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L Thammy

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I just want to say that you are doing good work in this thread, and in general. Well said.

Thanks.

Read the article thinking they were talking about Reddit the whole time. Thought holy shit Reddit sounds like it's gone off the rails ... probably since Trump?

But then clicked the top link in the actual article and read it was Chan, a site that even in the Wild West days of the internet should have been closed down for being a paedo safe-haven. Actually thought those Chan sites were gone or at least sent to the dark web. Can't believe anyone would promote their products on there.

For the record, _chan is more of a message board format than anything, it's not a single unified organization at all.

You have 5ch (formerly 2ch), which is Japanese. You have 4chan, which is a spinoff of Something Awful's anime board and modeled after 2ch, which had a lot of shock culture stuff. A lot of "ironic" bigotry, then later a section for just out and out admittedly bigotry. I think now it's properly split up into a SFW site and a NSFW site, but they weren't strict at all about that when they were informal divisions.

The site we're dealing with is 8chan, which is made to be an less strict alternative to 4chan - which basically just means the worst of 4chan's culture, but with the stuff that even they don't tolerate.

None of these chans are really connected aside from being imitations of each other and maybe modeled on each other's software (8chan being damn near identical to 4chan).
 

PCK

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This is weird hill to fight on for a company from which you weren't planning to buy any games.
In what way am I fighting precisely? All I'm saying is that I think the chances of THQN doing nothing right now seem small to me. I would imagine they are at least trying to figure out if there should be changes in how the PR department makes decisions. They are probably at least considering the future of the head of PR. And I would be surprised if they haven't at least been in contact with some of their partners to discuss this. I'm not saying these will lead to conclusions and actions that will be seen as satisfactory, but I think the talks of "THQ is doing nothing with this and just waiting for this to blow over" are a bit unrealistic.
 

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In what way am I fighting precisely? All I'm saying is that I think the chances of THQN doing nothing right now seem small to me. I would imagine they are at least trying to figure out if there should be changes in how the PR department makes decisions. They are probably at least considering the future of the head of PR. And I would be surprised if they haven't at least been in contact with some of their partners to discuss this. I'm not saying these will lead to conclusions and actions that will be seen as satisfactory, but I think the talks of "THQ is doing nothing with this and just waiting for this to blow over" are a bit unrealistic.

And you're thinking this because either you don't know or aren't acknowledging that Reinhard Pollice, the executive in charge of Marketing who is a major shareholder, was actually in that thread itself and lied about his involvement later. When that's the strategy of the guy at the top it's unlikely anything is going to happen to the PR department and their silence is pretty easy to interpret as them trying to wait for this to blow over.
 

L Thammy

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? That one was killed rather quickly. People who backed him up tho...

I honestly don't remember anyone backing him up. EviLore washed his hands of it and said that he didn't know who Amirox was and reminded that he wasn't a mod anymore. There were an article from around the NeoGAF->ResetEra where an anonymous ex-mod said that they didn't buy EviLore's story and didn't think the members did, and that was part of why they left.

And the staff from over there aren't the staff from over here anyway, so the whole connection is pretty tenuous anyway. He's a guy who was never on this forum who was supported who was once a mod on a forum that isn't this one, which may have possibly been known by a guy who also was never on this forum, and in fact who this forum was made to escape.
 

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not really a suprise that this has already passed tbh. the internet goes a million miles an hour you are (un)lucky if your topic stays in the spotlight for more than 24hrs.
 

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In what way am I fighting precisely? All I'm saying is that I think the chances of THQN doing nothing right now seem small to me. I would imagine they are at least trying to figure out if there should be changes in how the PR department makes decisions. They are probably at least considering the future of the head of PR. And I would be surprised if they haven't at least been in contact with some of their partners to discuss this. I'm not saying these will lead to conclusions and actions that will be seen as satisfactory, but I think the talks of "THQ is doing nothing with this and just waiting for this to blow over" are a bit unrealistic.
they haven't done "nothing", they've done less than nothing.

even if all they did was 'nothing', if everyone took your position what motive would they have to do something?
 

