True, but that was in an era before everyone could get 60" flatscreens with surround sound in their homes, as well as streaming. The rise of TV in the 60s sent cinema into a freefall that it has never really recovered from.
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The Hollywood Reporter: "There May Never Be a Return to Normal" with regards to Hollywood post-coronavirus, article about how Hollywood is adapting
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True, but that was in an era before everyone could get 60" flatscreens with surround sound in their homes, as well as streaming. The rise of TV in the 60s sent cinema into a freefall that it has never really recovered from.
But wouldn't it be more like the Flu season, where if you get you Covid shot you'll be fine for that season?
Unfortunately we live in a world where there is an honest to god growing movement of people who think those kinds of shots are mind control and don't get them.
There's a lot of assumptions going around. Each day is literally unpredictable. Theaters closing predictions is like saying all restaurants, airplanes etc will also be closing. People WILL return to their routines. (After they been vaccinated)
Could be, not even the flu vaccine is 100% and we still a year from a Covid one
people need to eat, people usually don't fly for leisure but rather for necessity. People don't need to go to a theater to watch a movie.
I would too, honestly. We all would. It would be the peak of the artform.
Hey, just because I like smaller scale, auteur filmmaking doesn't mean I'm cool with people dying. I'm just envisioning what I'd like to happen if Hollywood has to evolve post-pandemic.
If it still isn't clear, I think people dying = bad.
True. When I wished to god for marvel to end I didn't think he would send a plague to do it and kill millions
There's been hand wringing anxiety ridden articles about the death of cinemas since the invention of television. This is not gonna stop people from wanting to go to concerts and bars and nba games and movie theaters. The response to people being trapped in their homes isn't "let stay inside forever and forget the things we used to love". And there's no way in hell Tenet, Wonder Woman, Mulan, etc are gonna debut on streaming when most of their money comes from the box office.
I'm not confident the movie will still get a 70mm release this Summer.
It is just an example. Concerts, parks, mass gatherings etc will return.
It will mean that only the biggest, most spectacle-filled blockbusters are gonna get a wide release. I don't think even Oscar-bait will be getting into wise release soon.
They'll be back to where they left off once this is over, I doubt anything will change.
As I've said in past threads, I'm excited about the post-theater future. It will be a painful transition, but people will still want movies, the delivery will just be direct. We'll get to enjoy brand new releases on our nice OLEDs without teenagers texting and talking in front of us.
People don't need to go eat at a restaurant, otherwise they would still allow that to be happening now.
Hopefully this pushes the investment in internet services and digital distribution further. I absolutely would love being able to rent/buy new releases digitally instead of going to a theater or waiting. Other people make the theater experience awful and in the end $20 premium digital rentals end up being cheaper for me and my wife. We probably wouldn't have even bothered seeing Onward in theaters and then forgot it even existed later after it finally released digitally, but we bought it day 1 because of the convenience and it being something new from a studio we like.
Netflix better start cranking out seasons of Love is Blind and the Circle.
People won't want to pay for it though so something is going to have to give for that reality. Right now the movie business depends on multiple runs in order to generate their revenue. What you're suggesting is to remove one of those runs and hope that the revenue is compensated from the other means which isn't going to happen.
I should add that theaters won't entirely die. Big chains will, but I imagine at some point independent theaters will become like vinyl records. They'll be a novelty that the cinephiles will keep alive. Ironically, that will probably make the theater experience better, but the majority of movie-goers will switch to direct distribution. There is a lot of denial about this here on Era, which is confusing, but it's happening.
No. If this continues commercial landlords will just defer lease payments until it stops. They don't want to not get paid, obviously, but they have no leverage because nobody else is available to move into the space. And it will cost a lot more to change the space into something else than it will to just ride out the pandemic and try to get back to normal after the worst has passed. Once the population as a whole accepts that this is the situation for a substantial stretch of time, you'll start to see this "pause the rent" attitude become more common among commercial leaseholders. Residential, that's another story.
Only now, those shutdown too.
And even when we get out of this...a writers strike looms at the end of the year
Feels like a pretty big overreaction. People (especially Americans) will be itching to get get back out to their regular lives, including theaters, the moment it seems even remotely safe to do so.
I appreciate the response of many here, but I guess the answer we don't have is: how do the movies get paid for?
The only streaming service which is "successful" is Netflix, and that's built on burning billions of capital.
How are you going to generate $2 Billion to pay for the $200 million+ movie in box office on streaming?
The only streaming service which is "successful" is Netflix, and that's built on burning billions of capital.
How are you going to generate $2 Billion to pay for the $200 million+ movie in box office on streaming?
You can't which is why this notion of eliminating theaters and now everyone gets it direct to their homes with no impact is living a fantasy. Hell, shouldn't the whole digital streaming services be a wake up call? People loved their Netflix for $10 a month with all you can watch because it was cheaper than cable but then shocked when everyone started introducing their own services. $10 a month for everything was never going to cut it. The same unrealistic expectations for direct to home movies needs to be realized at what you're asking for.
I think we all understand that the industry is in for a rough period. Obviously you won't be able to replicate $1B grosses with $20 at home rentals. There will be growing pains and a period where AAA big-budget films will have to recoup costs in areas like merchandise (or more likely, will have to be made for $80M instead of $200M).
I don't think people do understand that. It's just like they didn't understand that cutting the cord for $10 a month was an unsustainable model. Going from $200M to $80M is going to have a huge impact on how a film is made too. People are not going to like the end results and they're not going to be willing to pay for what it costs to get the end results they want if you go streaming.
Yes, and there will be a wide range of films that will potentially be readily available. Wonder Woman 84, Top Gun, Soul, Ghostbusters Afterlife, Black Widow, Mulan...
I didn't read the article yet, but last year we had a movie that broke all the records, and every single year we have a movie that grosses $1 billion worldwide, am I missing something that indicated cinema is in decline?
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Overall actual number of tickets sold to the theaters, and the size of the box office in aggregate, versus adjusted numbers for the past, indicate an overall decline.
I'm not sure there's a clear decline though. These are the last five years of box office revenue:
2019 - $11,320,887,082
2018 - $11,889,341,443
2017 - $11,072,821,415
2016 - $11,377,080,039
2015 - $11,125,864,078
People who get flu shots can still get the flu. The lead time on making vaccines means that vaccine makers have to make a best guess about which strain of flu to vaccinate against.
i always felt like you should be able to pay, like, i dunno, $30 or thereabouts to stream a theatrically running movie at home. and that was where the market was going anyway just a matter of if it's 5 years or 20 years later
i want to see theaters "survive", don't want to see livelihoods ruined, ect. but in 2020 i think the concept is kind of silly and perfunctory
i want to see theaters "survive", don't want to see livelihoods ruined, ect. but in 2020 i think the concept is kind of silly and perfunctory