Doesn't matter. The point is you don't need to go in so hard on someone for stating their preference or expressing disappointment.
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The Lack of Third-Person options in recent and upcoming Action-Adventure/Open World/RPGs
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Doesn't matter. The point is you don't need to go in so hard on someone for stating their preference or expressing disappointment.
How many big fps single player games are there compared to tps?
I was hoping OP would clarify whether isometric/top-down counted in this specific thread but I guess that'd just cause another argument.
How... how do you think this is true lol?
You're completely ignoring the sheer abundance of third person rpgs this generation. Hell, if anything FP rpgs are the outlier.
Even looking recently, a plague tale, greedfall, disco elysium, none of them are first person.
How the hell are first person rpgs in abundance lol?
Not everything is for everyone and that's ok. Reject artists vision as an argument all you want. That doesn't make it not true and it's no one's job to satisfy you.
I don't really have a strong preference either way personally. I do think first-person can help with immersion in RPG's, so I'm fine with that choice for something like Cyberpunk 2077. And it feels like we get way more third-person games in general than first-person.
That being said, it'd be good if the option was there for people who don't handle first-person well due to stuff like motion sickness.
That being said, it'd be good if the option was there for people who don't handle first-person well due to stuff like motion sickness.
CrossFire is one of the highest grossing shooters of all time and Overwatch sold millions in China + Korea.
Seriously. If you don't like a game or a style, then cool, move on and play something else.
For those who have trouble with things like motion sickness, that sucks and hopefully the games that can afford to have the option to let you play third person or whatnot are able to do that, but demanding it is just petty.
As someone else mentioned. People who love 3rd person and can't stand first person seem to be so against, so any instance of it seems to be too much. You see it a lot in this thread.
I get not wanting every game to be the same, but how do you equate "more diverse" with a first-person perspective when that's been the dominant perspective by far since last gen?
Not seeing where he said he would be happy if the first person option was taken away or anything along those lines. All I see is advocating for third person as an option.
Cyberpunk and Outer Worlds not having a third person toggle is a major bummer for me as I love customizing my character for these games and enjoy seeing them inhabit the world. It's especially disappointing after having been spoiled by Bethesda and Rockstar with this option. In the case of Cyberpunk, it's particularly frustrating as this design decision seems to undermine transhumanist themes of the game (how am I supposed to feel like I'm playing as an androgynous, non-binary character with cybernetic enhancements when I spend 99% of the game reduced to a gun floating on the screen?).
That said, I appreciate that developers have to work within a budget and that third person animation can be an expensive undertaking. I also enjoy plenty of first person games (Arkane's are fantastic) and suspect Cyberpunk will be perfectly enjoyable without a third person toggle. It's just a shame to know this game will never realize its full potential. It could've been a great cyberpunk/transhumanist roleplay experience, but I just don't see how that's possible when even the cut scenes aren't in third person. Shame.
That said, I appreciate that developers have to work within a budget and that third person animation can be an expensive undertaking. I also enjoy plenty of first person games (Arkane's are fantastic) and suspect Cyberpunk will be perfectly enjoyable without a third person toggle. It's just a shame to know this game will never realize its full potential. It could've been a great cyberpunk/transhumanist roleplay experience, but I just don't see how that's possible when even the cut scenes aren't in third person. Shame.
What? First person has been the most dominant? Go look at Sony's like, entire 1st party output. Or the recent Assassin's Creed games etc etc
It matters if you're sick of the perspective. Third has slowly crawled out of the gutter since last gen, but "FPS everything" was a thing last gen, for many genres that didn't even benefit from it aside from jumping on the "shooters are in" bandwagon, and there are still a great many games that are first-person "because reasons" that seem like they are hamstrung for no good reason.
Personally love the resurgence of focused first person action adventures! Feels like we're back in the Riddick/Darkness Starbreeze era.
I do feel bad for folks who can't enjoy them due to nausea problems. What helps (at least for me) is try playing them with mouse & keyboard. FP on a controller never really clicked with me.
I do feel bad for folks who can't enjoy them due to nausea problems. What helps (at least for me) is try playing them with mouse & keyboard. FP on a controller never really clicked with me.
That was last gen. This gen like.... Almost every AAA game has been 3rd. Witcher 3, Nier Automata, DMC5, God of War, Horizon, Death Stranding, Sekiro, Bloodborne etc.
