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The Great Pokemon Purge of 2019 - A Glass Half Full Thread
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Gen4,5,6,7 should not have more than 15 Pokemon each. Sinnoh remakes are coming so gen 4 can shine there.
Regarding gen 1, I can again see that 100 of them are returning again at minimum. Gen 2 should not have many since let's go jhoto will come so 20 out of 100. Gen 3 about 60-70 Pokemon should return.
So the pokedex should be something like this
Gen 1- 100 (I don't want them, but they will be there, game freak loves them)
Gen 2- 20
Gen 3- 60
Gen 4- 15
Gen 5- 20
Gen 6- 20
Gen 7- 15
Gen 8- 100
Regional Pokedex of around 350 mon
Regarding gen 1, I can again see that 100 of them are returning again at minimum. Gen 2 should not have many since let's go jhoto will come so 20 out of 100. Gen 3 about 60-70 Pokemon should return.
So the pokedex should be something like this
Gen 1- 100 (I don't want them, but they will be there, game freak loves them)
Gen 2- 20
Gen 3- 60
Gen 4- 15
Gen 5- 20
Gen 6- 20
Gen 7- 15
Gen 8- 100
Regional Pokedex of around 350 mon
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Is there a reason the number of Unova Pokémon is so low when it has the most new Pokémon of all games? I'd reduce Gen 3 by a good 15-20 to allow for more Gen 5
There's already nearly 30 gen 5 Pokemon confirmed for the games, anyway.
You're not a dog person OP, I'm revoking your dog person license.
Also how can you cut Gloom? Gamefreak peaked with Gloom. It's only rival is Corsola. And you cut that one too!
Also how can you cut Gloom? Gamefreak peaked with Gloom. It's only rival is Corsola. And you cut that one too!
They aren't cutting the mythicals or Legendaries. They're the main vehicle by which Game Freak draws people to promotions and events. What are they gonna offer for serial codes at Target or distribute over wi-fi? A shiny Dugtrio or something?
Im gonna go with mons like alomola/basculin/mons like oricorio/comfey/dhelmise may get cut
I think legendaries for the most part may get cut
Mythicals would probably get cut as well except probably a few. Gonna miss diancie but shes not as cool if she doesnt have her mega form anyway :/
Im surprised mons like throh/sawk and even avalugg made it in so im pretty optimistic that we are gonna get a good mix of everything
I think legendaries for the most part may get cut
Mythicals would probably get cut as well except probably a few. Gonna miss diancie but shes not as cool if she doesnt have her mega form anyway :/
Im surprised mons like throh/sawk and even avalugg made it in so im pretty optimistic that we are gonna get a good mix of everything
All previous gen legendaries + starters + mythicals getting cut would be fine with me since these are the most likely to have events / DLC related to them - so not only would that mean they are obtainable, but if their data is patched in, then you could transfer your own over.
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While I totally understand the feeling, the cheer positivity and inate creativity of this thread prevents me from reciprocating with a simple "Same".
So, to stay on topic, do you think it's worth Game Freaks' time to animate a Pokemon like Unown (20+ fucking times) when it only learns one move?
I guess I'm not a Gloom guy either!
But seriously though, I like it's design, but I feel there are many great, great Grass designs that I would rather keep.
Corsola is too Pacific-y to fit in Galar.
Same as they also do: they will release new Mythicals.
The old ones are done. Virtually nobody sees them, so it does not make sense to spend time with their animations.
It's not about caving. It's not even about the Purge, there is already a thread covering this subject as a news where people can express their sadness.
This is more of a creative thinking experiment. If you were in GF shoes, how would you go about it to save time and resources?
Nah, you're wrong.
They have already shown more than half your 300, and they only revealed what, 10 Galar Pokemons?
I'm willing to bet the Galar Dex will be close to 500.
And I'm also willing to bet they will cut more than half of Gen 1.
Mark this post!
