Nah, we need this bad boy animated.
They also aired Char's Counterattack at one point.
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Nah, we need this bad boy animated.
They also aired Char's Counterattack at one point.
I think the issue was (Now this is just a rumor) cn or whoever at the time didn't want to do a simple follow up but do what harmony gold did with robotech and adapt it to make it an actual sequel to wing in the English version at least that's the rumor I have never seen that confirmed or denied anywhere
This fits in with Wing so perfectly.Nah, we need this bad boy animated.
Heavier Arms.Nah, we need this bad boy animated.
They also aired Char's Counterattack at one point.
I look at all these missiles and thinkNah, we need this bad boy animated.
They also aired Char's Counterattack at one point.
"man this thing is fucked if anything breaches the armor plating anewhere"
X doesn't work as well without 0079. It's a take on how the OYW ended.
Also, where the OYW series killed was at retail. Tapes and toys did very well. That's why they were fucking everywhere. You don't get there with X.
That's completely untrue.Mark Simmons addressed this era a time ago when he was running the old GundamOfficial. This came from confusion early on when CN referred to Gundam Wing as the franchise name and were teasing the OYW stuff but referred to everything as Gundam Wing.
Bandai burned everyone when they pulled Zeta at the last minute to rush SEED but then took over six months to deliver SEED.
"As well" is very subjective. Dragon Ball did perfectly fine in the west dropping viewers in like 200 chapters/150 episodes in the middle of it. I don't think not having the context of "What if the OYW ended differently?" would have been a factor for western audiences lol. Not to mention airing a lot of UC stuff without full context, especially Char's Counterattack.
I guess merchandise did better than I realized for, which X wouldn't had as much of. But also depends what was selling, home video and 1/144 kits would have been there. The problem was, it doesn't matter in retrospect that Bandai made a quick buck off of 0079 and OVA merch when airing 0079 felt like it kinda killed all the momentum for the franchise that Wing got going. But it's probably moot. It was limited pickings in terms of what had any broader western appeal at the time.
It really didn't. That's a fan misconception. The OYW and G Gundam stuff did very well at retail. The PS2 games sold above expectations as well, which is why they risked bringing out an obscure title like MS Saga and developed software specifically for the western market. SD Gundam Force wasn't as successful but SD kits sold okay. The Battle Damaged line that was released as a stopgap not as well but did okay. There was a reason retailers devoted a lot of shelf space to kits and figures-it moved. There were missteps for sure-Viz cancelled 0079 to push the Origin and then botched that release selling chapters in oversized volumes, the movie DVD box set was out of stock forever due to issues printing the lenticular cases, they really made too many g Gundam figures and mermaid and nether Gundams clogged drugstores across the country. But the franchise was very healthy until they pulled Zeta and had nothing to replace it with. The Z dub sat in the can for fucking years without release. Then they pushed out SEED with unnecessary censorship later than promised with no merchandising and nowhere to sell the merch when it did come out because retailers gave that space away.
It really all came crashing down for good in 2012 in the middle of Turn A's adaptation when Bandai shut their North American arm down for good.
It really all came crashing down for good in 2012 in the middle of Turn A's adaptation when Bandai shut their North American arm down for good.
Oh wow all this crazy "behind the scenes" of early Gundam in the US is interesting. I always wondered how it fell off so hard around SEED, when SEED kept getting called a revitalization of the series. I just remember waiting for AGES for Zeta to release, then just being instantly salty when they switched the OP songs with no prior warning(even if them not including it is 100% understandable and out of their control).
I also remember Turn A being "in the pipes" for a long time, then eventually just released subbed with no dub.
Gundam in the US seems to be in a much better place now, but I also feel like anime in the west in general has been more consistent. Like there was a huge push in the early to mid 00's, then kinda got oversaturated, now it's evening out in a good way.
I also remember Turn A being "in the pipes" for a long time, then eventually just released subbed with no dub.
Gundam in the US seems to be in a much better place now, but I also feel like anime in the west in general has been more consistent. Like there was a huge push in the early to mid 00's, then kinda got oversaturated, now it's evening out in a good way.
Bandai Entertainment was shuttered by their parent company before they could be bothered to get Turn A out the door. It took Sunrise partnering with Nozomi years later before it got any sort of US release.
