She thinks it's because of the fireflies and the vaccine thing, she doesn't know that Joel killed her father.
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She thinks it's because of the fireflies and the vaccine thing, she doesn't know that Joel killed her father.
I very strongly did NOT want her to kill Abby, and was at the point where I thought "I've loved every minute of this game, but I'm going to hate the ending if she really kills Abby".
She knows that Abby's crew were ex-Fireflies, so she assumes their motivation is just that Joel doomed humanity and caused the Fireflies to disband. She doesn't know that Joel killed Abby's father.
Yep, otherwise she would have said when Abby came in theater.
Disagree here.
The dynamic between Abby and the scar kids was pretty solid. Very different from Joel and Ellie too.
Now think about why Ellie in particular would have an extra -strong reaction to being told "we let you live, and you wasted it"
Probably got posted in the other thread, but Shawn James (guy who did Through The Valley) sung the Song Ellie writes in her journal throughout the game. Really gets across Ellie's mindset.
I didn't even think about that, look forward to new game plus to pick up on some of this stuff.
That's one of the issue of the ending for me. She never finds out. Abby never tells her, so Ellie never finds out that they are more alike than she thinks.
I think this is why Abby is able to let go before Ellie can.
Honestly I thought it was one of the more impressive scenes in the game. Not just technically, but the maturity with which the subject matter was handled. Although that may say more about the state of video games than the game.
It's fucking sad because tv shows do this all the time & those gamers can pick up on it in those shows, but when it happens in video games, thier is levels drop significantly first bizarre reason.
It will work for people who want to parse the game for story.
Right.
It's like people are missing that Owen is cheating on his pregnant girlfriend.
And Abby was trying to get along with Mel again after they stopped talking after killing Joel.
It's not supposed to be sexy.
If someone decides to play golf with the head of someone you love, you might wanna torture a few people as well. At least I know I would.
For a number of people, empathizing with Abby seems to be nearly impossible as they are so singularly focused on Joel. For the people who were coming to The Last of Us Part 2 in order to receive the second part of the Joel show, this was never going to be a game that could satisfy them. And I am not convinced that the game they wanted would have actually been worth making.
I never grew to love Abby, but I understood her. I was able to feel for her. Her section of the game provided a lot of very interesting context. I said this before, and I will say it again, it seems like you really didn't get what you wanted out of this game, and I'm sorry you are so unhappy with how it turned out. That being said, despite some of the decisions in this game upsetting fans, I don't think any of them are actually indicative of poor storytelling. I think the biggest hurdle for a lot of people was their inability to see past their own desires for what a second The Last of Us game should be.
Jesus, I really need to learn to come up with these questions myself. Thank you.
you guys think once PS5 releases they might create a PS5 branded version of the game (like in a PS5 box/packaging) for those who don't own the game yet and want their first experience to be on the PS5. It would still be the same PS4 game since it's going to be BC from everything I know regarding the PS5. Reason I ask is this might be a way for them to release an Abby Edition collector edition of the game. I would definitely double dip so that I could have the Abby Edition alongside my Ellie Edition. Sucks that they couldn't have released collector editions for both during the actual release since they had to keep Abby's actual role in the game secret throughout.
Anyone else find Ellie's tattoo to be some amazing design? Looks really nice on its own.
I think all Nora tells her is that Joel died for saving her. Nothing about Abby's dad.
I don't know if I'm particularly impressed with it as a sex scene itself, but one cool thing about it is how it's framed from a woman's perspective, which up until now no AAA game has done.
Why publishers refuse games such as Remember Me because of their female protagonists
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When Horizon Zero Dawn came out, people liked Aloy but were kind of wierded out how disinterested she was in romance. Which she was, even though a few other characters seemed ot have a crush on her, and she just kind of ignored it. I don't get the impression she was meant to be aromantic or asexual, it's just a sort of weird thing that she didn't engage with at all. Some people defended that as "Well, she's busy, she has no time for that", but aside from the fact htat comparable game protagonists like Geralt make time for all sorts of fucking around and Aloy herself makes time with random ass challenges in the world while she's supposed to be hunting a massive AI, it kind of reveals that it's just not something devs wanted the player to deal with from a female perspective.
So, here's hoping Ellie and Abby paved the world for Aloy getting some love. (or not, if she's ace, but if so, actually say she's ace then)
A sequel is pretty much guaranteed to involve the Fireflies regrouping, considering what Abby and Lev discover in the story's third act and how post-game the title screen changes to be Abby and Lev's boat docked at Catalina Island. Ellie would be almost guaranteed to show up eventually, but I don't know if the whole game would focus on her.
I'd say one reason is you have a lot of hours of gameplay in between and people take breaks. I mean the game took me 37 hours over about 6 nights to complete. I was being pretty thorough exploring areas but I only had a few moments where I died a few times, but it still took me nearly 40 hours to take all this in. That's like 3 or 4 seasons of something like Game of Thrones.
I think it's reasonable that people forget some key moments and that not absolutely every scene or important line is retained when you're spending so long making your way through. Definitely something you can pick up more and more from in repeat play throughs which is one upside to this I guess.
There's stuff I hadn't really considered until I'd read it here but that's cool to be able to understand it better in reflection and discussion.
I will say I enjoyed the two scar kids quite a bit, but that was more about them than Abby and the other misplaced Fireflies.
She actually isn't because she did kill Joel. She submited herself to revenge.
Ellie realizes that she feels like Joel felt when he killed everyone to save her, that's why she forgives him and that's why she let Abby go because it's the right thing to do to save her own humanity.
Joel needed Ellie to save him, Abby needed Lev, Ellie can only save herself and because of that she let Abby go, it's the only way.
That's how I interpret it, of course.