Yep, every thing shown so far is pretty even, that's a good sign.
But if they reveal Voltorb I'm gonna start worrying.
Thanks!
One thing I've always hated is how people write off Pokémon for being "redundant".
The best thing about Pokémon is that it's a (fictional) living, breathing, world. Just like we have more than 1 type of dog or fish, I don't get why people hate the idea that there are multiple types of fish or dog Pokémon.
Like it's not just the culling that people are hating on these Pokémon. Basculin, the monkeys, and so on, get hate just for existing.
The best thing about Pokémon is that it's a (fictional) living, breathing, world. Just like we have more than 1 type of dog or fish, I don't get why people hate the idea that there are multiple types of fish or dog Pokémon.
Like it's not just the culling that people are hating on these Pokémon. Basculin, the monkeys, and so on, get hate just for existing.
Cant speak for anyone but myself but its certainly not as fun the 10th time an electric rodent that's similar in its appeal as Pikachu shows up. Even in Gen1 there were multiple mouse/rat inspired pokemon (as well as multiple cats, multiple dragons) so I dunno why people would have an issue with more than 1 type of anything in that sense.
What im trying to say is that sometimes its blatant iteration
How is the discussion of which pokemon will be wiped from existence even "glass half full" anyway?
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Of course they will.
Wanna bet?
I mean, in the very first trailer for the game there was only ONE Pokémon from Gen 1: I think they know they have to lay low for a while after Let's Go.
I totally agree with you (and that's why regional variants are such a great idea).
However, when I talked about redundancy while trying to make a list of Pokémon to purge, it was purely on a regional basis.
It would not be fun for me if all the Regional Mammals were available in the same game to catch. They basically occupy the same gameplay spot with not much to differentiate them.
First, they won't be wiped from existence, they will be in Pokémon Home (and Go) until further notice.
Second, the half full glass is the opportunity for us (well, those of us that want to) to use this decision by Game Freak to look at the Pokédex in a different way and see how we would create a diverse and fulfilling list of Pokémon if we had to.
Cutting half the Pokémon is bad.
Thinking critically about stuff is good!
Oh goody so they still get to exist in a subscription service while you hope they get to make a game you can actually export them too.
Untill then...
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Yep, as I said, they won't be wiped from existence.
But again, as said in the first post, please do not derail the topic.
So they get to hold your pokemon hostage for money, lovely.
Whatever I'ma leave you alone. Good luck with your discussion thing.
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Again, I never said it was lovely or a good decision. The paying for Home thing is very problematic and something that is way more worthy of discussion than the decision to purge itself.
Thank you.
I would be happy to discuss more on the hostage situation in the main thread about the topic, if you want to.
THE STARTERS
Let's break some hearts.
There are no Pokemon more linked to a region than the Starters, so if I had to purge, it would make sense to remove all of them from Galar.
I won't.
Generally speaking, my gut feeling is that Pokemon who currently possess Mega evolutions are safe from the Purge (because it proves that Game Freaks loves them, and because the Mega designs could potentially be reused for... something).
For this reason, I feel like Charizard, Blastoise, Venusaur, Blaziken, Swampert, Sceptile and Greninja are safe. (they will totally reuse the Non-Mega Ash-Greninja design for... something.)
I also feel like Incineroar is safe. It's mega popular in VGC, it has a spot in Smash, I would keep it.
This means I saved one Water starter, one Fire starter.
My OCD won't let that alone, so I need to save one additional Grass starter. And as much as I love Rowlet, I can't see myself erasing both Gen 2 and Gen 5 starters. And since Let's Go Johto is probably coming, I'll save Gen 5 for now.
Snivy? You're in.
Sorry, Meganium, Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Torterra, Infernape, Empoleon, Emboar, Samurott, Chesnaught, Delphox, Decidueye, and Primarina. You and your lines are gone.
