You still haven't made single compelling point on why it's juvenile, can you explain your point any better than you have? I am not trying to be mean or reductive to your reasoning, it's just really flimsy at the moment and I fail to see it. If all it is is that it may be a revenge story, and a violent game, I still can't see why that's considered juvenile.
Alright then, tell me exactly what you find juvenile in the three trailers released so far without assuming the story.
I see what we've been shown as juvenile because it presents extreme ultra-violence without giving it the weight that such violence truly needs. When broaching such extreme displays of violence my personal view is that doing so without proper justification is juvenile as it shows that you're doing it for gratuity's sake instead of any thematic purpose. That's not to say being juvenile is bad (many of my favourite pieces of media are juvenile as fuck) but, unlike your DOOMs and your Wolfensteins, it's clear that TLoU:P2
wants to be seen as more than that.
In the E3 demo we see a happy dance scene (which I won't deny being a great scene) followed by minutes of contextless violence that, to me, is purely there so, like in games such as DOOM, we can get excited; it's showing off an animation system much more than it's showing off the game's deep themes. Then there's the PSX trailer which was literally just contextless violence from a cult we don't know against a bunch of characters we don't know; there's no nuance or thematic value there so the only thing one can really get out of it is shock value. The original trailer is very much a teaser, but if we assume the "them" that Ellie is referring to are the cultists we see later on then the trailers taken by themselves show a revenge story with an unrelated bit of ultra-violence in the middle.
I'd rather not go on explaining much more because, really, this is all subjective and practically no-one here has any more information than anyone else. Like I said in the original post I'll be looking forward to these trailers and previews to see if they can show the 'more' that I want to see from the game. I'm here simply because I want the marketing to do what it's generally intended to do: to sell me on this product that I'm curious about.
Except I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm literally para-phrasing what you said.
To quote you.
"If all that's 'justifying' the violence is a story is "X killed Protagonist's Y. Go kill X. Become mad in the process." with nothing more to really add 'depth' to it then, to me, the story will be as juvenile as DOOM"
It's an ND game, of course, there's going to be more depth to it, but that doesn't mean you or others will necessarily appreciate or like what that depth is or entails. Ultimately, if it doesn't matter to you how good the characters, events, writing, emotive quality etc are, and instead the mere fact of it being a basic revenge tale in your opinions automatically means it's as juvenile as DOOM, that's on you.
At the end of the day, a good narrative in any medium is more about the execution than it is the innovation of the narrative itself. Some of the best cinematic or literary works ever coined are not remotely original, but have just been executed incredibly well.
Note how I said "if," multiple times there, something I wouldn't have done had I been judging the final game as you're implying I am. I'm not going to automatically ssume that the characters, events, writing, emotive quality, etc will justify a basic revenge tale in the way you're assuming they will, and I'm not going to pretend that I'd 100% prefer that the story was about something 'more' than revenge because, to me, revenge in its most basic form is rather juvenile.
And I've never said anything about originality so I'm not sure why you're quoting me as doing so. My comparisons to DOOM and Mad Max were thematic and tonal comparisons.
I'm not worried at all. I'm expecting something like the movie "I Saw The Devil".
Whilst I did really like that film I can't exactly say that it was as thematically interesting to me as other revenge films such as Oldboy or The Revenant.
