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shoemasta

The Wise Ones
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Oct 28, 2017
3,024
I think a big first step for the show would be to move more trailers into the pre-show and stop giving out the awards in the pre-show and offscreen (not sure if they did the offscreen thing this year, but I know it happened in previous years). Also, tone down the rapid fire award stuff because it feels like they are doing it "to keep up the pretense of an award show" and then rushing back to trailers; it reminds me of a kid complaining and then scarfing down their vegetables so they can get to desert.
Definitely. I'm actually surprised they rushed through a few of the awards again since that seemed to be a big criticism of the last years shows.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Spoiler thread(s) had plenty of intelligent, respectful discussions on it for months.
We discuss what some call the short comings a fair amount in the spoiler thread.
But most other threads end up a certain way because of BS on both sides.
I feel like there's this weird sentiment among some where they essentially assume the gameplay in any Western, high budget, cinematic and narrative heavy game is automatically poor, even though as yourself and others have mentioned, some of these games have class leading or top tier gameplay and systems. It's like they can't see past the production values lol.




There's been plenty of thoughtful, mature and detailed discourse about the game on these forums. There will however always be hot takes, that's just the nature of online discourse.
True True! I should have clarified more. I peeked into the Spoiler thread earlier this week, and it was great. Lots of discussion on which parts landed and didn't for different users. I feel like when the discussion is considered "within the community" it's very civil.

But when you get more public threads like these.... yeesh.

And yea, as wbloop said, I feel like 4chan just poisoned the fucking well on some of these games/movies/tv shows. It really fucking sucks.
 

Mecha

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,479
Honduras
Definitely. I'm actually surprised they rushed through a few of the awards again since that seemed to be a big criticism of the last years shows.
Keighley really needs to learn to say no to some stuff, the show was packed so I think they felt the need to rush in every segment. There was definitely stuff that didn't need to be there but they need to pay the bills I guess.
 

FTF

Member
Oct 28, 2017
28,365
New York
Well deserved and it's my goty as well!

Well deserved
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Wow I hadn't seen that before, love it.



Nice didn't know that, very impressive!
 
Jan 11, 2018
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Why are we using semantics when we know fully well what the title means...? This is reminding me of discussions over what MVP means in sports.

The rest of your argument isn't really relevant. And again, stop using a fucking pandemic as support for an argument on why a video game deserves an award.

It's my opinion, and an opinion held by others as well. No need to be so dismissive and hostile just because you don't agree.
 

FuturusX

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,746
I have a huge backlog, but I wonder why the game is so polarizing. Hmmm. Well done to the team.
 

Fezan

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,274
Really weird response here. It was one of the best games of the year but it shouldn't have won because 2020 sucks? Or because there are crunch culture?

So you want to dismiss People's work which they worked so hard for our just because it's showing some realities of world?
 

Seesaw15

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,811
nope it won't and we know why discourse around it will never get solved just like last jedi and captain marvel before it,
Point me to anyone defending Captain Marvel as an unimpeachable work of art in 2020. People/critics were able to comment on the toxic context around the film while also pointing out that it was a messy origin story that didn't have a good handle of the character yet.

These straw men people make up that imply the only reason people defend TLJ or TLOU 2 is to virtue signal are so weird.
 

Kamek

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,976
Not only was the story amazing, but the gameplay was so clean. It's deserved.

FF7
TLOU2
AC:NH

Were the games I had the most fun with this year - but I completed 6 Yakuza games this year, and I'm waiting for 7 to go on sale - super hyped for it. Gotta make my way through 0 after Demon's souls
 

nevercomehome

Member
Oct 25, 2017
390
Well deserved. Great gameplay with probably one of the best written stories in the medium. Hopefully Neil can get ND to not crunch their workers tho.
 

SAINT_

Banned
Oct 4, 2020
460

How do you think ND handle trans representation in this game? I know a lot of people felt Lev was nothing more than a trans misery porn character...had to kill his moms, watched his sister die a terrible death, gets dead named. Curious to know your thoughts.
i apologize if this is considered a derail.
 

Hikari

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,687
Elysium
It was by far the very best game this year. Did anyone even expect anything else? lol. Remake was my game of the year but since it is part 1 there's no way I would say it is better than Last of us part 2.
 