Number of starters purged: 36
Total number of Pokemon purged: 116
As far as I remember, the previous gens Pokemon have never been available in the first game of a new generation, so I doubt Incineroar (despite its popularity) is safe. Maybe this will be another rule which is broken but I just don't see any Alolan starter making it. Also the idea of only have one starter from the trio from any region doesn't make sense to me
I personally have a feeling that all the Gen 6 starters will be back this time round as each of them are based on something quite prevalent in the UK - foxes, frogs and hedgehogs (and chesnuts too).
Agree on Gen 2 and Gen 4 missing out as they each have at least one evo line which doesn't really fit with the ecosystem (unless there's a substory about species escaping from a PokeZoo)
Not sure if they'll include another starter set (guess it depends on what the total Pokedex count is) but if they did I think they might go Gen 5 over 3, purely on the fact that gen 3 were included more recently where gen 5 weren't available (US/UM)
Nah I appreciate it but I'm kinda done with this whole thing.
To actually contribute something though I feel like the fact we're approaching Gen 4 remakes might affect there decision making.
Whether that might make them put more or less Gen 4 Mons in there I'm not sure though.
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So.... Mawile is in.
Does it make it more or less likely that Mega evolutions designs will be recycled into Gigantamax forms?
My only issue with this is the turn limitation. Mega Mawile is very good, yes, but a Mega Mawile limited to 3 turns leaves you with a shitty regular Mawile ready to die...
So unless they redo the stats of the regular one, which they could, I don't see the point.
I have the same issue with Lopunny.
I love Mega Lopunny and I used it a ton, but if I only have it for three turns and if I use the first turn to fake out, that's a veeeery limited use.
Does it make it more or less likely that Mega evolutions designs will be recycled into Gigantamax forms?
My only issue with this is the turn limitation. Mega Mawile is very good, yes, but a Mega Mawile limited to 3 turns leaves you with a shitty regular Mawile ready to die...
So unless they redo the stats of the regular one, which they could, I don't see the point.
I have the same issue with Lopunny.
I love Mega Lopunny and I used it a ton, but if I only have it for three turns and if I use the first turn to fake out, that's a veeeery limited use.
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I'm quite happy Gastrodon finally made it knto a trailer, a competitive one even better, as this is where it usually shines.
Ok, it was to show it getting an hydro pump in the face (blasphemy!), but still!
Now I really wish they would show Trevenant already... Gourgeist availability makes me nervous...
And while I'm on Gen 6, I can't believe Talonflame is still unaccounted for! Maybe a Galarian form?
Ok, it was to show it getting an hydro pump in the face (blasphemy!), but still!
Now I really wish they would show Trevenant already... Gourgeist availability makes me nervous...
And while I'm on Gen 6, I can't believe Talonflame is still unaccounted for! Maybe a Galarian form?
Gastrodon is one of my favorite Pokémon, great design, great cry and lots of fun to battle.
So far GF is at least making a good selection, but I'm still worried it will be gen 1 and 4 biased by a good margin. Gen 1 because pandering, gen 4 because remake is coming.
So far GF is at least making a good selection, but I'm still worried it will be gen 1 and 4 biased by a good margin. Gen 1 because pandering, gen 4 because remake is coming.
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If it's anything, Gen 5 is actually in the lead at the moment with 41 pokemon represented compared to Gen 1's 40.
Now that might change by launch, But it's interesting to even see a distribution like that at this stage.
I really don't get why you'd purge only Articuno, OP. It doesn't make any sense to have Zapdos and Moltres but leave the first one out of the game.
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Me too, it's very fun to use and it's ability is great without being OP (the x4 weakness to Grass helps).
As KillstealWolf explained, it's very balanced so far!
I hope he doesn't mind if I quote him from the other thread...
See? Pretty good.
What's weird is that 33% of Gen 6 is there... we so few Pokémon.
The percentage of Gen 7 will probably be quite weird too as a huge part of the Regional Dex were Legendaries.