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People move on... it isnt limited on this industry all we can do is not buy their products if we wish so

Also that avatar quoting trying to prove a point its stupid
 

L Thammy

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People move on... it isnt limited on this industry all we can do is not buy their products if we wish so

Also that avatar quoting trying to prove a point its stupid

THQ Nordic is being quiet about this because they don't want it to be discussed. They are trying to slip it under the rug.

Why, then, should we "move on"? Isn't that the exact opposite of what we should be doing? Who other than THQ Nordic benefits from that?
 

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THQ Nordic is being quiet about this because they don't want it to be discussed. They are trying to slip it under the rug.

Why, then, should be "move on"? Isn't that the exact opposite of what we should be doing? Who other than THQ Nordic benefits from that?

Im not saying move on. Im saying people do and its not limited in this industry
 

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People move on... it isnt limited on this industry all we can do is not buy their products if we wish so

Also that avatar quoting trying to prove a point its stupid
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You are a huge idiot if you arent able to see how big of a problem it is with what THQ did and they need to pay

Happy this article was written
 

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And you're thinking this because either you don't know or aren't acknowledging that Reinhard Pollice, the executive in charge of Marketing who is a major shareholder, was actually in that thread itself and lied about his involvement later. When that's the strategy of the guy at the top it's unlikely anything is going to happen to the PR department and their silence is pretty easy to interpret as them trying to wait for this to blow over.
I know he was involved. In fact I think his reply in the AMA was by far the most problematic. But don't you think that the board of the holding company will want to know what he was doing there? I think his involvement only makes it more likely that they will want to get to the bottom of this. Him leaving that position is much less likely than the head of PR being fired or demoted though, that is true.
they haven't done "nothing", they've done less than nothing.

even if all they did was 'nothing', if everyone took your position what motive would they have to do something?
I fear I don't really understand what you mean by "less than nothing".
I think any substantial pressure is going to have to come from financial partners. The only pressure, much more limited in scope, consumers can enact is boycotting. And as I already posted previously, there are currently no games they are publishing I'm looking forward to.
 

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Good article, and I'm not giving a single cent to anything THQ-related unless they actually resolve this bullshit.

Any THQ game threads here, which are basically just advertisements for games, need to have people speaking out against supporting this shitty company.
 
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? That one was killed rather quickly. People who backed him up tho...

Who? Name names or shut the hell up. None of us backed him up.

I honestly don't remember anyone backing him up. EviLore washed his hands of it and said that he didn't know who Amirox was and reminded that he wasn't a mod anymore. There were an article from around the NeoGAF->ResetEra where an anonymous ex-mod said that they didn't buy EviLore's story and didn't think the members did, and that was part of why they left.

It's not that we "didn't buy his story", it's that he didn't fact check what he was going to post with us before he posted it publicly. His statement was kind of half true. He broadly stated that none of us knew his real name, which wasn't true, but it was the case that nobody online at the time of the events breaking knew his real identity beyond doubt, and we had to do internal checking among ourselves before we could verify it, which took a long time (by forum standards which move at light speed).

It was extremely stressful. The forums were on fire and he took his sweet time making a statement that wasn't even fully accurate and left enough ambiguity that people on other sites dredged it up as "proof they were knowingly defending pedos" and other nonsense for years following. Some people still believe it. A lot of us were very annoyed with how badly he handled the situation.
 

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I can't believe a game being made exclusive to a specific PC storefront results in outrage and one of the biggest stories in the industry for weeks... but a fucking publisher hanging out with pedophiles, sexists, and racists is just a blip for a day or two.

Most people just care about the games, not the things surrounding them. Epic Store exclusivity has a direct, long-term impact on players. An awful AMA does not.
 

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Most people just care about the games, not the things surrounding them. Epic Store exclusivity has a direct, long-term impact on players. An awful AMA does not.
Speak for yourself. This has a direct, long-term impact on THQ Nordic games for me as I sure as hell not buying them until the people involved for this are canned.
 

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i just realized that era gave no avatar people an avatar. i was confused because i thought they were the same person and sometimes they would say normal human being things and then other times dumb ass shit
 

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Speak for yourself. This has a direct, long-term impact on THQ Nordic games for me as I sure as hell not buying them until the people involved for this are canned.

