I had no idea Liefeld intended Sam Guthrie to be Cable. That would be so stupid. The way it panned out was mind blowing to my young comics infected brain.
Slott's leaving Fantastic Four soon so maybe someone recons Franklin back.
Nah. Scott and Jean 4everI don't care about the first mutants oh, I care about the very explicit Scott and Jean sex scene.
Can we get over Scott and Jean?
No?
They were boring in the 80s.
"You and Emma we're buddies… weren't you?"
I'm not up on everything, but I just got 2 massive X of Swords collections, its great so far.
It's also a substantial retcon of Marvel history, since it was established back in 1980 that the Celestials originally seeded the X-gene when experimenting on Earth's primitive population...but the current Avengers and Eternals runs seem to be happily retconning that story left and right anyway.As for the ancient firster-than-first mutants, I got the impression that they're not new, but the full origin of the first generation mutants who were found by Apocalypse on Okkara, before going to the warp to learn competitive daemon fighting. It explains why the Okkaran / Arakkoan mutants are so often non-human and non-humanoid; the x-gene existed before humanity itself did.
I wouldn't take that into account, specially because this book ended a long time ago.We know from Cable that the Krakoa era does not last, so I'll be interested to see what happens coming out of it.
I think with all of the exposure to Arakko's exciting cast in Red and Legion, Duggan's Orchis is struggling to appear interesting or relevant (at least to me). Stasis was an interesting twist, but I feel like its fallout was better in Immortal than it was in X-Men.
(I can admit that I'm more into fantasy than sci-fi, though, so maybe that's why the tone isn't hitting home for me.)
Also, where are Nimrod and Omega Sentinel? Surely they'd be called in when a mysterious cyborg woman shows up claiming to want to take down the mutants.
Also also, Moira as a villain? Fine, I can see that arc, there was clear foreshadowing. Moira as this moustache-twirling card-carrying villain? I don't see it at all. I think Percy and Duggan have ruined her.
Also also also, the fact that people are casually nominated for the new X-Men team against their will and make it in anyway suggests that nobody else actually wants to be on the X-Men. I guess we're not getting a Secret X-Men issue this time around.
It's also a substantial retcon of Marvel history, since it was established back in 1980 that the Celestials originally seeded the X-gene when experimenting on Earth's primitive population...but the current Avengers and Eternals runs seem to be happily retconning that story left and right anyway.
I guess you could argue that the Celestials did it based on observing the contemporary population of Threshold though.
I know my memory is bad, but I thought it wasn't so much the Celestials intentionally ceding Earth with stuff as it was that one Celestial bleeding its guts out all over the place?
EDIT: and speaking of the Celestials and the cosmic bit, has any of that ever bled into the whole Moira resetting shit thing? You'd think the Cosmic powers like Eternity would take a rather keen interest in it
But isn't she absorbed in the latest timeline or did it not matter because she no longer had time resetting powers?Two different origins. Universe 7 Earth 616 had eternals, deviants, and mutants all being the result of intentional Celestial experiments.
After secret wars when the marvel universe was recreated as Universe 8, the new Earth 616 had a Celestial dying accidentally and flooding the planet with mutagens. This created deviants and mutants. Eternals weren't experiments like they were before- they are intentionally designed to monitor and shepherd the deviant evolution process so that it eventually results in stable superhumans that would be useful to Celestials. "The Earth" functions as a sentient machine that they are "programmed" to protect at all costs, and will resurrect them when killed.
HOX/POX addressed this when talking about the higher level machine intelligences:
Anything on the level of a Titan/Dominion exists outside of time and would be unaffected by something as minor as moira resetting a timeline. The abstract powers would be well above that but largely do not care to intervene unless something is threatening to break reality on a fundamental level.
Titans/Dominions however WOULD take affront at anything that low level having any sort of influence on their area and if they became aware of it would intervene from outside of time and eliminate her. This is why the timeline had to be reset before the earth AI joined the greater machine intelligence in space in Life 6. If the greater intelligences gained that information, no more Moira.
But isn't she absorbed in the latest timeline or did it not matter because she no longer had time resetting powers?
Also the idea of the resurrection tech falling into that wrong hands is an terrifying idea. Especially in real life. Imagine if that Republican Party could simply resurrect their dead leaders and declare an emperor.
You're right as usual.Well- it was definitely well choreographed in advance. The only reason Moira abandoned the "cure all mutants" plan in the first place was because Destiny promised to strangle her in the crib if she ever caught her trying it again.
This is literally what has just happened to the Eternals.
Yeah honestly Moira turning on the mutants was telegraphed from the second and no precog rule came into effect.
I believe I'm on record saying before Inferno, that the only reason for there to be no precog would be if she was planning on betraying the mutants again.
I mean if it was just a grudge then it would be no Destiny. It's sad other precogs such as Blindfold were denied the resurrection as well.
