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Mórríoghain

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Thoughts & prayers 🙏

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I swear at the end June will grab a double-barrel shotgun and go down there to finish the job herself.
 
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Vic_Viper

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Gilead feels so weird without June there. Theres no one there we really care about besides Janine. I think shes going to end up becoming an Aunt lol.

I dont see them doing another season without June going back to Gilead. But theres no way they bring her back without some guarantee to her safety.

But Fred totally has to die now. What a joke, but feels totally right in that world.
 

Chucker

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Gilead feels so weird without June there. Theres no one there we really care about besides Janine. I think shes going to end up becoming an Aunt lol.

I dont see them doing another season without June going back to Gilead. But theres no way they bring her back without some guarantee to her safety.

But Fred totally has to die now. What a joke, but feels totally right in that world.

I see Janine becoming an Aunt 100% and the kid being June-Junior. I called Fred flopping like a fish and I bet he's gonna leave Serena to rot and take the kid.
 

SpaceBridge

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Okay well that was a great episode.

I gotta say, Moss' acting is stellar at times. The car drive scene coming back from Nick, and the range of emotions to the utter break down in tears. I've been there.

Not a perfect season, but I'm actually super invested in this story again.
 

RatskyWatsky

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They were pushing things a bit with episode 3 but this season has been pretty good and hasn't felt repetitive at all.
 

GameAddict411

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Oct 26, 2017
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The ending of the episodes was really upsetting. That agent is an asshole and basically shows that a lot of men regardless of where you are are pigs.
 

cw_sasuke

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The ending of the episodes was really upsetting. That agent is an asshole and basically shows that a lot of men regardless of where you are are pigs.
Doesnt have much to do with his gender imo and its more about the government selling out and compromising to push their own Agenda regardless of the costs. Still messed up though.
 
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I think the moral calculus makes sense if they actually get good information from Fred. He's 1 rapist who can be key to hurting thousands more. But it will hurt a lot to see him walk free. And showered by adoring fans. Yikes.
 

cw_sasuke

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the episode implied that it was his decision and not just the government.
He is and represents the government I don't think a distinction makes a lot of sense. Doubt you would get into this position and then not make a similar move.

I get that its messed up but putting this just on him being man is not something I'm convinced on.
 

RoninChaos

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Oct 26, 2017
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So my wife and I stopped with episode 3 cause it just felt like a giant circle and we couldn't deal with more torture. Has it gotten better or are they just looping around to tell the same story again?
 

Richi

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Does June know though? I was under the impression you didn't become commander without taking a wife. He obviously was playing a card hiding the ring, but I thought that was "Standard Gilead Practice".

I'm saying if I had to pick a "men are pigs" moment from that episode, it wouldn't be a govt official putting "big picture" over someone's individual trauma. It'd be Nick... a man of Gilead, who is part of the reason there are even "Standard Gilead Practices". June wouldn't care about a wife tbh... she seems to dismiss anything bad Nick does. She (apparently) knows not to inquire about his origins more, which has been a head-scratcher for me since Serena Joy said "all that time spent together and he never told you?".
 

Hedge

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What I don't get about the deal for Fred to go free is that he can't go back to Gilead. He spilled their secrets and they won't just welcome him back. So if Fred is a free man in Canada with a ton of refugees from Gilead also there.... I mean he probably won't be an alive free man for long
 

Chucker

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I'm saying if I had to pick a "men are pigs" moment from that episode, it wouldn't be a govt official putting "big picture" over someone's individual trauma. It'd be Nick... a man of Gilead, who is part of the reason there are even "Standard Gilead Practices". June wouldn't care about a wife tbh... she seems to dismiss anything bad Nick does. She (apparently) knows not to inquire about his origins more, which has been a head-scratcher for me since Serena Joy said "all that time spent together and he never told you?".

Oh, absolutely. I wasn't implying that Nick was in any sort of moral right here. He's just proving that he's being corrupted by power just like every other man in Gilead who gets a taste for it.

What I don't get about the deal for Fred to go free is that he can't go back to Gilead. He spilled their secrets and they won't just welcome him back. So if Fred is a free man in Canada with a ton of refugees from Gilead also there.... I mean he probably won't be an alive free man for long

Fred is a known quantity and we saw the Waterfords have crazy supporters in Canada as well. He'll live his days out in Canada while Serena either rots or gets sent to the colonies.
 

Richi

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I dunno sorry. The show makes you hate men so much though. I am guy btw lol.

Really? My top 2 most hated characters are Lydia & Serena. The men are power-hungry fools that don't at all believe in the Kool-Aid they stir. The two I mentioned are truer believers of Gilead, it's principles, and it's subjugation of women.
 

