Stop posting this image in here. It's BS.
The cool thing about the switch in the first game is that it ramped up the narrative tension about whether Joel was alive or dead, and it also gave us a pretty cool story that only made sense if Ellie was the main character and on her own.I usually hate it when narrative driven games switch protagonists, as it's often an immersion killer. Like I didn't enjoy the Ellie section in TLoU1. But with it only happening once and halfway I can essentially treat it as two games in that sense, so no issue.
Yeah for me this is the game, the deep story. I've never been all that impressed by the gameplay and I don't like realistic violence as a game ingredient, what made TLOU one of the best games of last gen was the story and moraly complicated ending, it's an adult story for adult gamers about the darker side of the world and humanity in general.If you don't have anything to say you aren't exactly a good storyteller. Stories that feel like they are puddle deep tend not to resonate. The first game's ending spurred discussion for 7 years. Just this game's marketing and the small tidbits they've shown, the tone, violence, etc. have resulted in three years worth of discussion. If all of that violence had nothing to show for it then this game would really suck. There's also no obligation for you to be a part of the zeitgeist and nitty gritty discussion of the game's themes and execution. You can finish the game and let that be the start and end of it.
"Ellie finds them and is forced to watch as Joel is brutally murdered by Abby beaten to pulp with a golf stick."
I gotta say while I'm keeping an open mind like I said before and I'm fine with Joel dying, I can't say I'm excited for this.
And yet people relate to these characters anyway. It doesn't matter how realistic a world is in a character focused story. If you nitpick, most stories have ridiculous worlds that when directly compared to the real world, stand out as ridiculous.
It's all about empathy and perspective. Abby and Ellie are both villains but neither is.
First game had multiple torture scenes. And yea, you're not supposed to enjoy the violence. It's focus tested to hell and back to make you feel uncomfortable. It's sorta how the first game had a crowd reaction roar and cheer as you shot someone's face off in the demo. This is supposed to have the opposite effect.Call me whatever you'd like, but I absolutely hate this kind of violence.
I don't like watching UFC stuff, either.
I don't remember if the first game had shit like this but if it did, i was probably squinting or closing my eyes.
That's not what happens even in the leaked narrative of this game. You are critiquing a story concept that doesn't exist. 🤷♂️Yes which is... what I say later in the post.
But at some point, the exaggerations are so much that it loses any real connection to be able to say anything except a very narrow and strange point about your own work. "In the universe I personally created, it's impossible for anyone to have a happy ending as they just die brutally because I made everyone a mass killer" I mean... OK, but that's also kind of on you...
Literally the exact same can be said about this game. One of the cutscenes makes it explicit that Ellie could be done with this at any point, we know for a fact that the world isn't filled with people as bad as Joel. etc.Breaking Bad is a very unrealistic and exaggerated show, but the show is about the psychological dynamics of a violent narcissist and the people who make the mistake of going along with him for the money. At many points, Walt and Jesse could have just been done and ended it but Walt wants to move forward even though he knows how that could end and Jesse follows him even though he shouldn't and knows how this could end. Breaking Bad also has a ton of normal people too to show that the world is mostly not populated by Walter Whites.
The majority of people are survivors. The characters at the start of this currently live in a self sustaining society where they have parties, watch movies, and have working water and electricity. Which is certainly far off from a world full of killers. They don't actively go out and shoot people. They defend themselves in a world filled with people desperate enough to hurt others for the sake of their own survival. The first game didn't generate 7 years worth of discussion by having nothing to say or relate to when it came to the human condition.The majority of characters you encounter in the Last of Us are violent killers so... It's hard for me to imagine Naughty Dog puts together a convincing offramp for Ellie and Abby to turn down as everyone just dies horribly in this universe regardless of the choices made. Ellie could have chosen to stay at the farm but then... this world is so violent and horrible they probably die there too in a pretty short time so why not?
It had some gross stuff.Call me whatever you'd like, but I absolutely hate this kind of violence.
I don't like watching UFC stuff, either.
I don't remember if the first game had shit like this but if it did, i was probably squinting or closing my eyes.