I will say that I am very much loving this new era as it pushes past the Hellfire Gala and I can't wait to see what AXE will bring.
Wasn't Sentinel Moira absorbed in the timeline that Phalanx Wolverine came from? If so wouldn't the Titans then have her memory and know to kill her? My question was why havent they attacked? Shouldn't they have snuffed her out of time prior to her getting her powers? In theory Wolverine could of went to a time before she lost her powers and forced a hard reboot by killing her himself. .
I'll be fine when the age of Krakoa ends.
It was a lot of fun and let us start over from day zero on a lot of broken storylines over the last twenty years that seemed almost impossible to squash. Resurrected characters like Banshee and Thunderbird in a fun way, cleaned up the Psylocke thing, etc.
But let's get back to the mansion with Prof X and his people and let Scott and or Emma have the Mass school and give Mags Asteroid M and let's just start fresh for the new fresh MCU X-men.
Wasn't Sentinel Moira absorbed in the timeline that Phalanx Wolverine came from? If so wouldn't the Titans then have her memory and know to kill her? My question was why havent they attacked? Shouldn't they have snuffed her out of time prior to her getting her powers? In theory Wolverine could of went to a time before she lost her powers and forced a hard reboot by killing her himself. .
I mean, sure... but what if someone cloned moira a bunch of times and has been abusing her power to navigate the various available time paths?This would only happen if those things became aware of Moira doing it though which is a hard sell, because she's so insignificant. Again, the timeline changes all the time.
I thought it was a nice touch in Eve of Judgement that none of this programming was triggered by discussion of the mutants' current situation. Druig keeps referring to it as excess deviation as his justification, but their programming does not agree, while it notably intervened to prevent them from wiping Krakoa out.The Eternals (or at least some of them) are inherently compelled to do some absolutely horrific shit without hesitation and literally cannot stop themselves. In a lot of ways they're more machines than people and can't break their "programming."
I mean, this is just a long way of saying "retcon", so yeah. There's an in-universe event justifying it, but a retcon is a retcon.Its not. The origin you're referring to was only applicable to 616 Earth in Universe 7. THAT earth was obliterated during Time Runs Out and the universe that replaced it (Universe 8) has a different history.
Jason Aaron's Avengers established that the Celestial interference in Universe 8 Earth was significantly different - that was an unintended accident that flooded primordial earth with mutagenic substances, not careful design.
We see the exact same thing happen again in the current Spiderman 2099 series.
I thought it was a nice touch in Eve of Judgement that none of this programming was triggered by discussion of the mutants' current situation. Druig keeps referring to it as excess deviation as his justification, but their programming does not agree, while it notably intervened to prevent them from wiping Krakoa out.
It'll be interesting to see how Druig drums up support from his fellow Eternals, considering their programming inherently informs them when something is or isn't excess deviation. I guess he'll have to play entirely off their Deviant prejudice.
I mean, this is just a long way of saying "retcon", so yeah. There's an in-universe event justifying it, but a retcon is a retcon.
I mean, sure... but what if someone cloned moira a bunch of times and has been abusing her power to navigate the various available time paths?
That should alarm something somewhere if it's done enough... At some point someone should see something is up and start investigating...
Which situation?I still don't understand how Cyclops and Wolverine are accepting this situation 🫠
I still don't understand how Cyclops and Wolverine are accepting this situation 🫠
We're being set up for Schism 2
But with Jean on one side and Logan and Scott on the other
I could see that happening… actually I want to see that happen.
Hey don't forget about Jean's girlfriend.
Has the actually been confirmed anywhere in the actual text of the books or just that one map that showed the adjoining rooms?
Both men are screwing Jean at the very least they have an understandingHas the actually been confirmed anywhere in the actual text of the books or just that one map that showed the adjoining rooms?
Heavily impliedIt's implied but not shown that Scott's still sleeping with Emma.
Feels like they're all cool with it thoughIt's implied but not shown that Scott's still sleeping with Emma.
Yep. The signs for it were all over the place when you know what's coming.
AXE seems to be much better thought out than IVX or AVX were. Clearer antagonists and more credible threats across the board. At first i wasn't sure how the Eternals would pose much of a threat buuuuut now im starting to see it.
The Eternals (or at least some of them) are inherently compelled to do some absolutely horrific shit without hesitation and literally cannot stop themselves. In a lot of ways they're more machines than people and can't break their "programming."
Slott's leaving Fantastic Four soon so maybe someone recons Franklin back.
It's an underrated aspect of the Krakoa era. Not just the love triangle stuff, but how it sort of hit stop on all sorts of worn down and now-boring plotlines that were just lingering around.Everybody fucking each other is actually one of the best parts of the Krakoa era. No love triangles, no tension, no fan shipping. Everyone fucks on Krakoa. My kind of town.