AnimaRize

Banned
Nov 7, 2020
3,483
Point me to anyone defending Captain Marvel as an unimpeachable work of art in 2020. People/critics were able to comment on the toxic context around the film while also pointing out that it was a messy origin story that didn't have a good handle of the character yet.

These straw men people make up that imply the only reason people defend TLJ or TLOU 2 is to virtue signal are so weird.
it's not just that but it does make it hard when one of the sides is filled with incels, homophobes, and misogynist, so people in turn go extra hard in defending it.
 

Rozart

Member
Oct 28, 2017
874
It is legitimately bewildering whenever I see people act like the game didn't have amazing gameplay, movie my ass

Preach. TLOU2's gameplay is top tier stuff.

There was a particular section of the game that crushed me enough emotionally that I didn't want to play it through but the fantastic gameplay kept reeling me in.

And I'm glad I did push through. Great gameplay. Great story.
 

HeroR

Banned
Dec 10, 2017
7,450
Right obviously, im just throwing a dumb answer out to this already insane logic they are presenting.

While the poster does go too far, it does say something that a game that became a culture phenomena to the point that it broke sell records worldwide, people have talk shows in it and company used it for business, and it get hosted on stuff like the Daily Show as the best tech of 2020, it comes across as dismissive to compare it to Among Us that didn't have half that reach.

And honestly, Among Us would qualified if it came out this year for what it has done.
 

Rats

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,111
Definitely the best game I played this year. I wish I could say that about FF7R but they didn't quite stick the landing.
 

Kyuuji

The Favonius Fox
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Nov 8, 2017
32,047
How do you think ND handle trans representation in this game?
That's a pretty deep question for 4:15am lol. Having people suggest the only reason people wanted it to win was to spite 4Chan is pretty shitty though. It was one of the main pillars around me finally accepting my trans identity and self, and moving toward transition. Funnily enough not in Lev, but the validation found through Ellie and Dina's relationship, and Abby as a woman that defied traditional views of femininity. As a consequence the game means a sincere amount on a personal level, in addition to being a great game in general. On the topic of Lev I'll say I don't think it was dire as others found it, but I'd have stopped at the single deadname instance and not had the whole mother bit. There's a lot more between those lines but that's the general bullets around the aspects I wasn't fond of. I think having something akin to the Dino museum where he explores a more joyful past section expanding and touching on his identity would have worked wonders to complement.
 

HeroR

Banned
Dec 10, 2017
7,450
The fact that this game broke so many people, and not just alt-right/GG types, is just fascinating to me.

Like, people even in this thread are acting like ND actually assaulted his employees or something. Just drove some people truly mad.

No other game was more impactful in 2020 than TLOU2, in good ways and in bad. It's far and away one of the most important games of all time.

In a gamers way, I guess. In the minds of culture, Animal Crossing beats it by a landslide.
 
Aug 9, 2018
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But in the year 2020 there was better games, it was the one time to show that big budget movie like games aren't the instant win. That the year of release actually meant something.

Animal Crossings was the game that brought people together while hundreds of thousands died. Think about that.
More critics enjoyed it, not more people

jesus Christ are we going to forget what we were doing in March? It's a game that brought people together during a time no one in my lifetime ever experienced. That has to be accounted for.
You felt that AC was the better game, others didn't, that's all there is to it. You can prop up AC without belittling TLOU2s accomplishments.
 

HeroR

Banned
Dec 10, 2017
7,450
Sure, TGAs isn't the Oscars and there is definitely work to be done. But considering the Oscars is put out by a rich and established community and committee of the film industry and TGAs is pretty much just Geoff, I understand if TGAs isn't on the level of the Oscars.

I'm looking forward to seeing the show evolve and grow.

The Oscars are horrible too and even more snubbish. Like animation pictures can't even be nominated for Best Film of the Year. Instead, it's put in the ghetto Best Animated Film.
 

nevercomehome

Member
Oct 25, 2017
390
How do you think ND handle trans representation in this game? I know a lot of people felt Lev was nothing more than a trans misery porn character...had to kill his moms, watched his sister die a terrible death, gets dead named. Curious to know your thoughts.
i apologize if this is considered a derail.

