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Oct 25, 2017
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"By the way, there are further power-ups beyond your last"
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Oct 25, 2017
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"Haha! Ultra Instinct?! I can defeat that without even breaking a sweat!"

*Goku Unlocks Super Ultra Instinct*

"NANI!?"
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope it's not Uub. Uub sucks.
So very recently Uub provided Goku with a "ridiculous" amount of Divine Ki when Goku was exhausted, enough for him to tap into Ultra Instinct again.

It's a strong possibility that Uub could learn ultra instinct because he's a divine being created from all the divine ki of the Grand Supreme Kai. Uub has insane pontential. He has barely had any characterization in super but on the surface he's ripe to become a stupid strong hero.
 
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Maligna

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Firstly we get the setup that something is coming.

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Secondly we get confirmation that angels are always using UI, To a much higher degree that Goku being able to seemingly counter him and land hits without effort.

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It seems to be that much like Super Saiyan God a few years back that UI is going to become a base level power up that gets itterated and evolved upon.

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Then we get the HUGE reveal that other techniques exists aside from UI, Vegeta is much more interested in learning these which sets up something the ToP teased with Super Saiyan God SS Evolved and that is Goku and Vegeta both becoming stronger but down different paths. Maybe they will eventually converge again but for now it seems that Vegeta is going to become stronger in a much different way. Maybe something to do with Hakai

Outside of these events we are introduced to a new faction of pirate esq traders and infomation brokers "The Heeters"

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Their true goals unknown but the employ mercenaries to obtain items for them and they eventually want Zuno a god like entity introduced in DBS who knows essentially every single thing in the multiverse.

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Then we have Granolah a merc working for hire doing jobs for The Heeters who is absurdly powerful and casually one shots an army of artifical life forms whom just a single member of proved to be a big threat last arc. He hates the saiyans because when working for Freeza they destroyed his planet and people. His race are known marksmen but he is exceptional even by their standards.

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Finally we end with word the sleeping oracle fish telling us the balance of power in universe 7 is shifting and a new strongest warrior will rise up. I think the intended idea is that we all this this is Granolah but it's a swerve. I wouldn't be shocked to see this be Uub who last arc made an apperance and displayed incredible power.

This to me at least feels like a really strong intro to the next arc and sets up a lot. I was kind of meh on most of the Moro arc prior but I'm really looking forward to what goes on here.


https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008330

Full chapters available here officially for free at launch.

I can read all of DBS for free!? How is this profitable for them?
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I can read all of DBS for free!? How is this profitable for them?
You can read the new chapters, the cycle an older chapter out when one comes in. It's an effort to combat piracy. They make most of their money from merch and licensing and people buy the volumes when they hit retail.
 

Fj0823

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know the Toyotaro cycle is a thing, but this chapter was simply fantastic and the revelations were GREAT
 

crimsonECHIDNA

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Oct 25, 2017
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"By the way, there are further power-ups beyond your last"
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So let me spell out the rest of the arc for you.

Super powerful foe shows up on Earth and beats up Gohan, Piccolo and the rest. In this case, apparently mostly Freeza
Goku gets sidetracked or beaten
Vegeta unlocks new form and start beating opponent
Opponent finds sudden power-up, probably by absorbing something else
Vegeta gets beaten
Goku unlocks new power, beats opponent, doesn't finish him off
Opponent powers up again
Goku still beats opponent.

Add in a bunch of flashbacks of how Vegeta is totally a changed person now who loves his family.
 

NeonZ

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Oct 28, 2017
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Strongest warrior in the universe...I thought that was Broly. Still, I hope this arc brings him back. Not utilizing him feels like a waste.

I think Broly will mostly continue sidelined because if he had a bigger presence he'd basically replace Vegeta as the co-lead.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Broly will mostly continue sidelined because if he had a bigger presence he'd basically replace Vegeta as the co-lead.

