez and making him mad. But I really don't think they'll have much of an impact on the election. They're similar to a Brett Stevens or Bill Kristol article in the NYT.
2) Just like Bill Kristol and Brett Stevens, the people who make these ads are bad actually, and we should not celebrate them in any way. And we should not feel solidarity with them. The current republican party is the party they made through psychopathic economic policy and war with Iraq. The vast majority of Trump's policies are things that they would continue under a Tom Cotton presidency in 2024 anyway.
I'm talking about the conversation that was happening in the posts that were quoted. That person has nothing to do with Lesath who the accusations were being thrown at
They also dropped "moderate democrats" that were "responsible" for Trump, so I can see the leap.
Moderate democrats are not a thing that only appeared this election cycle, and it might come as a shock but we as minorities have plenty of experience being let down by them
How are they war criminals for simply being republicans? I don't see Dick Cheney or George W Bush (or Rumsfeld, etc) making the ads.
Look, are Rick Wilson, George Conway, Bill Kristol, et al. generally morally bankrupt? Yes. Do I vehemently disagree with their policies? Normally yes.
But like, I'm happy for them to fuck with Trump and spin ads to help get us the senate (which they are doing, I've seen an attack ad against Ernst and McSally from them).
For simply being Republicans? Do you know who these guys actually are?
We seriously having this conversation when like literally weeks ago people on this forum were giving me shit for blasting Pelosi for not trying to impeach Barr? Also, I didn't say anything about Biden. I know American politics have been a shitshow for the past four years, but try to see it as more than "Trump versus Biden". The government consists of more than just the executive branch.
Look, I realize now I've derailed the thread and I'm sorry for that. This ad is fine, the people who make it are not. However, Biden's own personal warm relationships with Bernie are paralleled by his warm relationships with such glowing figures in American politics as Strom Thurmond, for whom he gave the Eulogy at Thurmond's funeral. The appeal of Biden is that he's the king of centrism, and he "gets along" with everyone. But in a country as rabidly right-wing as ours, he's far more likely to cape for conservative causes than the Green New Deal or meaningful finance reform or universal healthcare or anything else.
I could live with making a master thread for it. my main concern is that this place seems to have a well-established precedent for not praising problematic people like the ones I mentioned earlier in this thread, but as long as they're mean enough to Trump, those standards are suddenly nowhere to be seen, and anyone bringing up these concerns is being repeatedly dismissed. agreed with both your points as well
I think the ad makes it harder for Donald Trump to get elected, which, as a minority, is the most important thing to me. I'm aware who made the ad, and this doesn't mean I like them -- it means I'm happy their laser is being aimed at splintering their base in the most important election of our lifetime *to happen at this point in time*. With systems crumbling, we can't imagine or create a better future if we don't get hands on the levers. We can't do that without winning democratically. Reality sinks in and you have to play the game -- attack ads and working with unsavory/bad/shitty characters at singular moments for a limited amount of time IS part of that game. As the left side of the political spectrum, we're not even working with them -- I'd say most are just happy we're using their own money and voices against themselves, rather than against us.
I think there's an overstatement of the rehabilitation being done to these actors, and it seems like the World's Strawest Man to suggest people are being mind-tricked into white washing years of atrocities.
This ad, for instance -- probably the most targeted of all to Trump alone, so not a great example for this, but if the Jurassic Park one for instance is seen by the average, reasonable person (ie not poli-nerd like most reading this)? They'll chuckle at how ridiculous Trump is and add a grain of sand to the "yeah he's an idiot" pile in their mind. They won't give a damn who TLP is or who's behind it. Nor will Dems forgive or forget. Nor will repubs change away. The ultimate sum? A tiny cut to Trump in the minds of the people who are undecided but can vote against him. We need all of those tiny cuts reproduced a bunch of times to undo damage he and McConnell have done.
As a minority, I can't chance having Trump or his ilk in power. I don't want my family, friends or others to die for the colour of their skin or the weight of their wallet. A trump victory and/or not taking the senate IN THIS ELECTION ensures that. If this election doesn't matter to you, then I hope you volunteer yours first. We can cross the bridge of the others when we get there, because they aren't existential threats *yet*. Also, once more for the people in the back: applauding the ads doesn't mean we forget who the people behind it are.
I'm also very aware the US is not as liberal/left as I am or this board is, so people on the right of the political spectrum are going to win in spots as well. These ads cut toward making those right-wing wins less tea-party as well. Don't get me wrong -- the entire party is nuts, but someone who votes with us 1/10 times is better than someone who votes 0/10 times. We have to keep trying to unseat them as well while building our bench, but restoring sanity to the country is going to be a long and arduous process, and will take a lot of tiny cuts/steps/leaps towards progress. Also, it's Republican money and resources going into these cuts -- we still have our own respective money and resources to send the messages we want to and to keep pushing the Overton window leftward. These ads don't exist in a vacuum.
I'm gonna be real annoyed if the only response is some version of "mod dems and mod repubs are the same"
I think there's an overstatement of the rehabilitation being done to these actors, and it seems like the World's Strawest Man to suggest people are being mind-tricked into white washing years of atrocities.
This ad, for instance -- probably the most targeted of all to Trump alone, so not a great example for this, but if the Jurassic Park one for instance is seen by the average, reasonable person (ie not poli-nerd like most reading this)? They'll chuckle at how ridiculous Trump is and add a grain of sand to the "yeah he's an idiot" pile in their mind. They won't give a damn who TLP is or who's behind it. Nor will Dems forgive or forget. Nor will repubs change away. The ultimate sum? A tiny cut to Trump in the minds of the people who are undecided but can vote against him. We need all of those tiny cuts reproduced a bunch of times to undo damage he and McConnell have done.
As a minority, I can't chance having Trump or his ilk in power. I don't want my family, friends or others to die for the colour of their skin or the weight of their wallet. A trump victory and/or not taking the senate IN THIS ELECTION ensures that. If this election doesn't matter to you, then I hope you volunteer yours first. We can cross the bridge of the others when we get there, because they aren't existential threats *yet*. Also, once more for the people in the back: applauding the ads doesn't mean we forget who the people behind it are.
I'm also very aware the US is not as liberal/left as I am or this board is, so people on the right of the political spectrum are going to win in spots as well. These ads cut toward making those right-wing wins less tea-party as well. Don't get me wrong -- the entire party is nuts, but someone who votes with us 1/10 times is better than someone who votes 0/10 times. We have to keep trying to unseat them as well while building our bench, but restoring sanity to the country is going to be a long and arduous process, and will take a lot of tiny cuts/steps/leaps towards progress. Also, it's Republican money and resources going into these cuts -- we still have our own respective money and resources to send the messages we want to and to keep pushing the Overton window leftward. These ads don't exist in a vacuum.
I'm gonna be real annoyed if the only response is some version of "mod dems and mod repubs are the same"
I'll cross that bridge once we get there. seriously. Nothing else matters to me and the people I care about.
I feel like this is proof that the rebranding campaign is working.
So you're taking your completely wrong statement on Biden's relationship with Bernie that you were called out on..to then turn it around for another Biden attack.
People..this is not subtle at all
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