Sure, but you're choosing to have it affect your hobby directly. If Nordic decides to go Epic Store exclusive with all their upcoming games, consumers will be directly affected regardless of their principles or beliefs. Issues that affect more people will be met with more outrage.
 

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Sure, but you're choosing to have it affect your hobby directly. If Nordic decides to go Epic Store exclusive with all their upcoming games, consumers will be directly affected regardless of their principles or beliefs. Issues that affect more people will be met with more outrage.



Child porn isnt a matter of principles or beliefs.
It's a matter of the law in like 99.99% countries and culture in the world.
 

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Child porn isnt a matter of principles or beliefs.
It's a matter of the law in like 99.99% countries and culture in the world.
That's not what they were talking about and you know it.
Nobody here is defending child porn. I think what they're saying is that consumers of THQN games will only be affected by this PR mess if they choose to be- if they choose to boycott. The Epic exclusivity thing affects the entire audience of a given game, not just people who choose to be affected by it.
 

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Good tweet from Brendan Sinclair comparing those two situations:


If this doesn't say it all, I don't know what does.

Like, I really thought there would be consequences for this one. How could you just possibly sweep something this under the rug? Of all things, how this? But that's the thing, they gave a faux-apology, started playing the waiting game, and then... well, that's it so far and with each day it looks more and more likely that will be all they wrote in regards to this. How can that be? Especially after stuff, like the ArenaNet firings for instance, where Price was fired for just being rude to a big fan of ArenaNet's stuff on Twitter. That can get you fired, but for this, that on the other hand does only demand an apology and that's it? How can that possibly be? How can this be treated as more of a fleeting thing than the ArenaNet firings?

Just reveals how messed up things currently are, and how sexism and complete and total fear of GooberGate types and completely kowtowing to their will almost certainly was at the center of both that, and this. There's no other way to make sense of how differently these situations are handled in the industry. And it's infuriating, especially since for some reason I had some kind of naive hope that this time would be different. How could it not be, with a fuckup on this level? How young I was, how young I was...
 

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That's not what they were talking about and you know it.
Nobody here is defending child porn. I think what they're saying is that consumers of THQN games will only be affected by this PR mess if they choose to be- if they choose to boycott. The Epic exclusivity thing affects the entire audience of a given game, not just people who choose to be affected by it.
Perhaps if the only counter-example was the Epic-exclusive game controversy, but the whole thing is irrelevant and beside the point anyway since it's not. None of the random people who lost their minds over it were actually affected by Jessica Price's comments either. Yet the GooberGoblin types lost their utter minds over it and ArenaNet acquiesced like the very next day, it took them practically no time at all to react to that. People let themselves be "affected" when it came to the ArenaNet firings and immediately demanded the firing of Price for daring to say rude things to a fan of the game with a personal account, but they suddenly can't muster the same energy when it comes to hosting an AMA on a site that's blacklisted by Google and hosts child porn and all kinds of other terrible content and the like?

When considering past controversies like the ArenaNet controversy, not a single bit of that holds up to scrutiny. If people can begin to make themselves care, even begin to make themselves care about what Price said on Twitter, and demand AreaNet take action, they can certainly muster the same energy for the THQ Nordic employees involved in this whole mess. That they do not, and everyone suddenly seems content with an apology of all things, a luxury they never so much as for a moment considered giving to Price and the others fired, suggests nothing good about the industry. And that that's all the case, that that all went down the way it did in comparison of this, makes me skeptical that the only difference between the Epic exclusivity thing and this is just that one thing personally effects them and the other doesn't either. People certainly made Price's words their business regardless of whether it affected them or not, just as they also did for individuals like say Alisson Rapp (the Nintendo Treehouse employee who was fired for haivng a moonlighting job on the side, which was certainly nobody's business and affected no one in any way, but they sure as fuck made it their business until Nintendo fired her), so why the sudden lack of caring and sudden inability to make it one's business in the same way?