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Really? My top 2 most hated characters are Lydia & Serena. The men are power-hungry fools that don't at all believe in the Kool-Aid they stir. The two I mentioned are truer believers of Gilead, it's principles, and it's subjugation of women.
You can hate men from this show and then also hate those two women. As someone (I think June?) said, they're the true gender traitors.
 

Richi

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What I don't get about the deal for Fred to go free is that he can't go back to Gilead. He spilled their secrets and they won't just welcome him back. So if Fred is a free man in Canada with a ton of refugees from Gilead also there.... I mean he probably won't be an alive free man for long

Pretty sure the U.S. gave safe haven to Nazis who offered info
 

Curler

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Oct 26, 2017
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I see Janine becoming an Aunt 100% and the kid being June-Junior.

I don't think Janine would become an Aunt, but her and Lydia has always had an... odd relationship. With all the trauma though, I can't blame Janine with how she acts. Ester being a June-Junior I can kind of see. She revolts and is reluctantly going along with things... for now.
 

tiesto

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Hoping something major happens, this season really felt too jumpy and inconsistent. The whole "Mayday" thing and references to Gilead resistance movements seemed to just fall away, June's plot immunity jumps to comedic levels, so many plot threads that go nowhere... The worst was when they went to Chicago - "America keeps sex slaves now? Oh, btw, suck my dick if you want food".

I loved the first 2 seasons, when more of the worldbuilding was done... the descent from average American society into Gilead... the geopolitics of how first-world nations would look at Gilead. The third season had some great episodes but was a bit more filler heavy (especially the episode where she was losing her mind in the hospital to the sounds of Belinda Carlyle - probably a low point of the show).

Also I think Tuello/Sam Jaeger is probably the closest celeb lookalike to me :P
 

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What a random finale lol. What even is this show anymore.

How did June include her daughter in that prisoner exchange for Fred? Like wtf? How was that not even discussed?? June clearly talked to the dude before bringing CIA guy to meet at that random restaurant.

They have really gone in a weird direction where June is becoming bad basically. So now shes leaving Luke and doesnt have her daughter back lol. Like she doesnt even care at that point.

This had to have been the planned last season, but decided to extended it or something. Everything could have been wrapped up this season for June if they wanted to.
 

Chucker

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I figure she's leaving Luke and Nicole to go get Hannah or die trying.

Edit: I also agree that with a 13 episode season they could have cleaned this up nicely.
 

Killthee

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SEASON FINALE SPOILERS

YES YES YES OH GOD FUCKING YES! Ive stuck with this show from the start and lost faith at time we would ever reach this point, but here we fucking are and it was worth the wait! Cant wait for Serena's season of misery next year 😂
 

Chucker

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Also, off the wall idea. Is Serena and the CIA dude a thing? Could that be his kid? Fred kind of acted that way near the end.
 
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Hm......

I feel like what happened with Fred was hard to believe. I feel like Nick and Lawrence are plot devices to make anything happen in Gilead. But I guess we've had this weird issue with how the governance of that country actually works for a while now, with the memory holing of DC. I think this implausibility of it all hampered my enjoyment of this episode. That and I wanted to see Serena's reaction.

It was a powerful moment though to see so many women hurt by this man and people like him, the government he helped set in place, pay him back for all the misery he's caused them. For all the people he and others like him took from them. For the lives and for the minds they've broken and terrorized.
 

RatskyWatsky

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The last few moments were very over the top, but it was still satisfying to see. Nice call backs to the first season with the "you don't own me" song and
the former handmaids forming a circle and beating Fred to death just like how the handmaids were forced to beat one of their own to death towards the end of S1.
 

VICTORsaurio

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Mar 10, 2018
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Absolutely loved the finale.

This season went to really dark places but I'm glad that they didn't shy away from exploring that.

As horrible as it was, Fred did not deserve to walk a free man. I used to like Serena at times but she's now even more of a bitch after she got a little taste of power.
 

cw_sasuke

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"IM A MAN AND I HAVE RIGHTS"

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I don't know how I feels about the final execution. June not asking for Hannah to be part of the prison exchange just doesn't make any sense.

Fred getting what he deserved was great but ....i kinda hoped they would have something more punishing or surprising in store than the predictable ending we got.

Also Joseph/Nick being able to pretty much handle such a high level exchange on their own without any mayor oversight from other people makes Gilead feel much smaller and intimidating as a state....especially Nick gets painted as the "Hero" all the time while still being a Gilead Commander....it's a bit weird.

Tuello is a creep. Playing surprised why Serena would stick around around with Fred and forgive him....when he himself is hoping for some Happy Ending with Serena, knowing all the terrible shot she cosigned and was responsible for. The theme of the season has been weak men....so I guess it's fitting.
 

