I played through a good chunk of the original game but still a good ways from completing it. I think this time I will be going with normal controllers and see how that works.
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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword HD - Overview Trailer
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I'll take Ueda-esque minimalism over the high school anime garbage that was SS's storytelling. Especially if it's being executed by Nintendo. They are the undisputed masters of gameplay, not so much storytelling.
Same. The first battle against it is whatever, but it just becomes unfathomably worse every time they make you repeat it. Someone high up on the Nintendo totem pole must have been very impressed with the Imprisoned because I can't rationalize those boss battles any other way.
Finally watched the trailer. Took me back and can't wait to replay it again. Played through the game twice already and my daughter was an infant when I went through a Hero Mode run. Now she's 8, loves BotW, and am eager to see how she reacts to this game!
Looks like they're doing some sort of AI upscaling on the textures:
Wii HD (Dolphin)
Switch HD
The shadow filtering is also good.
They seem to have done a good job cleaning up the visuals so that the assets look more appropriate in HD.
Original Wii reference:
Wii HD (Dolphin)
Switch HD
The shadow filtering is also good.
They seem to have done a good job cleaning up the visuals so that the assets look more appropriate in HD.
Original Wii reference:
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Develop it in-house and experiment with lighting and shitz.
What makes you think that it's using AI upscaling specifically?Looks like they're doing some sort of AI upscaling on the textures:
Wii HD (Dolphin)
Switch HD
The shadow filtering is also good.
They seem to have done a good job cleaning up the visuals so that the assets look more appropriate in HD.
To be fair, Super Mario 3D World is an amazing game that I wouldn't' begrudge anyone choosing over any other game.
I finished and loved it on WiiU and can't wait to replay it and experience the DLC content.
Typical smoothened artifacts that slightly distort the final result to something more painted instead of merely upscaled pixels. Those textures have detail that wasn't there before.
(we can already see what traditional upscaling of the textures look like in the Dolphin shot)
Wind Waker HD didn't get any graphical upgrades besides new lighting as far as I'm aware. It's just that the art style ages so we'll and it looked much much better with that new lighting.
Twilight Princess got new textures and new lighting. It always kinda bums me out when I see people talk about this game because if you look at the two side by side and even include modded Dolphin versions TPHD looks SO much better. I think it's just that realistic art style doesn't age as well.
SSHD appears to have neither of those enhancements. It looks to me like it's the same game but running at 1080p/60fps
Wind Waker HD uses completely new lighting system with some redone assets whereas this (from what I understand) is mostly just a direct port, graphically speaking.
Look at these screenshots and still tell me if you think that. It's not an exception either, all of the footage is this clean.
Looks like they're doing some sort of AI upscaling on the textures:
Wii HD (Dolphin)
Switch HD
The shadow filtering is also good.
They seem to have done a good job cleaning up the visuals so that the assets look more appropriate in HD.
Original Wii reference:
Wind Waker got new textures and it was a decent upgrade. The lightning was a mixed bag. The bloom was overpowering and there were times where the characters looked like they were made out of clay in some scenes.
I think Syward Sword was in less need of the enhancements though, especially compared to Twilight Princess. It's more similar to Wind Waker than Twilight Princess in terms of shading and leaning more towards cartoony than realistic. There weren't really a lot of textures that needed reworked either since they were built with that style in mind. I'm in the camp that thinks WW HD would have benefitted more from a simple up res like this than the more extensive lighting changes we ended up seeing.
WWHD added global illumination, SSAO, environment shadows with proper skylighting, atmospheric bloom/haze, and other visual flourishes. It definitely had the most significant visual changes out of the Zelda remasters.
Oh it looks really clean don't get me wrong, but it should be. It's HD, instead of 480. But is that not just because it's rendering it higher resolution?
Oh it was a great upgrade don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to say it was a bad remaster or anything. All I was saying imo TPHD looks like it got more work and again imo looks better.
My biggest complaint was the frame rate. Bombs and explosions kinda tanked it.