I think there will never be a definitive answer to this.

I've seen trans friends praise ND for not only having Lev but also for giving him a strong arc that resonated with them. I've seen trans friends be indifferent towards LOU2 because they don't really have the desire to see trans characters go through the misery that they usually go through when the mainstream media has a trans character.
 

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
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Oct 28, 2017
18,498
There's really people in here stanning for Animal Crossing not for its gameplay and/or mechanical depth, but because of its...popularity lol.

So the most popular and culturally relevant game should win every year? Call of Duty or FIFA the winners every year confirmed. Well, outside of the odd zeitgeist games like Fortnite, Fall Guys, Among Us, Minecraft, Roblox etc.
 

HeroR

Banned
Dec 10, 2017
7,450
There's really people in here stanning for Animal Crossing not for its gameplay and mechanical depth, but because of its...popularity lol.

So the most popular and culturally relevant game should win every year? Call of Duty or FIFA the winners every year confirmed. Well, outside of the odd zeitgeist games like Fortnite, Fall Guys, Among Us, Minecraft, Roblox etc.

Outside of Fall Guys, none of those games came out this year so why do they keep being mentioned? And Fall Guys kinds fall off the map after a few months so the comparison to Animal Crossing is also very shallow.

Also, we're not really talking about popularity so much about how the game actually helped people on an emotional level during a horrible time in their lives, which isn't the same as COD or Fifa being popular. It also did have good gameplay and mechanics despite its flaws given it has one of the highest MC scores for those who care.
 

silva1991

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Oct 26, 2017
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If you ran out of salt and want some, take a look at the dislikes and the comments


so much salt for everyone.

But in the year 2020 there was better games, it was the one time to show that big budget movie like games aren't the instant win. That the year of release actually meant something.

Animal Crossings was the game that brought people together while hundreds of thousands died. Think about that.

Why do AC fans love to bring that up ever since GOTY season started. people played other online games during pandemic old and new. That's not that special about AC and it's exclusive so the vast majority of gamers didn't even touch it.
 

Kyuuji

The Favonius Fox
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Nov 8, 2017
32,047
Why do AC fans love to bring that up ever since GOTY season started. people played other online games during pandemic old and new. That's not that special about AC and it's exclusive so the vast majority of gamers didn't even touch it.
Word. I love Animal Crossing but Fortnite and Destiny were the games to bring me together with friends and help provide an anchor through lockdowns. Even through to now.
 

Hu3

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,577
You felt that AC was the better game, others didn't, that's all there is to it. You can prop up AC without belittling TLOU2s accomplishments.

or a better idea yet. They can champion their fucking game without using a body count, or a tragedy to tell how great their game is. Its fucking disgusting.
 

RowdyReverb

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,927
Austin, TX
I just finished my first play through of TLOU Remastered on PS5. Really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to TLOU Part II, but I'm certain that it will be remastered for PS5 in the near future
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
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Oct 25, 2017
41,685
I didn't care for it much outside of the gameplay, but no one can deny its level of details and technical expertise on display. While it's not my GOTY, it certainly is a masterpiece of game design in my book.
 

HeroR

Banned
Dec 10, 2017
7,450
If you ran out of salt and want some, take a look at the dislikes and the comments


so much salt for everyone.



Why do AC fans love to bring that up ever since GOTY season started. people played other online games during pandemic old and new. That's not that special about AC and it's exclusive so the vast majority of gamers didn't even touch it.

The game sold over 26 million before the holiday season and it isn't even a year old. If you look at wikipedia, Animal Crossing is currently number 28 on the best selling games of all time. Of all the arguments, the 'vast majority of gamers didn't touch it' is the weirdest take. Unless you mean 'gamers' as in the hardcore gamers who normally don't play games like Animal Crossing.
 

Mr.fresh

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Oct 31, 2017
689
Congrats I loved the game definitely my favorite of this year and I liked a lot of games this year.
 

Desfrog

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Oct 29, 2017
2,113
Well deserved. Hope Geoff doesn't receive too much abuse from the usual suspects because of this.