It's just less used than the other two, even if it would be really weird to have 2/3 of the trio and I really don't think they would.
Yeah I'm aware of the current split, but I still fear the last month being "here is all of gen 1/4".
I'm not following your logic. Why would they include most of the Sinnoh Pokemon if they intended on releasing a Gen 4 remake soon after? I would expect the opposite - holding them back from Sword/Shield to increase demand for the remake.
For the same reason gen 1 and 3 had the most Mega Evolutions in XY.
They gave more Gen III Pokemon Mega Evolutions because they knew a remake was coming and they wanted the focus to remain on those Pokemon. But were Gen III Pokemon disproportionately represented in the Kalos dex?
For reference, the Kalos dex was made up of:
- 73.5% of all Kanto Pokemon (111/151).
- 42% of all Johto Pokemon (63/150).
- 58.5% of all Hoenn Pokemon (79/135).
- 48.5% of all Sinnoh Pokemon (52/107).
- 51.2% of all Unova Pokemon (80/156).
I could understand the logic if your argument was that more Gen 4 Pokemon will receive regional forms, but it really has no bearing on how many Gen 4 Pokemon will be in the game.
Edit: And considering that they've ditched the National Dex, I'd say it's more likely that they include the fewest amount of Pokemon from whichever game they plan on remaking next. Which might be Let's Go Johto tbh.
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Now that the game has been out for a month, how well did I do?
Nailed it!
Well, I almost nailed it.
I can't believe Shedinja's line survived and that Pyukumuku got to keep doing whatever Pyukumuku does.
Nailed it too.
For now.
This is where I got too creative for my own good.
Or maybe I just liked Zapdos and Suicune too much.
Nailed it.
Nope!
But, in my defense, Game Freak was less concerned about competitive play than me, as will be clear later on.
Wrong!
For now...
You've gotta admit it doesn't make sense, right?
I should have stopped there.
I didn't.
I still can't believe only Charizard made the cut.
For now. I'm a little bit better if we look further down the line, but not by much.
Easy.
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
I was SO CLOSE to getting them all right!
Nailed it.
(Well, except the Noctowl regional evo.)
Wrong.
As I said earlier, many competitive mainstays were cut.
I blame Game Freak, it doesn't make sense, this choice is backward!
Correct!
Technically correct!
(The best kind of correct.)
Except for Beedrill (because of my ridiculous reasoning), I was correct on all counts.
I was especially correct here.
Which I shouldn't have done because I'm now unable to list all Pokémon purged by type (haven't found the list everywhere).
At least Spiritomb is gone, so I was wrong.
But I feel not too many Ghosts were purged actually, so I was kinda correct.
Spheal is gone, you guys!
(And Jynx, I guess, which I could totally have predicted.)
I was wrong.
Not only about Druddigon, who cares, but I can't believe they cut Dragonite and Garchomp. I would never have guessed.
Jigglypuff is gone, you guys!
Well, no shit.
I'm counting this as a yes.
What was I thinking?
I stand by my harshness, even if I was wrong.
I can't believe they cut Metagross!
Yeah!
I hate that I have to put my Switch upside down to evolve them.
Yeah, that was an ambitious call on my part.
Turns out I didn't have to choose between the two lines!
It wasn't
And Game Freak hates me.
Maybe Game Freak doesn't hate me?
(I'm not using it until Incineroar comes back, though.)
Yeha, they were heartless with there newer designs here.
I wish!
Turns out "I just don't get you" was not a criteria of interest for Game Freak.
Wrong, and can't believe Binacle made it.
Called this one perfectly.
That too.
Not that, unfortunately.
Wrong!
But why?
Yep.
Got this one backward, and I miss Alolan Muk.
I'm actually quite happy to have been wrong about Garbodor.
Would have been amazing to have been right!
They lived to get haunted by Corsola, I couldn't have predicted that!
Not bad!