I remember the Turn A trailer being on all their DVDs and Blu-rays at the time, too. Then Bandai Entertainment closed their doors.
I mean you could go into K-mart and pick up a huge MSIA Zakrello off the shelf. That toyline was amazing, and the fact they just released a ton of figures in the US at relatively cheap prices compared to Japanese releases were icing on the cake. I mean I like Robot Spirits but it's really hard to army build figures when they're 80 bucks a pop.
I will also always love those Anime Village mail order only clamshell releases for just pure nostalgia and excitement that they were finally releasing stuff domestically.
I will also always love those Anime Village mail order only clamshell releases for just pure nostalgia and excitement that they were finally releasing stuff domestically.
I remember grabbing the MSiA Aile Strike Gundam with Skygrasper at Fred Meyer for like $10. I had been buying Japanese MSiA imports previously and even those were a lot more expensive than Bandai's domestic pricing structure. Same for the few Master Grade kits that Toys R Us and Target carried at the time.
Near the end all you could find were those ugly ass Battle Damaged figures, though.
I was working in retail at the time and I do remember having tons of MSiA on the shelves for a while there. They didn't exactly fly of the shelves but I was in the middle of nowhere. I think I bought a GP-01...and it was fine for a 10-15 dollar figure at the time (I think that is what they cost). We didn't get the fancy GFF figures or anything but I doubt they would have done better for the prices they would have charged for them.
I'm halfway through 0083 and it is super nostalgic but I think I'm getting to the point where I'm split on who between Nina and Kou is the bigger idiot whereas before I don't remember it bothering me too much. Everything is so pretty. And much more action than 0080, but just really nice to look at overall.
I'm halfway through 0083 and it is super nostalgic but I think I'm getting to the point where I'm split on who between Nina and Kou is the bigger idiot whereas before I don't remember it bothering me too much. Everything is so pretty. And much more action than 0080, but just really nice to look at overall.
When a design goes all in on the absurd.Nah, we need this bad boy animated.
They also aired Char's Counterattack at one point.
Let's take Heavy Arms and make it ridiculous.
As if missiles did anything :/
Maybe on earth but in space those wings with the thrusters in the feathers likely allow for 360 degree movement with how flexible they are
Wonder about this too. I remember its time slot being weird and then getting changed to be weirder. It was given a prime time slot, but maybe after Toonami ended or something I don't remember. I think the draw of DragonBall pulled a lot of weight for all the other anime though as well, without it/people having already seen it, the rest of the pack waned as well maybe. Gundam in general seemed to be throwing anything at the wall after the blowout success of Wing and I think the inconsistent quality of it all might have been a factor too.
Having re-watched Wing for the first time since it aired on Toonami recently, I can only wonder what other things I liked as a kid that were objectively bad.
Some things just don't age well, wing was a fine product at the time. But not really a post 90s especially post 2000's era
Definitely loved it at 12, but It dropped hard in my anime rankings when I rewatched it at 27. Writing, pacing, a mediocre endgame -- it's messy.
No shame, though; I genuinely enjoyed Endless Waltz as much at 27 as I did 15 years prior. Which is to say, I liked it.
Wing is a full 90's product. Can't compare it with current products. Just don't watch it in Japanese.
But hey, some people like 0080, and that one I don't understand how people liked it. Take away the Alex and the one year one setting and it would be just a bad story with a completely unlikable protagonist that exists only to be annoying.
Then they go and hamburger the only decent character. Smh
But hey, some people like 0080, and that one I don't understand how people liked it. Take away the Alex and the one year one setting and it would be just a bad story with a completely unlikable protagonist that exists only to be annoying.
Then they go and hamburger the only decent character. Smh
Wing isn't even a 90's product. It's just straight up nonsensical. The other Gundam shows that came out in the 90's were coherent, Wing is something else entirely.
Heero and Relena's relationship is one of the weirdest and unhinged things after put into an anime.
Zech's is speedrunning Char's character arc that took two full series and a movie to complete in 50 episodes, leading to him never staying on the same side for more then like five episodes at a time and having his motivations contort on a dime.
That's not even getting into abysmal characters like Wufei and Une.