Like, fuck in Rapp's case all she did was break Nintendo Treehouse's policies, and the only reason people even figured that out is because they essentially doxxed the hell out of her. But in any case that should have just been between her and Nintendo, and it certainly didn't concern anyone else. But the people wanting her fired just hid behind the whole "oh, but she did break Treehouse's and Nintendo's policies, so she has to be fired, and that's just how it is, blame them, not me" nonsense.

So why is the same furor not here? Why does it only tend to show up in certain incidents and not others? Unfortunately, when you look at which ones it pops up and which one it doesn't, it's not terribly hard to figure out and it say nothing good about the gaming industry about which incidents lead to action being taken and which ones lead to none, who the gaming industry seems to listen to when they're demanding immediate firings, and who they ignore.

And so yeah, even by someone bothered by it myself and anything but a fan of Epic in this regard, I'm going to be pretty damn skeptical when it comes to the Epic stuff and someone cares passionately about the Epic stuff and suddenly backs off of something like this, just because one "affects" them and the other doesn't and am not inclined to believe that for a second. But it's beside the point anyway because those other controversies exist and make it pretty clear there's more to it than that regardless, and nothing that paints a good picture, unfortunately.
 

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Sure, but you're choosing to have it affect your hobby directly. If Nordic decides to go Epic Store exclusive with all their upcoming games, consumers will be directly affected regardless of their principles or beliefs. Issues that affect more people will be met with more outrage.
This kind of apathy is gonna bring about (is bringing about) the end of the fucking world.
 

Valdega

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Child porn isnt a matter of principles or beliefs.
It's a matter of the law in like 99.99% countries and culture in the world.

Except Nordic's games have nothing to do with child porn and the people actually developing the games had nothing to do with the AMA. That's why most people have moved on. If you want to boycott Nordic until they fire the people responsible for the debacle, more power to you. However, it isn't difficult to understand why other people aren't as committed.

This kind of apathy is gonna bring about (is bringing about) the end of the fucking world.

People pick their battles. A poorly-planned and ill-conceived PR move by a company most people have never even heard of isn't the most pressing issue for the average consumer.

So why is the same furor not here? Why does it only tend to show up in certain incidents and not others? Unfortunately, when you look at which ones it pops up and which one it doesn't, it's not terribly hard to figure out and it say nothing good about the gaming industry about which incidents lead to action being taken and which ones lead to none, who the gaming industry seems to listen to when they're demanding immediate firings, and who they ignore.

The situations aren't exactly the same. Price was a developer. The Nordic guy is the head of PR or marketing, I think. People in higher positions are harder to fire. They are also guilty of different sins. Price was rude to customers. Nordic guy was polite to a bunch of scumbags. Being polite to scumbags is viewed as a lesser sin than being rude to customers.
 
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Sander VF

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Called it when it happened.

Only a small percentage of people see this as a calculated move
Majority of people see this as a "very stupid gaffe"
Alt right sees this as THQ reaching out to them and tell them "we're your company"

Companies have no incentive to go nuclear on THQ or have any type of harsh backlash because the general gaming population doesn't care beyond the "lol wtf"
I'm starting to think you're right, that this was a calculated move to get a bunch of doxx-happy autonomous attack dogs at their disposal, with the apathy of this industry ensuring that the PR risks are minimized.
 

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Except Nordic's games have nothing to do with child porn and the people actually developing the games had nothing to do with the AMA. That's why most people have moved on. If you want to boycott Nordic until they fire the people responsible for the debacle, more power to you. However, it isn't difficult to understand why other people aren't as committed.


The games themselves, sure. The company selling them though ? They doubled down on conducting an AMA on a site hosting Child pornography and racist contents.

So yeah, there should be actions taken toward the people responsible for this PR decision.

But not in the gaming industry of course.
Press will talk about it for a few days, maybe write an article then move on. How pathetic.
 

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You're right, I shouldn't have tried to point out that boycotts can impact on innocent people employed at these companies and developers. How dare I.

As has been mentioned already, if you don't want to draw a line at blatant racism, neo-nazis, misogyny, child porn, etc, and prefer to rather point the finger at people who do, then where do you draw a line..?
 

Valdega

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The games themselves, sure. The company selling them though ? They doubled down on conducting an AMA on a site hosting Child pornography and racist contents.