That's what I used to think too, but somebody showed me some dolphin mods that changed my mind. Dunno where to find them now, but even seeing SSHD i don't really think it looks great. I think that art style worked well when it was blurrier, but seeing it sharp and crisp it looks weird to me. Could just be that I'm used to seeing the Wii version though.
The whole point of me posting the Dolphin shot was so that it would be clear that the new resolved texture detail is not just from the game being rendered in HD. In the Dolphin shot, all of the textures are still blurry, in the Switch shot, not only are the textures sharper, they have more detail.
The game is not a straight port, graphically or otherwise. I understand that the visuals may not have a enough visual enhancement for some people and that's ok. My only point is that they did bother to make sure the assets looked better in HD.
I mean talk all the shit you want about SS compared to BotW but SS dungeons and boss fights shits on BotW from great heights. BotW is a lot of fun to mess around in the world but it's the only Zelda I've never bothered to replay because the actual content of going through the "main" game is painfully dull compared to almost any other Zelda. It's why I'm hoping the sequel gets things right in that regard because that will make it the best Zelda easily.
Game looks fantastic. Always loved the impressionistic style and glad to see it translated well. The upgraded textures hold the style well.
And I see people refer to watercolor a lot when it comes to this games style, but that's not what most impressionism did. It was oil on a light canvas, not a dark one like many academic artists did at the time. That's part of what gives those paintings a lighter quality.
It's a technique focused on the quality of light and how it affects atmosphere. So yes yellow is going to be prominent, especially with how Nintendo likes to set a scene.
I especially love the work they did in Faron Woods. It's beautifully vibrant area that plays with color so well, smart placement of complementary color makes it pop so much.
Getting real excited to replay this game again.
And I see people refer to watercolor a lot when it comes to this games style, but that's not what most impressionism did. It was oil on a light canvas, not a dark one like many academic artists did at the time. That's part of what gives those paintings a lighter quality.
It's a technique focused on the quality of light and how it affects atmosphere. So yes yellow is going to be prominent, especially with how Nintendo likes to set a scene.
I especially love the work they did in Faron Woods. It's beautifully vibrant area that plays with color so well, smart placement of complementary color makes it pop so much.
Getting real excited to replay this game again.
I've never been super good at seeing crazy differences in graphics. Like it looks sharper and cleaner for sure, but I don't see any new texture. It just looks how that asset would have originally looked in HD to me.
I'm also not really saying any of this to come at the game lol. I will probably enjoy 60fps over any visual upgrades we could have gotten.
At some point in BotW shrines were more of a time sink because the "puzzles" we pathetically easy and the reward in the chests were always awful compared to what you were carrying... That said some of the bosses in SS aren't great either.
First time players are in for a shock going from the rollercoaster of BOTW to this Frozen-themed birthday party bounce house.
I seriously do not get the vitriol for this game. Excellent dungeons, bosses, and music; interesting and dense regions that almost play like their own lite dungeons; fleshed out characters and narrative for a Zelda game; and a relatively timeless art style.
I personally greatly enjoyed the motion controls (they are a core element of every aspect of the game), but even if you want to they aren't your cup of tea, you now have options. Yeah, there are some filler moments towards the end, but it's largely an excellent Zelda game.
I personally greatly enjoyed the motion controls (they are a core element of every aspect of the game), but even if you want to they aren't your cup of tea, you now have options. Yeah, there are some filler moments towards the end, but it's largely an excellent Zelda game.
Im sure they'll reveal it along with the Switch Pro since the changes will be exclusive to it.
Twilight Princess HD scored an 86, down from the 95 the original game got, and I honestly see Skyward sword having a similar score level drop, from the 93 the original got to somewhere in the 80-85 range.
I'd go with 82 myself. I feel that's being a bit generous as well. That's the score that the Super Mario 3D All Stars Collection got last year. And that collection had Super Mario Galaxy on it which holds up a lot better than Skyward Sword does (Plus Sunshine and 64 on top of that as well).
So outside of the controls and the UX, which is hopefully being addressed, why is this game so divisive? What's wrong with it, gameplay-wise? I've heard about the Imprisoned, but I know it's more than that.