You are talking about a problem that no longer exists. "Sick of the perspective" come on dude.
This year in first person we had:
Metro Exodus, RAGE 2, The Outer Worlds, Apex Legends, COD MW and Borderlands 3.
The rest is filled with 3rd person games.
Only dominant with fps's. Look at all the big sony games, ubisoft, etc. The only single player fps ones are like dishonored or prey or doom.
But why are we even talking about around 10 years ago?
And wasn't the biggest rpg series last generation Mass Effect, a third person shooter rpg?
This generation third person games have dominated the market.
FPS were dominant, first person action/adventure titles and RPGs were not.
I played so many Sony The Game this year that I just don't wanna see another TPA, or any other third person game, in front of me for the next couple of months.
This.
Also generally speaking third person shooters aren't as precise & responsive as first person shooters so it could be a gameplay design factor as well.
Did these developers patch in a third person option and remove them? Changing the core gameplay of a game that's been out for a year isnt exactly a comparable situation.
I said fps games dont sell as much because asian are more prone to getting motion sickness. That's just a fact.
Same. It was one of my most anticipated game, but I decided to skip it. I don't need more headaches in my life lol.
But that's just it. Things that are easily counted are less subject to personal perspective. When we have two categories (1st and 3rd person perspective) that are easily quantified, and we can see that one of them (3rd person) is much more common, it makes absolutely no sense to call them rare. No matter how much a person happens to like them. See my reply to Sadnarav below. It may seem to you that every big game is an FPS or 1st person RPG, but the data clearly says otherwise.
I went to MobyGames and looked at action- and roleplaying games released for the PS4 in 2019.
Checked the box to filter out the 1st person perspective games.
Action: 115 of 465 games are 1st person. Roughly 1 in 4.
RPG: 18 of 115 are 1st person. Roughly 1 in 6.
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That's not a fact when CrossFire is an asian made FIRST PERSON SHOOTER and it's one of the highest grossing shooters of all time and it is played in Asia.
Clearly no one buys or plays fps games in Asia.
I've heard this on Era a few times before when this topic comes up but never anything this specific. Do you have anywhere I can read about it?
I'd rather the developer create what aligns with their vision or passion and within the scope of their resources.
If that ends up landing at "first-person", would just hope that that would involve as many accessibility options as possible such as FOV, headbob, motion blur, crosshair..the % of games where FoV has to be adjusted in an .ini file is still way too high imo.
If that ends up landing at "first-person", would just hope that that would involve as many accessibility options as possible such as FOV, headbob, motion blur, crosshair..the % of games where FoV has to be adjusted in an .ini file is still way too high imo.
Who said this? games sell more when they arent making people nauseous. And 1-2 games also doesnt say much about the entire genre. Arena shooters with wide fovs will mitigate alot of symptoms. But not every fps is like that.
No. Notice he didn't say he wants them to take away the one that's not his preference? He just said he wants an extra option.
OP is still hiding behind accessibility as one of the reasons why another option should be included.
There are plenty of accessibility options available for FPS games which should be included and I understand people lobbying for them. But using that as a reason for devs to massively increase their dev time just so people who enjoy third person perspective are specifically catered for is ridiculous.
The rest of the post is fine even if I don't agree with it, but the mention of accessibility just seems like a completely unneeded excuse to try and bolster their argument in a 'you can't argue with this point' way
I mean that's your preference and that's fine. But nobody is going to cater to all my tastes either. Unless developers decide to offer the option to cut out all "RPG" elements and crafting from their games.
Most importantly, it has nothing to do with accessibility.
For some it does, but that complaint rings hollow when many just it as a cudgel to justify modifying something just because they don't like it.
Well said.
Even as someone who doesn't get any motion sickness, I'd love every FPS game to have FOV options. The default is often just too constricting.
Game Award GOTY Nominees last 3 years.
2019 - Control, Death Stranding, Resident Evil 2, Super Smash, The Outer World's
1 First Person
2018- God of War, AC: Odyssey, Spiderman, Monster Hunter World, Red Dead 2
0 First Person
2017- Breath of the Wild, Horizon, PUBG, Super Mario Odyssey
1 First Person (also third)
So big game of the year type games, there has been only 1 pure first person perspective games on it.
So the whole "way to many fp" is FACTUALLY false