Call me whatever you'd like, but I absolutely hate this kind of violence.
I don't like watching UFC stuff, either.
I don't remember if the first game had shit like this but if it did, i was probably squinting or closing my eyes.
I really don't like this. It doesn't sound like enjoyable/fair ending at all. And it would really leave me pissed off.
That's so deep it really isn't anymore.It's all about empathy and perspective. Abby and Ellie are both villains but neither is.
I lean that an anthology of other stories that take place during the same time would have been a better route but it is what it is.
Joel's final line of dialog: "A man chooses, a slave obeys.""Ellie finds them and is forced to watch as Joel is brutally murdered by Abby beaten to pulp with a golf stick."
I gotta say while I'm keeping an open mind like I said before and I'm fine with Joel dying, I can't say I'm excited for this.
Yes which is... what I say later in the post.
But at some point, the exaggerations are so much that it loses any real connection to be able to say anything except a very narrow and strange point about your own work. "In the universe I personally created, it's impossible for anyone to have a happy ending as they just die brutally because I made everyone a mass killer" I mean... OK, but that's also kind of on you...
Breaking Bad is a very unrealistic and exaggerated show, but the show is about the psychological dynamics of a violent narcissist and the people who make the mistake of going along with him for the money. At many points, Walt and Jesse could have just been done and ended it but Walt wants to move forward even though he knows how that could end and Jesse follows him even though he shouldn't and knows how this could end. Breaking Bad also has a ton of normal people too to show that the world is mostly not populated by Walter Whites.
The majority of characters you encounter in the Last of Us are violent killers so... It's hard for me to imagine Naughty Dog puts together a convincing offramp for Ellie and Abby to turn down as everyone just dies horribly in this universe regardless of the choices made. Ellie could have chosen to stay at the farm but then... this world is so violent and horrible they probably die there too in a pretty short time so why not have a lust for revenge.
Looking at the leaked chapter list, it seems like the Abby Vs Ellie fight [that we've seen the leaked video of] is the end of the game, because after that is the Farm cutscene where Ellie says she's going after Abby and then the Santa Barbara epilogue, then the final ending epilogue; so it seems that there is a sequel-bait, cliffhanger ending for a part 3 where Ellie hunts down Abby. It looks like the cut scene of the fight is probably what happens after you finish it - like you get her health down enough and them that's the cut scene that plays to begin the Farm chapter and then the epilogues.
This doesn't sound interesting but then again I found the first game's story underwhelming.
Anyone else remember before RDR2 released everyone was upset because we were playing as a new character and not John?
But then comes the game and Arthur is beloved and lots would rather play as Arthur now.
Anything is possible if the execution is done well, you cant judge something based on the main narrative beats alone, forgetting about the 25+ hours in between it all.
It's from 4chan and it's literally just a summary based on all of the leaked videos. Notice how it has nothing to say about the cult:Where you got this from, if you don't mind me asking?
Sounds very plausible based on footage that leaked, but also could have been custom written to fit what leak enables to be plausible.
If that is overall main arc of the games story... discussions about this game will be interesting.
Ok deep breaths... Deep breathes .... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... No thanks, can't see it being real. Dinah getting Brienne of Tarthed by Ellie (Jamie) is just...
Stop posting this pic. Most of this is piggybacking off of the original leaked vids and is coming to conclusions that aren't confirmed yet.
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First game had multiple torture scenes. And yea, you're not supposed to enjoy the violence. It's focus tested to hell and back to make you feel uncomfortable. It's sorta how the first game had a crowd reaction roar and cheer as you shot someone's face off in the demo. This is supposed to have the opposite effect.
That's not what happens even in the leaked narrative of this game. You are critiquing a story concept that doesn't exist. 🤷♂️
Literally the exact same can be said about this game. One of the cutscenes makes it explicit that Ellie could be done with this at any point, we know for a fact that the world isn't filled with people as bad as Joel. etc.