There's a few options

Either
He's used as a "Green Ranger" style addition to the team who comes to help in times of need but doesn't really follow the ideals
He is being reserved for a second movie
He joins the z fighters and the cast expands into a trio lead of Broly, Vegeta and Goku.
He is ignored forever
 

ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a few options

Either
He's used as a "Green Ranger" style addition to the team who comes to help in times of need but doesn't really follow the ideals
He is being reserved for a second movie
He joins the z fighters and the cast expands into a trio lead of Broly, Vegeta and Goku.
He is ignored forever
Having more than 2 leads is already something Super has played with a few times, so Broly joining on doesn't really seem like an issue to me.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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So very recently Uub provided Goku with a "ridiculous" amount of Divine Ki when Goku was exhausted, enough for him to tap into Ultra Instinct again.

It's a strong possibility that Uub could learn ultra instinct because he's a divine being created from all the divine ki of the Grand Supreme Kai. Uub has insane pontential. He has barely had any characterization in super but on the surface he's ripe to become a stupid strong hero.
Wait what

Is the manga past End of Z?
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait what

Is the manga past End of Z?

We truly cannot be far off now. End of Z is just going to have to end up being ruled non canon sooner or later tbh. It's a mess and super has already made it clear it can't exist. The ONLY way it remains canon now is if everything we have seen in super takes place in the same year and Goku leaves everyone for the next 5 years.
 

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Nov 1, 2017
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We truly cannot be far off now. End of Z is just going to have to end up being ruled non canon sooner or later tbh. It's a mess and super has already made it clear it can't exist. The ONLY way it remains canon now is if everything we have seen in super takes place in the same year and Goku leaves everyone for the next 5 years.
Alternatively, Goku leaves with Uub intending to be gone for a long time, but something happens shortly after that changes those plans.
 

ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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We truly cannot be far off now. End of Z is just going to have to end up being ruled non canon sooner or later tbh. It's a mess and super has already made it clear it can't exist. The ONLY way it remains canon now is if everything we have seen in super takes place in the same year and Goku leaves everyone for the next 5 years.
The 5 year thing is the only thing that doesn't fit and that's easy to retcon. Uub being given divine energy recontextualizes Goku's excitement in a world where DBS exists.
 

JahIthBer

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Jan 27, 2018
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It's hard to think Granolah can be the strongest warrior in the universe without stealing powers/taking over a body like Baby does, Meerus would be a prime candidate & even has the white hair like Baby did, that's if they really want to remake GT's best arc.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a few options

Either
He's used as a "Green Ranger" style addition to the team who comes to help in times of need but doesn't really follow the ideals
He is being reserved for a second movie
He joins the z fighters and the cast expands into a trio lead of Broly, Vegeta and Goku.
He is ignored forever
Green Ranger or only showing up in movies are fine with me. If Broly joins the z fighters permanently he will get beaten with the nerf stick. I don't want to see him get whomped every fight to show how powerful the new enemy is before Goku fights them.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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We're in the good phase of a new DB arc, give it like ~10 chapters before things go to shit.

I dunno about 10 chapters but otherwise this is correct — a whole lot of potential that gets squandered by needing to fit the usual DB tropes.

Green Ranger or only showing up in movies are fine with me. If Broly joins the z fighters permanently he will get beaten with the nerf stick. I don't want to see him get whomped every fight to show how powerful the new enemy is before Goku fights them.

It would be a significant waste for them to reuse Broly frequently. Count me in with the group that would rather see him green ranger'd / saved for a movie.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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The 5 year thing is the only thing that doesn't fit and that's easy to retcon. Uub being given divine energy recontextualizes Goku's excitement in a world where DBS exists.

Trunks and Goten got a lot of growing to do.

The timeline is an actual mess at this point and if the want End of Z to stay they are probably going to either drastically age up certain cast members of change the date of the 28th world tournament.

BoG is 4 years post Buu
Dragon balls are used by Goku in BoG (Year 4)
Dragon balls are used again by Sorbet in Golden Frieza Saga (Year 5)
Super Dragon balls are used by Whis the in Universe 6 Saga Saga (Year 6)
Dragon Balls are used again by Android 17 as the winner of the ToP (Year 7)

So that's like.. 3-4 years left

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ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trunks and Goten got a lot of growing to do.