But the strangest part, is that in all this unhinged madness Wing still tried to talk about human nature and stuff as Gundam is won't to do, but because nobody in Wing besides Duo ever acts like an actual human in any way shape or form it all falls flat and you get characters randomly starting to talk about "The Heart of Outerspace" during the last arc of the show with no thematic ties or exploration about whatever the fuck that was supposed to mean, but they keep saying it to sound deep.
Duo is still great though, it's like he's from an entirely different and more coherent show who randomly got dropped into botched performative art piece and can doing nothing but gap at how fucking nuts everyone around him is.
Heero and Relena's relationship is one of the weirdest and unhinged things after put into an anime.
Zech's is speedrunning Char's character arc that took two full series and a movie to complete in 50 episodes, leading to him never staying on the same side for more then like five episodes at a time and having his motivations contort on a dime.
That's not even getting into abysmal characters like Wufei and Une.
But the strangest part, is that in all this unhinged madness Wing still tried to talk about human nature and stuff as Gundam is won't to do, but because nobody in Wing besides Duo ever acts like an actual human in any way shape or form it all falls flat and you get characters randomly starting to talk about "The Heart of Outerspace" during the last arc of the show with no thematic ties or exploration about whatever the fuck that was supposed to mean, but they keep saying it to sound deep.
Duo is still great though, it's like he's from an entirely different and more coherent show who randomly got dropped into botched performative art piece and can doing nothing but gap at how fucking nuts everyone around him is.
It's been said before, and I'll say it again.
Fuck Nina Purpleton.
This entire post is questionable. To begin with, 90's anime is generally solid to great. I'm going through Patlabor right now and it's frankly better than most Gundam anime.
Then, 0080 has some of the best world building in the Universal Century.
Insanity. 0080 is generally considered the best stand alone Gundam story that isn't Tomino and it's some absolute favorite. So much edge.
Most AUs seem to have a problem sticking the landing for some reason.
W falls apart in the back end of it
X rushed it's conclusion(because it got cancelled)
SEED Destiny is a mess
00 s2 doesn't compare to s1
Age arc 3 is a huge drop in quality
IBO s2 falls apart.
It's strange.
Most AUs seem to have a problem sticking the landing for some reason.
W falls apart in the back end of it
X rushed it's conclusion(because it got cancelled)
SEED Destiny is a mess
00 s2 doesn't compare to s1
Age arc 3 is a huge drop in quality
IBO s2 falls apart.
It's strange.
At least G is great all the way through, wish we'd get a prequel, the war that created the G fights could be fun or Master Asia's youth
Not every 90s anime is good.
Patlabor is good.
I tried man. I honestly couldn't get into it :(
G and Turn A the consistently great AUs.
A prequel would definitely be cool.
I'll defend 00's second season until I'm blue in the face, but I otherwise concur with this list. I've seen some folks who actually love Iron-Blooded Orphans' back half but their tastes generally strike me as... not my own. (One of them is a big fan of the last few episodes of Code Geass, which I realize isn't the most uncommon opinion in the universe or anything but Christ, did I hate it so.)
Despite rushing its conclusion, I think X did the best it could. But a fuller show would have been better -- undeniably. G's last third or so is my favorite part of that show, though I'm hardly in love with the show in general.
X got rushed but it still more or less landed on its feet, especially thematically, it wrapped up everything it had to say about Newtypes and human's quite well. Though it is sad that everything it had to say got more or less binned by every other series.
Comparing X's thoughtful examination of what a Newtype is vs shit like Unicorn and NT turning them into literal space magic and nothing else was sad.
Though on Age, I feel like the 2nd arc was the only actual decent part of the show, Asemu is a significantly better character then his father or son, and the fact that he isn't some type of space psychic makes him unique for Gundam
Definitely.
If the first and especially third arcs were written nearly as well as the second, I'd remember the show far more fondly. I dare say others might as well.
Hot take flit=shin, asemu and zeheart equal kira and athrun, and the third protags equals a much worse banagher
Gundam 00 is the biggest drop in quality I have ever seen in an anime. Pretty much nothing that made the first season good survived.
