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The Independent: Biden called off second Syria strike after last minute warning of woman and children at target site
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People should be insulted that the admin thinks it's this easy, but I suppose it really is unfortunately.
Lmao, right? Americans here want a fucking cookie for their POTUS not murdering people unilaterally that 1 time?
How about this: gtfo out of Iraq and stop bombing sovereign countries, or at least work together with Congress. And even then, just stop bombing sovereign countries we're not at war with. Pull out the troops and contractors as we've long overstayed our welcome.
There's a certain subsection of posters here that whines that the OT is too harsh about Biden and are unreasonable. So they play out this victim complex about how "positive" Biden news is downplayed and ignored.
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Do you genuinely think it'll stop at a single drone strike? This half-assed defending is so fucking laughable and makes you look like a moron because you're not taking America's foreign strategy into account as a whole.
Reminds me of this tweet; guess what happened a week later?
This.
The drone program makes me fucking sick. It is war "without consequences" making it easy for our elected sociopaths to authorize thousands of strikes, resulting is massive collateral damage.
Well when people used to compare Biden with Obama and even Trump the discussion veered into ridiculous territory. The discussion in this thread has been reasonable unlike the last two.
Ya this'll shut those Biden haters up!
How interestinggg *raises pinky while taking a sip of wine*
I mean...
While it probably seems like it's overstated, there's also truth to it. And it makes sense. If you (not you, specifically) spent the past two summers demonizing Biden and "the dnc" with constant projected worst case scenarios then there's got to be some pent up sunk cost yearning to be vindicated. And also: controversy is simply more discussion-worthy.
Good. Stop funding and arming right wing death squads in Syria, Indonesia, and so many other parts of the world too.
Also, stop funding and arming Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf State monarchies.
Also, kick Turkey out of NATO. They're waging a genocide against Rojava.
Also, stop funding and arming Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf State monarchies.
Also, kick Turkey out of NATO. They're waging a genocide against Rojava.
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Sorry I meant to wrote hasn't*
The airstrike in Syria you're referring to a week later was not a drone strike.
There are plenty of ostensibly left people online who spent the last four years complaining more about Obama than Trump, and are also the first to spin away or diminish anything positive to come from the Biden administration. Frankly some of the discourse in this thread tracks with that attitude.
It sure is something. "So, we were going to kill a whole bunch of folks, but then someone told me there were kids among them, so I went 'hey, we're not barbarians, right'?! We'll have to kill more people some other time." Imagine the logic being applied on a smaller scale, with a serial stabber or some shit. "He's not like the previous stabber in town, who stabbed people indiscriminately! This guy refused to stab kids! Gotta respect the new standard being set!"
There is no way we don't infight for the entirety of the next 4 years.
It's inherent to our nature, for good reason. Since the left has some amount of introspection and grapples with morality, we are destined to argue.
According to the Pentagon any military aged male is considered a combatant and not a civilian.
A military aged male is anyone over the age of 16 according to the Pentagon. However since the Department of Defense regularly bombs war zones and poor countries, there usually isn't any documentation verifying that the US bombed a 16 year old boy and not a 12 year old boy (which is actually extremely common).
Last I looked the only, as in one singular person, who has been confirmed to be killed in the "22 people" strike was a member of a foreign (as in, not Syrian but went there to fight for Assad) militia that has committed atrocities against civilians and murdered UN aid workers.
There may well be more dead but so far that's been it for confirmed casualties.
I remember during the Obama admin any military age male, which I think is 16, was considered a "militant" would be interesting to see if this has changed.
Under Obama, Men Killed by Drones Are Presumed to Be Terrorists
The revelation helps explain why American counts of civilians killed are so much lower than what's reported by other countries
www.theatlantic.com
So effectively the entire male population of a country are fair targets so long as they are older than 16. Another thing that's nuts is how the US can bomb people, the people that get bombed retaliate by attacking US targets in their own country, and then America is like "well now I am within my right to retaliate back even though I am the one who started all of this."
Ok I'll concede that but it doesn't really address my point or this thread. Trying to preemptively paint Biden as compassionate or a president out of the norm, when we both know strikes will continue. What is even the point of it other than trying to make the leftists on this forum look dumb (which seems to be your goal).
Is this where we are? According to some of you, we should be coming into this thread and congratulating Biden for not murdering women and children?
The expectation should be that this just doesn't happen. Don't care if you're Biden, Bernie, or anyone else. Like, yeah, I'm extremely glad he didn't kill women and kids. People are pretending like posters just want to be outraged about Biden when they're actually pissed off about the things that he's done. Some people have a personal involvement with these issues which are dear to them (like the US bombing other countries/slaughtering brown people)
He still fucking murdered 22 other people, I guess, uh we should be in here expressing our gratitude that he decided not to murder more people?
"Obama and Trump would have done it".. alright? That's like the lowest bar imaginable
The expectation should be that this just doesn't happen. Don't care if you're Biden, Bernie, or anyone else. Like, yeah, I'm extremely glad he didn't kill women and kids. People are pretending like posters just want to be outraged about Biden when they're actually pissed off about the things that he's done. Some people have a personal involvement with these issues which are dear to them (like the US bombing other countries/slaughtering brown people)
He still fucking murdered 22 other people, I guess, uh we should be in here expressing our gratitude that he decided not to murder more people?
"Obama and Trump would have done it".. alright? That's like the lowest bar imaginable
Your bar is really fucking low if this is a pass for Biden for you. Give the same kid 15 years and he becomes radicalized because we probably killed someone he loved we will be having the same damn conversation when another Dem bombs him to death for killing a soldier. When we shouldn't even be in the country at all. You guys need to stop giving a pass to endless war.
he literally let people continue to live their life. what are you talking about
I, too, hate it that Biden isn't getting enough credit for sending his jets to a foreign country to bomb the hell outta its citizens, but then refraining on news of presence of women and children. What a paragon of virtue.
This isn't a positive because he still killed people. "He could have killed more people" isn't the positive news you seem to think it is. Endless wars are bad. Bombing people is bad.
This.
We're so sorry King Biden. We are grateful for not letting these women and kids die.
Seems like he might end up being genuinely better than Obama on this issue, but we'll have to see. And that's still a really low bar. I don't feel comfortable praising him for this, but it's good to see.
Yeah, basically my thoughts as well.
Well, the alternative is ground troops, neither are really good options.
You know, I am always amazed at the complete flip in attitudes, excuses, and callousness people display the second their "team" is in power. I've seen more right-wing talking points and right-wing framing on issues genuinely advocated here on ERA in the last several months than I have in the last several years. It is both utterly predictable and disappointing at the same time.
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Now that's what I call JOE-MENTUM!
In all seriousness, this report (PR) is pathetic. No points awarded to Joe for killing less people than he could have.
In all seriousness, this report (PR) is pathetic. No points awarded to Joe for killing less people than he could have.
So all they need to do is put Woman and children in their bases and Joe wont bomb them, what a load of bullshit.