GMM

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While I like the second half of the season way more than the first half, it was overall a mess with some real lowpoints.

The season always seemed to lead to a big shakeup with the Waterford's, so Fred dying and setting up an actual story arch for Serena was a breath of fresh air that leads to some optimism going forward.

That said, it took four seasons and countless repeats of "June doing wild shit in Gilead and get caught trying to escape" before getting here, the first half of the season was literally the same miserable torture porn that the show grew really stale on in season 3.

The entire Nick story arch is just so inconceivably dumb, his relationship with June is incredibly messed up and for whatever reason the show just promoted his character from being Freds driver to a commander in the empire of Gilead seemingly overnight, it really just feels like the writers needed a Gilead government force sympathetic to June and had nothing else

And seemingly no one in the leadership of Gilead has an issue with Joseph/Nick releasing 22 women in return for murdering Fred right away? Wouldn't they at least want to talk to Fred to know what he said to the Canadian government? And no one from Gilead involved with delivering Fred to his fate would ever find it suspicious that June, the notorious enemy of Gilead, shows up with all her friends to murder Fred?

It's so over the top and silly in the grand scheme of things, they might as well just invite June to Gilead so she can literally hang Fred on the wall and it would make as much sense as what happened.

Also, why did the mailman open the package to Serena right in front of her door? If they needed to check the mail they would surely have done it way before attempting to deliver it and with greater care considering how Serena is a controversial political character awaiting trial.

The story is in a fine place now and there is a good story to tell going forward, but boy does it feel like it should have been here a long time ago and the path there should have been way different.

I like the show, but boy is it had to stay interested in it considering how lackluster some of the writing feels.
 

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I still dont get how June didnt even try to get her daughter back as part of that prisoner exchange for Fred. I mean, did I miss something where she tried and was told it was impossible or something lol?

This season was the weakest by far. Gilead felt like an after thought most of the time after June escapes.

Maybe they are trying to show that Gilead has destroyed who June used to be and is no longer the hero of this story lol.
 

metsallica

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Were there any kids in the exchange? I didn't see any, but I may have missed them. Kids are the most valuable resource of all to Gilead, so there's no chance they'd part with any.

Beyond that, while I fully believe Fred is dead, they sure went out of their way to not show us his face. TV rules, people, TV rules. Don't be surprised if he pops up again somehow. June did say she wanted to make him live in fear and suffer like she did, and a single chase and forest beat-down ain't gonna cut it.
 

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Were there any kids in the exchange? I didn't see any, but I may have missed them. Kids are the most valuable resource of all to Gilead, so there's no chance they'd part with any.
No, it was all members of the Resistance inside Gilead.

But June clearly spoke with Commander Lawrence before the exchange to set it up. Theres no reason why she couldnt have asked for her daughter to be part of the exchange. The only thing I can think of is that she was so blinded by Fred getting his freedom lol.

I mean clearly they needed her daughter to stay in Gilead for another season, but still. Its just weird that she didnt even try.
 

metsallica

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No, it was all members of the Resistance inside Gilead.

But June clearly spoke with Commander Lawrence before the exchange to set it up. Theres no reason why she couldnt have asked for her daughter to be part of the exchange. The only thing I can think of is that she was so blinded by Fred getting his freedom lol.

I mean clearly they needed her daughter to stay in Gilead for another season, but still. Its just weird that she didnt even try.
She didn't try because she knew it was a bridge too far, and the show has adequately set that up. Let's not forget that Lawrence isn't a good guy, just an opportunistic one interested in preserving himself. These are all weak men. Nobody will give June that leverage.
 

Curler

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Very awkward finale with how everyone played their parts... Some comeuppance, but ended a bit on an odd note and just not satisfying :/ What now in S5? Are we finally going to see an all-out assault on Gilead with like, June leading the troops or something? Like at this point I guess anything is possible. I'm even less looking forward to next season than I was with this one (which was already on the low-end to begin with, with the plot just continuously going in a circle). I guess we'll have to see how they use Jenine and Ester, who are the only main characters left stuck in Gilead, and what becomes of Aunt Lydia.
 

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Were there any kids in the exchange? I didn't see any, but I may have missed them. Kids are the most valuable resource of all to Gilead, so there's no chance they'd part with any.

Beyond that, while I fully believe Fred is dead, they sure went out of their way to not show us his face. TV rules, people, TV rules. Don't be surprised if he pops up again somehow. June did say she wanted to make him live in fear and suffer like she did, and a single chase and forest beat-down ain't gonna cut it.

I think he's dead