That's a bad vote, too. But as I understand it, it was like very low level stuff like used gloves.
Well, there is a difference between a liberal and a leftist
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The Guardian: Beto O’Rourke frequently voted for Republican legislation, analysis reveals
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That's a bad vote, too. But as I understand it, it was like very low level stuff like used gloves.
this thread alone is overflowing with russian troll accounts?
this is going to be a really, really grueling next couple of years
That doesn't make liberals centrists. It makes them not socialists.
I'm concerned with policy, man. I don't hang out on FiveThirtyEight or w/e and force myself into a panic attack following the NYT needle on election night.
Beto sucks. His refusal to firmly state where he stands ideolocslly sucks. His voting record sucks.
Same goes for Harris, Booker, Biden, etc. But you're fine with that because you've got some stat from some wonk saying you should be. Funny how stats are really all libs ever have.
My aplogies, I didnt know the parenthesis bullcrap was a dog whistle for anti semitism, i just thought it was a stupid thing conspiracy theorists did. I edited it. I stand by the BS purity tests going down in this thread.
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I have, yes
what makes you think this thread is flooded with russian troll accounts? is this really going to be the new tactic for stifling discussion? I don't agree with you so you're a russian troll? seems pretty fucked up if that's what you're going for
If his platform (when established) is not the one you like best, and / or you find his explanations unsatisfactory, it is fine not to vote for him in the primary. The author presumably wants people to vote for Bernie.
I just hope people vote for whoever ends up facing trump.
It's not about disagreement, it's about witnessing those with a desire to sow political discord on the left while offering no practical solutions. It's about obsessively trying to deflate people's excitement and curiosity about potential contenders. It's about sharing super, super spun articles that try to frame a percentage point more of voting with Rs as radically off from how other Ds vote. It's about shooting down every candidate, as bloody as possible, then refusing to say who you'd support (btw, Helio none of this was meant with you in mind even though I think your points are are uniformly bs). Etc. etc etc.
I've seen this pattern too. I dont think its trolling but I respond the same way - laugh and ignore. A lot of the points are so absurdly ridiculous.
People like you could doom us into getting 4 more years of Trump, jfc.
So is "who do you support in 2020"
Oh, but that's too tough for you to chime in on.
Back at the old place it was super easy to spot Russian trolls because if you looked at the post history they never posted about anything or contributed to any thread EXEPT when it was Russian related, would spend entire threads whataboutisming over Russian foreign policy, and as soon as they got called out they'd disappear and a new one with the same type of post history would reappear.
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If voters are as braindead as some of the people posting in here the alternative isn't going to be much better anyway.
Well, that's not the historical use every where, even in the US prior to the 1930s. Liberal is has a completely different praxis to leftism / socialism / labor movement. They may have a concordance in social liberties, but liberals and leftist are primarily antagonized by their take on capitalism.
And there it is.
Thanks again for sharing who you support for 2020. Fascinating.
Thread number 15,000 where people commenting on American politics are apparently in need of a remedial political education.
When people poll Americans on their ideology, they divide them into three broad categories: Liberals, Moderates, and Conservatives. Liberals are broadly the left. Moderates are the mushy center. Conservatives are those broadly on the right. There is no secret Leftist option, "liberals" include the leftists. When the vast, vast majority, (like 95%+ of the electorate) sees someone criticizing "the liberals" or "the libs," they are going to think that you are right-wing and are attacking the left.
When people poll Americans on their ideology, they divide them into three broad categories: Liberals, Moderates, and Conservatives. Liberals are broadly the left. Moderates are the mushy center. Conservatives are those broadly on the right. There is no secret Leftist option, "liberals" include the leftists. When the vast, vast majority, (like 95%+ of the electorate) sees someone criticizing "the liberals" or "the libs," they are going to think that you are right-wing and are attacking the left.
You're saying Beto, Kamala, Biden, et al are "not much better" than Trump? Are you fucking serious here? Jesus fucking Christ I'm out of here.
so you're actually serious and you think the OP of this thread is a russian troll account for sharing this article
you're making some pretty intense claims that are almost assuredly baseless, I hope you're aware of that
The 1930s were 90 years ago and we're talking US politics. Liberals are left wing, leftists are the further left/Socialists.
Using liberal as an insult is the easiest way to identify yourself as being out of touch with US politics or as a conservative.