The show goes from being about a group of terrorist trying to change the world by fighting the world powers to basically just being Zeta Gundam after Gundam Seed Destiny also just been Zeta Gundam. Graham Aker becomes an embarrassment as Mr. Bushido. Ali Al-Saachez goes from being this badass who came off as the best pilot into the show into some lame agent. The main villains all have the same bad fashion sense, and personality. Also outside of the main villain himself none of the innovators were on par with our heroes. Katharon only seems to exist because of Karaba but the AEUG was working with Karaba, and Karaba had both Amuro and Hayato whereas Katharon just comes off as lame jobbers. Remember when a middle East country was going to rebel against the A-Laws but then the A-Laws just blew it up with a giant space laser instead then that just doesnt become important at all.
Instead of wasting my time with plotlines that just end with "Then the A-Laws use Veda to censor everything" why not develop the A-Laws, or the Innovators. Give them actually depth instead of having characters that are completely interchangeable. Actually give a reason for why the Innovators control everything. The leader of the A-Laws Homer Katagiri is a complete non-character who commits Sepekku in a sci-fi story. Why?
I know what you mean, a part of me is both willing to defend the second season of 00 and the movie since they were actively hinting at that throughout the series. But after the hashmail arc of ibo season 2 I couldn't watch the rest of it. It just felt like even though the writing was taking in in a different direction in the first half it immediately forced it to go another in the second which hurt the story actively in my opinion
The bolded reflects my feelings. There are 5 gundam boys and only Duo and Quatre have any sort of characterization. I absolutely love the mech designs in Wing (outside of EW Wing), but the character work doesn't make any sense. Part of me wonders if the director change is to blame for it. However the second half of wing is directed by the same guy who did X, which has consistent character work (even if it has stumbling blocks).
To be honest, I've heard it all before. It's valid. I still enjoy the season. Episodes like "Memento Mori," combined with the thrill of watching a group of protagonists who have earned each other's trust and admiration through thick and thin together -- it's enough for me to forgive the narrative missteps almost entirely.
Yeah, IBO really collapses by contrast. It's a shame. I like the setting a lot!
I think what truly got me when I knew the second half was going to not be great was when they fridged lafter the episode after they killed Naze and his wife
Which itself is one of the huge problems with season 2 because Assault on Memento Mori is the halfway point of Season 2. The show peaked 12 episodes before the end of the actual show. They bust out the Giant Space Laser early then have nothing bigger saved for the finale, what basically amounts to the enemies secret weapon being the Gaga forces a ridiculous and lame weapon.
Gundam Seed Destiny saves Requiem for the end, Gundam Wing has Libra threaten an endless Winter at the end.
Gundam 00 felt like they lost the plot. "A collection of terrorists with superior technology show up and tell the world there's not going to be anymore fighting, then shut down any and all attempts to fight."
....Okay. And now what? Their answers were unsatisfying.
....Okay. And now what? Their answers were unsatisfying.
Sure, but SEED Destiny and Wing have considerably fewer "nakama" moments (the whole "family is what you make of it, not necessarily by blood" theme so prevalent in JRPGs/anime/manga that I adore). And just because the Big Honkin' Space Laser is in the "wrong" place structurally, that doesn't prevent me from enjoying it quite a bit. Shrug.
First season of IBO was really interesting in concept but got a bit slow and ended on what felt like too much political theater. I wasn't immediately excited for the second season and was LTTP, first watching it within the last year or two.
In general, I felt that relative to 00's choice of a contratian director, IBO going with a completely different sort of writer had definite advantages. Season 2 had some brutal cliffhangers (sometimes at moments that Gundam typically would never end episodes with) that leaned into Okada's dramatic chops, and while not all elements of its execution were my favorite, she made a really bold choice with the ending. But the other side of the coin was that in other parts, the specific sorts of character relationship building drama chosen absolutely wrecked havoc on the pacing.
In general, I felt that relative to 00's choice of a contratian director, IBO going with a completely different sort of writer had definite advantages. Season 2 had some brutal cliffhangers (sometimes at moments that Gundam typically would never end episodes with) that leaned into Okada's dramatic chops, and while not all elements of its execution were my favorite, she made a really bold choice with the ending. But the other side of the coin was that in other parts, the specific sorts of character relationship building drama chosen absolutely wrecked havoc on the pacing.
Iron-Blooded Orphans was great but it frustrates me that there are so many people who actually thought Tekkadan's enemies were the "good guys". At best, there ARE no good guys.