She can't play Joel's guitar ever again, her last connection to him.
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The guitar was one of her last connections to Joel, a connection which was literally and figuratively severed in the final fight.
I'm still all sad about this, but couldn't she switch hands?
Just finished the game (totally unspoiled) and now checking the internet is like wading into a sea of deep shit.
Not gonna do it, gonna read some reviews now but this game was great and the rabble screaming at it is embarrassing.
Not gonna do it, gonna read some reviews now but this game was great and the rabble screaming at it is embarrassing.
The start screen after the credits is their boat on the shore overlooking the round building that the Fireflies on the radio told them to look out for on Catalina Island. They made it
She'd need a new guitar.
She does still have her tattoo, which she had a moth included in, to match the moth on the third fret of the guitar that Joel gave her.
It's safe to discuss it here, and the main TLOU reddit (not the tlou2 one)
I explained my interpretation in others posts so:
Damn I didn't know that was a thing. Jesus that makes it even sadder.
More on that stupid cartoon:
"Oh by the way. Not only does Ellie have no reason to want to hurt Lev, Lev is the one who stopped Abby from killing Dina. In front of Ellie. Lev basically saved Ellie's lover's (and the unborn baby's) life."
"Oh by the way. Not only does Ellie have no reason to want to hurt Lev, Lev is the one who stopped Abby from killing Dina. In front of Ellie. Lev basically saved Ellie's lover's (and the unborn baby's) life."
Oh did he play it already too? I watched his run of pt 1 while I was replaying the first game a few weeks ago. I don't think I'll be watching a full run right now but I will check out some key parts.
I feel stupid for missing this. It feels odd that in the same part of the game, so near the end, they'd have two buildings mentioned that are so similarly styled and designed (one the Rattlers base with the prisoners, the other this Firefly place)... it's just kinda confusing in all honesty. I don't remember the radio call mentioning the building but I remembered that was where Abby was being held. Wonder why they did that. I just thought the new title screen was something to do with that prison and it sort of didn't make much sense as a result.
Edit: Speaking of that title screen, I love the misty one, is there any way to change it back once you complete the game?
I got maybe halfway through a page of metacritic before the homophobic and transphobic shit made me feel bad that I didn't like the story more because
True, but like we mentioned before she can't properly play that guitar anymore because she's only got two fingers to work the frets.She does still have her tattoo, which she had a moth included in, to match the moth on the third fret of the guitar that Joel gave her.
Abby only stopped because Lev was horrified with what she was about to do to Dina. Abby is a great character but shes not any more moral. She also defended killing kids don't forget.
I would recommend Marz and Gab Smolders. I don't know what their reputations are in general. But I have enjoyed watching both of their TLOU playthroughs.
Yeah that gave me pause earlier on. But I think it's actually a callback to what Owen said when he was about to kill that dude who was tired and ready to die. He was just done with all this shit, and so was she.
Sure, my point was that her connection with Joel wasn't completely severed or anything. If anything, her inability to play the guitar anymore is more her inability to play the song Future Days anymore, and whatever you think that that symbolically might mean.
I could have done without the fingers (apparantly you do need more than three Manny..)
Ellie was already broken and just getting to the point of being able to forgive. She'd already lost Dina, possibly Tommy too and of course Joel. Seems a bit harsh to rub it in by not letting her play geetar.
Can you even bite off fingers? Wouldn't you break your teeth?
Ellie was already broken and just getting to the point of being able to forgive. She'd already lost Dina, possibly Tommy too and of course Joel. Seems a bit harsh to rub it in by not letting her play geetar.
Can you even bite off fingers? Wouldn't you break your teeth?
If you have good articles and videos, feel free to post them! Gonna check the thread to see what I've missed. People disagreeing is great, I just don't want to read all the tweets that talk about PC culture gone wrong (or stuff like that comic above).
Carrying the scars of her actions with her always. That's how I took it.
Also, early on in Abby's scenario, someone makes a joke about another character losing two fingers, saying, "All you need is three." Thought Ellie's loss was a little call back to that moment as well.
I think only Tommy knows, I doubt he even told Maria about that shit. Just told her about Ellie's immunity. I think if the secret got out and Joel got killed the village probably would've burned down or looted that mans house and chucked his exposed corpse into a river.
If I had to guess it's symbolizing that she ruined her future
Also this shit got me because this scene mentioned will never not get me
Ellie mentioned only Tommy and Joel knew when she told Dina. And yeah that was what I meant. There is no personal stake required to hate Joel for what he did. Anyone with any sense would probably murder Joel on finding that out.