Bernie and Warren at about equal levels. Even if all they can do their entire Presidency is appoint cabinet / executive positions and judges, I feel like they'll be eons better than other candidates. This country needs an FDR type president and movement or we can possibly be back in the same position with a fascist president again.
Biden is pretty conservative even if he does the folksy white guy thing well on paper. Gillibrand and Harris are pretty tight lipped about their platform so far and I frankly do not believe for a second they would come out swinging against the corrupt wealthy in any meaningful capacity. And Beto reminds me of too much of the worst, huggy feely try to play nice with Republicans during his debate performances against Ted Cruz in an era where I feel like throwing bricks through windows and rioting.
Pretty sure I already said that, pretty sure in fact that was what was the entry point to the conversation chain...
I'm not claiming any one in particular, but there are some awfully, awfully fishy posts happening. That's all. It's also rather interesting how people assume they're being talked about with this.
And of course now we're getting one of the thread's most prominent posters saying that basically all of the D options are just about as bad as Trump. *shrug*
Sounds to me like he voted for things that would be in service of those that voted for him. What a crime.
Now to be fair, 2016 Clinton supporters are experts in getting us four years of Trump
Not sure I got that impression, but then again, you seem pretty sure based on how many times you needed to specify it, so sure thing.
I had concerns about some of what i had heard and the establishment democrats and the usual suspects in the media cozying up to him for a run(which is usually never good) but i wasnt looking to condemn anyone outright, only push that the concerns should be considered before we jump in any blind hype train for the Presidency which is so very important. Because i've done this song and dance before of putting whatever blank slate positions i want onto a candidate and having them let me down due to me not seeing it coming. The people i personally prefer to run are aside from that point.
Even when CNN did their poll, i was more concerned about biden and harris than Beto because i knew more damning things about them than i did about him.
But as more comes out, yes, now i feel my reservations were fully justified.
"It's about sharing super, super spun articles that try to frame a percentage point more of voting with Rs as radically off from how other Ds vote."
that seems pretty specific
Yea, and I love that about her.
I'm just saying, don't undersestimate people's ability to be cynical.
hey comrades, I'm so glad that we're talking about this important issue! the country requires strong leadership and cannot be handed over to a weak-willed Beto Male!
no, but seriously, criticizing Democratic primary candidates is actually an extremely good and right thing to do, especially considering that Beto is actually quite a bit more conservative than expected given his district's voting patterns and is skating by (heh) based on his charisma. this is definitely something that he genuinely does need to answer for, in much the same way that Warren needs to answer for why the hell she did the DNA thing and Harris needs to answer for some really weird choices made as AG and Biden needs to answer for like... busing and a million other things and Sanders needs to answer for literally nothing do not question sweet Bernard what he's done to address his relative lack of foreign policy experience. everyone has questions that need to be answered, and asking those questions is in no way inappropriate or suspicious.
A Democratic saviour turned out to be yet another corporate-interest supporting centrist? SHOCKING NEWS.
Oh man the next year and a half is gonna get really tiring hearing from the unicorn chasers.
Also how odd is it so many anti beto posts and threads and articles all of the sudden. Almost as if a certain group are *gasp* scared of his natural charisma.
Also how odd is it so many anti beto posts and threads and articles all of the sudden. Almost as if a certain group are *gasp* scared of his natural charisma.
pretty weird how a group of people who've apparently never self-reflected about why they couldn't persuade a majority of the democratic party to vote for their candidate two calendar years ago feel they still have carte blanche to make a ton of low-content posts about "centrists" and "neoliberals" and "um actually polls are bad except when they imply wide support for something i like in which case they are Good" in every thread that's even tangentially about 2020
also pretty weird how a bunch of them keep getting warned and/or banned. except for sphagnum, immortal god-king of the socialist OT, and apharmd, who is mysteriously capable of making cogent leftist points without condescending to everyone else. must be a conspiracy.
(also if y'all are gonna throw out insults at least use potent ones with actual specific meanings like "capitalist pig".)
also pretty weird how a bunch of them keep getting warned and/or banned. except for sphagnum, immortal god-king of the socialist OT, and apharmd, who is mysteriously capable of making cogent leftist points without condescending to everyone else. must be a conspiracy.
(also if y'all are gonna throw out insults at least use potent ones with actual specific meanings like "capitalist pig".)
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What a coinky-dink Jon.
But that would be typical of the poliera hive-mind to be suspicious of dozens of anti-beto posts and threads after that Obama supports Beto one. We must return to the