The majority of people are survivors. The characters at the start of this currently live in a self sustaining society where they have parties, watch movies, and have working water and electricity. Which is certainly far off from a world full of killers. They don't actively go out and shoot people. They defend themselves in a world filled with people desperate enough to hurt others for the sake of their own survival. The first game didn't generate 7 years worth of discussion by having nothing to say or relate to when it came to the human condition.
That specific pic above was literally made a few hours ago and is now being spread around the internet...
I lean that an anthology of other stories that take place during the same time would have been a better route but it is what it is.
Call me whatever you'd like, but I absolutely hate this kind of violence.
I don't like watching UFC stuff, either.
I don't remember if the first game had shit like this but if it did, i was probably squinting or closing my eyes.
If it ends the way that leak says? I think the ending is crappy, but mainly because I feel the game ends before it actually starts, like thus whole game is/was part of a larger story, but Sony got inpatient at waiting for the complete story & force naughty dog to release something for money. I wouldn't pay attention to the whole lev & Abby good guys vs. villain Ellie. Tbh as part 3 will be like part 2 with Abby & Ellie playable & building the story for both... I personally think this game's problem will similar to that of the deus ex prequel trilogy where the game is split up to make a trilogy As opposed to letting the story be fully told. Like I said before: if the whole plays out in Seattle & the cilmax/end pint is the Abby-ellie fight with Ellie still wanting revenge & Abby-lev looking forward fireflys, then it's gonna feel like it's part of a much bigger game over a stand alone experience.This doesn't sound interesting but then again I found the first game's story underwhelming.
With that said, that ending if true is really really bad. Another revenge quest is the most boring thing they could do.
That specific pic above was literally made a few hours ago and is now being spread around the internet...
Like I said, it's piggybacking off of the leaks from yesterday (stuff we know) but conveniently leaves out the stuff we don't know (like what happens in Seattle, what spurs Ellie and Dina to go there in the first place etc.)
I do (i really do).Does anyone actually remember 7 years after the original killing a guy in a white coat for maybe 5 seconds of screen time
You're talking about enemies. In the thick of it you still have Bill, and the two brothers, and Tommy's entire community, represented by he and his wife. David is an outlier, as he's the leader of all the merciless bandits you've been killing. Based on the first game, you'd think the world was filled with violent men only because of hardware restraints. I have no doubts in my mind that we're gonna see a much more realized world. Yes, everyone in this society has reached a point where when it comes down to it, they defend themselves and consider strangers to be a danger. But that's not the focus of the story. The focus is on the characters. Most people don't just consider Joel to be a killer who's way too good at it, they see someone slowly learning to become a father again, willing to do anything to ensure her safety. Anything. Most people don't acknowledge that Ellie is only 14 and has killed at least thirty people, they hear a teenager who acts like a teenager. That's how we absorb stories. What you're essentially saying is that, based on a contextless summary, we can infer that this game will have nothing meaningful to say.The majority of people you interact with in The Last of Us 1 are pedophiles and cannibals and thieves and killers, lol. The game focuses *very* little on showing how many normal people there are as you just go from killing one group of killers to the next group of killers.
I'm very interested in the critical response to the game, since the leaks paint a picture of this game subscribing to The Last Jedi school of subversions. I'm fully expecting the fan response will be extremely negative.
I like the franchise because of the characters so I sincerely thank the leaker for saving me $60.
The writing was on the wall, idk why they gave Druckmann that much freedom.
If only we could get a TLOU2 from Amy Henning and Bruce Straley instead, makes me sad.
I'm very interested in the critical response to the game, since the leaks paint a picture of this game subscribing to The Last Jedi school of subversions. I'm fully expecting the fan response will be extremely negative.
I'm very interested in the critical response to the game, since the leaks paint a picture of this game subscribing to The Last Jedi school of subversions. I'm fully expecting the fan response will be extremely negative.
Exactly lmaoI love how these full plot summaries start showing up, and they all skim over everything except for the already leaked material.
Nah muscles that big do not equal male. She probably takes steroids.She's not trans ffs. Her model is based on a body builder who is 100% female. Muscle doesnt always equal male.