Another clue is he's using the tactic he teaches Ellie of luring out the infected.
Also, when you get upstairs onto the bridge and if you keep up with Manny you get quick glimpses in the distance that it's Tommy.
Lost legacy wasn't a dlc to be fair.No story dlc it's looking like
The Last of Us Part 2: 'No Plans' for DLC - IGN
Although a multiplayer standalone is seemingly still in the works, Neil Druckmann has 'no plans' for story DLC.www.ign.com
They had a season pass though so they had to deliver something with Uncharted 4. It became LL. No Season Pass for TLOU2. I just think the likelihood is much lower.
I have said before that it didn't really make sense (narratively) to have Joel play a major role in the second game, I think the same would be true of Ellie in the third. Her story feels, essentially, complete. Like, she could show up, but I'm not sure I want to see Ellie as the protagonist again. I think they would be better off shifting their attention to someone else.
Though, I am pretty sure any attempt to make a third game would just have an endless swarm of bad actors disparaging it from the first announcement. If I worked at Naughty Dog I wouldn't want to deal with that shit. Maybe Part 2 should just be the final Last of Us game.
Except that Ellie was slowly but surely losing her sense of self in the process.
Quite a long time passed between her finding out the truth and the current timeline, so you'd think she'd have done that already?
Hopefully the cure wasn't sitting in her left pinky finger. :p
Tlou2 gameplay in multi is going to be a beautiful thing. I hope the fact that its seperate means its meatier and has things like a horde mode that was missing in the original.
This isn't a narrative reason it has to be Ellie, but I talked about this in the last thread too and from a representation point of view I still feel owed the game you get to play through as a lesbian protagonist that they marketed to me.
Hell, half a game with Ellie again will add up to one full game at least.
Hell, half a game with Ellie again will add up to one full game at least.
Thinking about the ending and the final hours of the game, the game story felt flat to me.
I wish the game was only about Abby and Lev, maybe some Ellie/Joel cameo and a lot more focus in the spores infection and how it was originated.
I appreciate some things they did with the character change and some foreshadowing, but the basic plot feels like a generic revenge story and it was impossible to me to care about Ellie as she was only taking bad decisions. The pacing is also inconsistent (Abby Day 1 is a slog), and the overuse of flashbacks is boring, I would prefered it they kept some things to the player to figure out.
Game is also too long, they improved enough on the gameplay which is fine (IA is still awful) but there's a lot of better stealth games. Also too many scripted events: fights, enemy spawn events etc... The Santa Barbara section feel soo unnecessary I wonder who thought it was a good idea to add more content to the game.
Vastly inferior to the first game both as a journey and as a story, the incredible production values and some really smart encounter design are the redeeming qualities of the game, which is a solid 7,5/8 out of 10 for me, and follows the same trend that Uncharted 4 started: too many slow moments and a bad pacing.
I wish the game was only about Abby and Lev, maybe some Ellie/Joel cameo and a lot more focus in the spores infection and how it was originated.
I appreciate some things they did with the character change and some foreshadowing, but the basic plot feels like a generic revenge story and it was impossible to me to care about Ellie as she was only taking bad decisions. The pacing is also inconsistent (Abby Day 1 is a slog), and the overuse of flashbacks is boring, I would prefered it they kept some things to the player to figure out.
Game is also too long, they improved enough on the gameplay which is fine (IA is still awful) but there's a lot of better stealth games. Also too many scripted events: fights, enemy spawn events etc... The Santa Barbara section feel soo unnecessary I wonder who thought it was a good idea to add more content to the game.
Vastly inferior to the first game both as a journey and as a story, the incredible production values and some really smart encounter design are the redeeming qualities of the game, which is a solid 7,5/8 out of 10 for me, and follows the same trend that Uncharted 4 started: too many slow moments and a bad pacing.
Yeah they're not completely done with her. They could have you play as someone else and Ellie could show up at some point. Idk. I am firmly in the camp that Part III should be centered around Ellie completely as sort of a 'Redemption Arc' or a story about finding herself, learning to love/live again.
Either way, I think she needs a conclusive ending.
Ya a little too on the nose, everyone would have the plot figured out before the game released. Personally I hope they don't make a Part III, I didn't want a Part II but I'm glad they managed to give me a game that surpassed my expectation, both games are incredible but please leave it alone. No need to milk the franchise, let ND move on to something new.
I don't think it's only the cure but also the people Joel killed.
From what each of them know and said to each other you can see there really was not much to talk about .
I kinda want a Part 3 so ND can give the broken characters another chance.
I don't think Ellie should sacrifice herself. Her willingness to reconcile with Joel is a sign that she no longer thinks her life's meaning is to die in that hospital.
Look for the light and her life can still matter in other meaningful ways.
I don't think Ellie should sacrifice herself. Her willingness to reconcile with Joel is a sign that she no longer thinks her life's meaning is to die in that hospital.
Look for the light and her life can still matter in other meaningful ways.
I'm going to delay my replay until I get a PS5, because I don't want to hear my PS4's fan again lol
When I was fighting Ellie in the theatre, I was wondering what she put down and I tried to pick it up. Then I remembered as I blew up lol.
I really liked the game before, but letting it sink in has only made my opinion of it grow fonder
And this is amazing
When I was fighting Ellie in the theatre, I was wondering what she put down and I tried to pick it up. Then I remembered as I blew up lol.
I really liked the game before, but letting it sink in has only made my opinion of it grow fonder
And this is amazing
Oh no, I did realize it was Tommy as soon as he attacked Abby, I kind of thought it might be him when I caught a glimpse, but wasn't sure. I missed the connection between him sniping Abby and Manny and the flashback with him teaching Ellie how to kill from a distance and saying he had already gotten the hang of it.
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