The Last Of Us really is Ellie's story, so I'm very interested to see how they handle her immunity, and the growth of her character, in the third (and hopefully final) part.
Hmm... Are you sure "lied" is the right term here? If so, what do you mean exactly?
In the Spoilercast, it seemed pretty clear to me that it is his stance about his work that change as the project was evolving and being developed, as it happens quite often to people when creating something. I don't think the intention was to deceive anybody.
I think what I'm learning from the negativity (other than the stuff based on bigotry) is a ton of people didn't understand the story and/or the nuances went over their heads. Yes, some people (rare) understood it and disliked it. But mostly I'm seeing a lot of people who just don't get it.
Honestly I'd rather it follow Abby and Lev. This seems like a good place to leave Ellie. I want my adventures of buff badass and boy with bow dealing with the aftermath of a horrific revenge cycle and I already finished God of War and this so I need a new one.
Joel, Tommy, and Maria knew she was immune, but only Tommy knew what went down at the hospital.
"YOU FUCKING DOOMED US!!!!" *Crack open Joel's head* I actually like that they gave Abby a very personal reason and not just because he fucked up the surgery. The game is all about emotional stakes and costs.
It's a story of deranged, emotionally reactive fools doing dangerous, irrational, destructive things fuelled by uninhibited outrage and impulse pulled from a cyclone of grief and love and regret and hate that is so acidic and toxic that it destroys both themselves and everyone around them.
The story is a pretty fucking rudimentary Empathy: For Beginnings and I'm baffled some people can't see that. The hero worship Joel gets that in the same breath condemns Abby is just so full of hypocrisy and contraction it makes my head spin. These stories aren't even complicated or particularly deep. They're incredibly on the nose with their characters, backgrounds, and narrative arcs.
The story is a pretty fucking rudimentary Empathy: For Beginnings and I'm baffled some people can't see that. The hero worship Joel gets that in the same breath condemns Abby is just so full of hypocrisy and contraction it makes my head spin. These stories aren't even complicated or particularly deep. They're incredibly on the nose with their characters, backgrounds, and narrative arcs.
Not for me. Abby serves a similar purpose to Joel in many ways. I don't see Druckmann leaving Ellie to concentrate on her.
A third game should be about Ellie, but positioned as the older, wiser character this time. That's a very decent character arc.
It makes sense that it'd be Abby doing it, yeah. I do think they went overboard with Nora and her "I FALL ASLEEP EVERY NIGHT TO HIS SCREAMS!"
Also another thing but there are 5 revenge lines in this game. I mentioned before but that seemed excessive.
I say "lied" as an "either or" thing. Because love and hate are themes explored in BOTH games, and hold equal weight when viewed as a complete experience, and that beneath it all - it is a story with a positive message, even if it came at a great cost.
I also use the word 'lied' because Neil has shown time and time again he will deliberately mislead when talking about his game. I for one, has never believed him when he said "Part II is about hate", because I don't believe Neil would develop a sequel that is rooted in a theme that isn't ultimately on a continuation of the core of the first game.
And it's not like the story is any subtle about what it's trying to do either lol
Honestly I went into the Abby section of the game worried about where they were taking the story, and I said as much in the OT.
I'm glad I was wrong and the ending delivered in the end.
If a Part 3 happens,I hope it is all about Ellie finally find her happiness in the end.I liked Abby by the end,but The Last of Us is about Ellie,a stand alone game like Uncharted The Lost Legacy?Why not,otherwise I don't care if we never see her again,or a Part 3 too.
On the nose?
I think you'll find that a lot of people lack noses.
1. Abby wanted her revenge and some stranger pleading her to stop wouldn't change that.
2. This is the only moment i really thought that Abby was a monster deep down. She was going to kill Dina just to hurt Ellie. Lev was the only reason that she stopped. Abby would've killed both with glee in a moment filled with revenge and hurt because of Owns death.
That's fair. It's just a personal thing for me, tbh. They could pull a TWD Season 3 and have us play as someone else who meets Ellie.
The conversation around this game is unreal. Never seen a game like this ever in my life... maybe Mass Effect 3? But that was definitely different.
Not sure if its somewhat related to the current pandemic or what, but yea the opinions are so varied on it, it's really interesting.
I think I came to this realisation when I was reading a bunch of response to the first game and the weird masturbatory hero worship surrounding Joel started cropping up.
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