The game has 3 main areas which see a lot of re-use. There's also quite a bit of padding, often in the form of fetch quests or contrived roadblocks that bloat the game to it's 40-50 hour playtime. The handholding in the original release was excessive and coupled with the game's story-heavy approach it can really drag on at times (it takes roughly 1-2 hours to get the first dungeon as an example).
The Imprisoned is a boss you fight several times throughout the game, with changes added on each time. The fights themselves are spaced out throughout the game though and I never really had a problem with it.
Those are the common criticisms. I think the game is still overall great with some of the best dungeons in the series, generally great level design, creative gameplay mechanics, and a fantastic soundtrack. It's not an exploration-heavy Zelda game but it's still something worth playing.
The overworld isn't connected, Fi can be annoying, filler shit, almost nothing to the sky.
Repetitive boss fights.
Pop up messages always showing up.
Fi
Stamina bar is annoying
Repetivie soul quests.
In terms of the gameplay, not much is 'wrong' per se. It's a tried-and-true 'traditional' 3D Zelda (have you played one of those to know what that means?), the issues really all stem from the padding and backtracking and rehashing that you do throughout the game. There are 3 main areas that expand on each visit (you visist each of them on 3 distinct occasions) and 8 I think full dungeons, plenty by 3D Zelda standards, yet the game feels distinctly threadbare and somewhat rushed even with all that consdiered, especially if you remove the more ergregious examples of said padding-the most stark examples of these being having to re-visit the first dungeon halfway through the game, the final time you go to each main area not really expnading upon the gameplay/mechanics/story in any meaningful way and of course having to fight The Imprisoned 3 times.
So yeah there you go, and this is all coming from someone who really likes the game. The dungeons? Great! The music? Great! The combat? Great! The rest of the content that isn't the 10-20% of the game that feels like padding? Great!
Apart from what everyone said, the pacing is tremendously bad.
And the worlds you traverse to beneath the clouds have the tendency to feel like Mario levels rather than Zelda levels, which, to me, defeats the whole purpose of having two different brands of game design in the first place for 3D worlds. This sort of thing was talked about a lot back in the day.
That all doesn't sound too bad. I don't mind fighting the same boss if something about it changes. Zelda always had some amount of fetch quests or another, so that doesn't bother me as much, as long as I can skip it.
Oof, idk why I had such a visceral reaction to revisiting dungeons. I'm personally not the biggest fan of 3D zeldas, so kind of waffling on this one. On one hand, I've heard so much about the bosses and I want to know about the whole Demise thing. OTOH... youtube?
at no point did I ever suggest anything of the sort beyond what I said there?!?!
no, they added modern (dynamic) lighting effects.
it's a great game so it's absolutely deserved that it gets another spot in the limelight with some improvements.
It would be bad form to respond with nothing but a laughing emoji, but...
Well, at least there isn't that horrible WWHD bloom.
...then use this:
Loved this game a lot when it was released. I remember the interviews saying that they were going for an "impressionist" look. My only gripe was having to backtrack in a way that wasn't fun, and the swimming parts. Other than that - super fun game, LOVED the motion controls, and the final battle was fun (even if I wasn't a fan of the whole "demise" thing story wise).
Did you watch the trailer that this thread is about which explains this in detail before posting this?
They don't. That's the art style.
the Silent Realm _is_ really cool.
Really looking forward to this one. Didn't get to finish it on Wii due to my Wii having trouble reading the disc, but really liked what I played.
Seeing Zelda falling down from the sky like that, I'm beginning to wonder if you explore the sky world as Link and the underworld as Zelda. It would be a good way to finally give players the playable Zelda they've been craving (and no, Spirit Tracks from two years ago doesn't count). It's obvious something's up with the underworld. Zelda could potentially send pieces of it skyward -- hence the title? -- for Link to explore.
Hoping Nintendo saw the demand for the joycons months ago and we get a new shipment close to launch. :( They have been sold out since they went up I believe.
Man I hope we get the GC version of WW in 4K someday. WW OG looks so much better than WW HD.