So yeah, there should be actions taken toward the people responsible for this PR decision.

The PR/marketing people responsible should definitely be fired. However, when you boycott a game, you aren't just punishing the people responsible. You're punishing everyone even remotely associated with those people regardless of culpability. We're talking about dozens or even hundreds of people that had nothing to do with the controversy and just wanted to make something that players will enjoy. You're essentially saying that collateral damage is fine as long as someone gets the noose (figuratively speaking).
 

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The PR/marketing people responsible should definitely be fired. However, when you boycott a game, you aren't just punishing the people responsible. You're punishing everyone even remotely associated with those people regardless of culpability. We're talking about dozens or even hundreds of people that had nothing to do with the controversy and just wanted to make something that players will enjoy. You're essentially saying that collateral damage is fine as long as someone gets the noose (figuratively speaking).
Shit goes higher up than the PR/marketing.

A member of the board of directors was directly involved and the CEO's non-response was damning.
 

Akira86

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In capitalism, holding yourself accountable is a sucker's game. All you're doing is deliberately giving away profits for free.
 

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Lootboxes and micro transactions stay in the news cycle for weeks, months (rightly so), and we still get a weekly update on fallout 76.

But a major publisher involved in a website known for extreme racism and pedophilia is glossed over in a matter of days.

As long as the people who console this medium only want to "TALK ABOUT THE GAMES" and not the nuances and problems that occur within them or the industry, this medium will never mature.
 
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I think it's pretty telling that the Eurogamer news story on this topic reached about 170 comments whereas the recent review of Dead or Alive 6 is swamped with well over 500 comments already with people falling over themselves to defend Team Ninja for shoving out a basic anime tiddie game with gross DLC practices because apparently bouncing tits is far more relevant and worthy of extensive discussion. The gaming industry won't hold itself accountable because we, the people who consume this content don't hold them to high standards, which is why despite the vast amount of money the industry generates it's still pretty much a joke compared to say the film industry. And this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems the gaming industry and its consumers have. We all need to do better.
 

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I think it's pretty telling that the Eurogamer news story on this topic reached about 170 comments whereas the recent review of Dead or Alive 6 is swamped with well over 500 comments already with people falling over themselves to defend Team Ninja for shoving out a basic anime tiddie game with gross DLC practices because apparently bouncing tits is far more relevant and worthy of extensive discussion. The gaming industry won't hold itself accountable because we, the people who consume this content don't hold them to high standards, which is why despite the vast amount of money the industry generates it's still pretty much a joke compared to say the film industry. And this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems the gaming industry and its consumers have. We all need to do better.
You're not wrong.
 

GhostTrick

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The PR/marketing people responsible should definitely be fired. However, when you boycott a game, you aren't just punishing the people responsible. You're punishing everyone even remotely associated with those people regardless of culpability. We're talking about dozens or even hundreds of people that had nothing to do with the controversy and just wanted to make something that players will enjoy. You're essentially saying that collateral damage is fine as long as someone gets the noose (figuratively speaking).



As I said already: It would just take a few of the biggest gaming press to send a notice that from now on, they'll stop press coverage and game reviewing of THQ Nordic games until actions are taken.

The pressure would be enough to lead to actions from THQ Nordic. And it would barely take a week or so for it to happen before any dev suffer from the situation.
 

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The PR/marketing people responsible should definitely be fired. However, when you boycott a game, you aren't just punishing the people responsible. You're punishing everyone even remotely associated with those people regardless of culpability. We're talking about dozens or even hundreds of people that had nothing to do with the controversy and just wanted to make something that players will enjoy. You're essentially saying that collateral damage is fine as long as someone gets the noose (figuratively speaking).
yes, that's what happens any time something is boycotted

were you under the impression that boycotts are supposed to be comfortable?
 

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I think game industry press should refuse to review and publish articles about THQN's games until the people involved in this choice are fired. As well, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Valve and others should be asked continuously why they're choosing to associate with such a company. Nickelodeon too.
 