The timeline is an actual mess at this point and if the want End of Z to stay they are probably going to either drastically age up certain cast members of change the date of the 28th world tournament.

BoG is 4 years post Buu
Dragon balls are used by Goku in BoG (Year 4)
Dragon balls are used again by Sorbet in Golden Frieza Saga (Year 5)
Super Dragon balls are used by Whis the in Universe 6 Saga Saga (Year 6)
Dragon Balls are used again by Android 17 as the winner of the ToP (Year 7)

So that's like.. 3-4 years left

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BoG is Age 778
F, Champa and Future Trunks are Age 779
US arc, Broly, GPP arc and Granolah are all Age 780, with the last 2 potentially going into 781.
EoZ is Age 784.
Goten and Trunks not being aged up yet is a non issue, they have Saiyan blood and could grow rapidly in a short period.
Uub looks pretty normal for a 6/7 year old.
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So let me spell out the rest of the arc for you.

Super powerful foe shows up on Earth and beats up Gohan, Piccolo and the rest. In this case, apparently mostly Freeza
Goku gets sidetracked or beaten
Vegeta unlocks new form and start beating opponent
Opponent finds sudden power-up, probably by absorbing something else
Vegeta gets beaten
Goku unlocks new power, beats opponent, doesn't finish him off
Opponent powers up again
Goku still beats opponent.
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Oct 25, 2017
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BoG is Age 778
F, Champa and Future Trunks are Age 779
US arc, Broly, GPP arc and Granolah are all Age 780, with the last 2 potentially going into 781.
EoZ is Age 784.
Goten and Trunks not being aged up yet is a non issue, they have Saiyan blood and could grow rapidly in a short period.
Uub looks pretty normal for a 6/7 year old.
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Where as those dates from?
 

ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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Where as those dates from?
778 and 789 were advertised dates for BoG and F, Champa and Future Trunks were stated to be the same year as F in Xenoverse 2, the ToP takes place 1 year after Champa, Broly happens very shortly after that and Moro happens immediately after Broly.
Bra was also previously stated to be born in age 780.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I've seen some speculation that Granolahs design looks ripe for a transformation and I absolutely see it too.

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Lord Vatek

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Jan 18, 2018
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BoG is Age 778
F, Champa and Future Trunks are Age 779
US arc, Broly, GPP arc and Granolah are all Age 780, with the last 2 potentially going into 781.
EoZ is Age 784.
Goten and Trunks not being aged up yet is a non issue, they have Saiyan blood and could grow rapidly in a short period.
Uub looks pretty normal for a 6/7 year old.
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Honestly the worst part of the timeline is the fact that History of Trunks is now non-canon because that was 780 and Trunks doesn't look like he did then.
 

Lord Azrael

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly the worst part of the timeline is the fact that History of Trunks is now non-canon because that was 780 and Trunks doesn't look like he did then.
Don't give up hope!!! We can just rationalize that by saying the art style changed or that the concept is still canon even if that specific depiction isn't (i.e. Bardock situation)
 

Skyebaron

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Oct 28, 2017
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You mean they gotta continue the cashflow by extending the power dynamics to bullshit levels? This was not a revelation, it was an excuse to continue the series. Its so fucking shit, If i were not a DB fanboy I wouldve quitted long ago.
 

Doukou

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Oct 25, 2017
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Blue was Goku's top form for 3 stories in a row as well as in Broly and UI is what Goku's been working towards since 2015 and he's only just now learned how to use it at will, but he uses it worse than all the angels. They aren't replacing UI yet, at most he might get a tweaked powered up version of it like how Blue got a "Mastered" version in the manga that the only visual difference was the lack of an aura.
Or they do exactly what they did with blue and just stick another thing on top of it in order to create a 'powe-up'

Beerus Story- Sayian God
Revival Of F- Sayian god + Super Sayian
U6- SSB+ Kaio Ken
Black- SSB + fusion
Broly - SSB + other fusion
 

Maligna

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really hope we can get a sequel or prequel series where we can kind of reset power levels to something more... Humble?