Yeah, wrong here, I should have kept it.
Can't believe Heatmore made it, and I really have let go of Megas earlier.
52% correct!
I take that as a victory.
I was very wrong here, even Mr Mime was kinda wrong.
At least Game Freak agrees that Drowzee and Hypno are creepy.
What's the opposite of correct?
What's with my and bad prediction lately?
Saved by logic, good, accurate logic.
I won't change my mind!
I was very on the mark here, go me!
Why do I keep doing that to myself?
Yeah.
Eff you Baculin, Mantyke and Mantine, you fishes.
Who doesn't like crabs, though?
To this day, I still don't get it.
Wrong.
And aren't we all happy about it?
Who knew I would be conservative in my purge?
Nailed it!
Well, I almost nailed it.
I can't believe Shedinja's line survived and that Pyukumuku got to keep doing whatever Pyukumuku does.
Nailed it too.
For now.
This is where I got too creative for my own good.
Or maybe I just liked Zapdos and Suicune too much.
Nailed it.
Nope!
But, in my defense, Game Freak was less concerned about competitive play than me, as will be clear later on.
Wrong!
For now...
You've gotta admit it doesn't make sense, right?
I should have stopped there.
I didn't.
I still can't believe only Charizard made the cut.
For now. I'm a little bit better if we look further down the line, but not by much.
Easy.
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
I was SO CLOSE to getting them all right!
Nailed it.
(Well, except the Noctowl regional evo.)
Wrong.
As I said earlier, many competitive mainstays were cut.
I blame Game Freak, it doesn't make sense, this choice is backward!
Correct!
Technically correct!
(The best kind of correct.)
Except for Beedrill (because of my ridiculous reasoning), I was correct on all counts.
I was especially correct here.
Which I shouldn't have done because I'm now unable to list all Pokémon purged by type (haven't found the list everywhere).
At least Spiritomb is gone, so I was wrong.
But I feel not too many Ghosts were purged actually, so I was kinda correct.
Spheal is gone, you guys!
(And Jynx, I guess, which I could totally have predicted.)
I was wrong.
Not only about Druddigon, who cares, but I can't believe they cut Dragonite and Garchomp. I would never have guessed.
Jigglypuff is gone, you guys!
Well, no shit.
I'm counting this as a yes.
What was I thinking?
I stand by my harshness, even if I was wrong.
I can't believe they cut Metagross!
Yeah!
I hate that I have to put my Switch upside down to evolve them.
Yeah, that was an ambitious call on my part.
Turns out I didn't have to choose between the two lines!
It wasn't
And Game Freak hates me.
Maybe Game Freak doesn't hate me?
(I'm not using it until Incineroar comes back, though.)
Yeha, they were heartless with there newer designs here.
I wish!
Turns out "I just don't get you" was not a criteria of interest for Game Freak.
Wrong, and can't believe Binacle made it.
Called this one perfectly.
That too.
Not that, unfortunately.
Wrong!
But why?
Yep.
Got this one backward, and I miss Alolan Muk.
I'm actually quite happy to have been wrong about Garbodor.
Would have been amazing to have been right!
They lived to get haunted by Corsola, I couldn't have predicted that!
Not bad!
Yeah, wrong here, I should have kept it.
Can't believe Heatmore made it, and I really have let go of Megas earlier.
52% correct!
I take that as a victory.
I was very wrong here, even Mr Mime was kinda wrong.
At least Game Freak agrees that Drowzee and Hypno are creepy.
What's the opposite of correct?
What's with my and bad prediction lately?
Saved by logic, good, accurate logic.
I won't change my mind!
I was very on the mark here, go me!
Why do I keep doing that to myself?
Yeah.
Eff you Baculin, Mantyke and Mantine, you fishes.
Who doesn't like crabs, though?
To this day, I still don't get it.
Wrong.
And aren't we all happy about it?
Who knew I would be conservative in my purge?