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As has been mentioned already, if you don't want to draw a line at blatant racism, neo-nazis, misogyny, child porn, etc, and prefer to rather point the finger at people who do, then where do you draw a line..?
I absolutely draw the line at all those things, obviously. As I've said, stop trying to paint me as sympathetic to this shit just because I don't agree with boycotting the entirety of a publisher's catalogue. If THQN was *literally* ran by a group of Nazi pedos then I'd think differently but, as far as I'm aware, we have no solid evidence of that.

And no, that doesn't mean I'm fine with them promoting that vile shit. For the third time: the people involved should be held accountable. Fired.
 

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Lootboxes and micro transactions stay in the news cycle for weeks, months (rightly so), and we still get a weekly update on fallout 76.

But a major publisher involved in a website known for extreme racism and pedophilia is glossed over in a matter of days.

As long as the people who console this medium only want to "TALK ABOUT THE GAMES" and not the nuances and problems that occur within them or the industry, this medium will never mature.

Kill em !
 

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I absolutely draw the line at all those things, obviously. As I've said, stop trying to paint me as sympathetic to this shit just because I don't agree with boycotting the entirety of a publisher's catalogue. If THQN was *literally* ran by a group of Nazi pedos then I'd think differently but, as far as I'm aware, we have no solid evidence of that.

And no, that doesn't mean I'm fine with them promoting that vile shit. For the third time: the people involved should be held accountable. Fired.

The call for boycott is made because the people involved are not being dealt properly yet, whether this is firing, demotion or something else. As soon as the company and its owner engage themselves actively in correcting the issue then there will be no reason urging people to not buy THQ associated products.

It will also help showing that PR gimmicks like this will not be tolerated by the gaming community but for this to work needs the decent people of the gaming community to be active on this.
 

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I absolutely draw the line at all those things, obviously. As I've said, stop trying to paint me as sympathetic to this shit just because I don't agree with boycotting the entirety of a publisher's catalogue. If THQN was *literally* ran by a group of Nazi pedos then I'd think differently but, as far as I'm aware, we have no solid evidence of that.

And no, that doesn't mean I'm fine with them promoting that vile shit. For the third time: the people involved should be held accountable. Fired.

No one being held accountable and the over all company not doing a single thing to fire these people and let it be known, is just as bad as the person who set up this 8chan shit
 

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I don't know if I can say I expect or can demand that THQ's people do better (probably). But I think my core problem isn't that this happened in the first place. It's that after having attention brought to the foul actions of some of the staff at THQ, leadership and management failed to act. Not only did they delay in distancing themselves, not only did they try to wave away the issue, not only did senior management presumably lie to shift attention, but THQ (as a company) still hasn't had the balls to admit they screwed up, denounce the crap 8chan stands for, and tell us what they're doing to prevent this in the future.

Compare this to the Xbox booth babe controversy a few years ago. I won't say they handled it perfectly by any means. But it was refreshing to hear senior management take responsibility for the decisions of their subordinates, admit they screwed up bad, and explain how they were going to fix it. Phil Spencer talked about it on stage at DICE the following year.

I don't see why I should just let THQ off the hook when they clearly are still trying to spin this to their benefit. Why do people want us to REWARD this behavior with silence?
 

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I'm surprised how there wasn't a single mention of Era in the comments. On other sites there was more backlash against this site for complaining than for THQ holding the AMA there, lol.
The members of this site isn't any different. This is the same site that voted a company's E3 presentation was worse than a racist bigot revealing who he truly was.
 
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People still bought Uncharted 4
People still bought Kingdom Come Deliverence
People still bought Detroit Become Human
People will still buy the next Rockstar game
People* will still buy Cyberpunk 2077
People are in this thread saying, "let's not punish the devs" aka "I need a reason to not feel bad about buying those games still
Hell, I was banned on this very site for saying I'd rather have a fleshed out black character instead of some token in Smash.

Very few people care about any of this stuff in video games. I listened to Austin Walker talk about that Kingdom Come dev and follow it up with, "I'm going to play that game some more". When people stop doing all this, "look at the artist's work and not the artist" nonsense, maybe things will change. Until then, none of this matters. Start by holding your faves accountable

I'm going to buy this day 1. No one cares about how I felt with Detroit Become Human's bullshit, I don't care about what the twitter account of CDPR does