The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles |OT| Ace Ancestor

MaxAugust · Aug 8, 2021

Leo said:
Lol where did this guy get this info? It sounds like he made it all up, honestly

Some of the info is from this interview. I have definitely seen it mentioned elsewhere before too but frankly, I don't have the time to go dredging through interviews.

Also, as mentioned in the video, Suekane Kuniko who was one of the seven people who made the original game does BL doujinshi. It is really not very suprising.

HardRojo · Aug 8, 2021

Been playing slowly, still on case 1-2. Why does the cursor during scene examination feel so sluggish? I'm on PS5 btw. Is it the stick deadzone? Is it the 30 fps?

mrmickfran · Aug 8, 2021

Chaserjoey said:
I think I had to inspect the latch for that to open up. Is it not selectable? That's a pretty shitty glitch, it's a great thing to inspect.

Yeah I pointed right on it the first time but nothing.

Later on in the case I was able to for some reason

Shahadan · Aug 8, 2021

The frequency of some special animations is annoying as fuck. The defendant in 1-4 in particular with his Ginyu poses. Make more animations or just dial it back a bit.

Also the Jury, Witnesses, and Sholmes mechanics are cool and all....but ultimately they're just a huge waste of time because they don't add anything different than before besides variety during a trial/investigation.
Well, pitting a jury member against another has potential at least, we'll see.

Lumination · Aug 8, 2021

Shahadan said:
The frequency of some special animations is annoying as fuck. The defendant in 1-4 in particular with his Ginyu poses. Make more animations or just dial it back a bit.

That was the only character I didn't like because they got so tiresome. Thinking about them as ginyu poses might've helped a bit haha.

mrmickfran · Aug 8, 2021

McGilded more like McGrilleded lol

LiquidDom · Aug 8, 2021

Just beat 2-2, interesting case as far as wrapping up some threads from the first game. Can't wait to continue!

kami_sama · Aug 8, 2021

I finished the first game yesterday.
Took 36 hours, damn is it meaty. For reference the Trilogy took me 40 hours.
And now I can't start GAA2 because I will be out for a week.

I need to know what happens to Susato's dad! Will they tell Iris what happened to his father? What is the issue with the manuscript???? So many loose ends!

Leeness · Aug 8, 2021

Well..

This is going in a different direction than I thought. I don't think Shamspeare and Green are in cahoots now… but I do think Green is involved. I'm wondering if Shamspeare is the convict that is said to be dead but perhaps he escaped? And Duncan Ross is definitely related to Green, so maybe she's relating them and going after Shamspeare.

Guess I'll seeeeee…

Galkinator · Aug 8, 2021

Fantastical said:
'm not really liking how it seems like these cases are less like the older games where you inspect the scene, talk to people beforehand, get all your clues, and then make sense of them during the trial. You barely have any clues pre-trial and you don't even inspect the crime scene. Instead you're supposed to press and press and then randomly get new evidence added as the trial continues. That's always been true to a certain extent but it's a little annoying talking to people and having no real ideas until you just press and get some added evidence or notice someone make a noise and get testimony amended. Again, some of this stuff is series staples and I'm just shocked by how little evidence there was pre-trial despite a somewhat lengthy pre-trial investigation.

I definitely thought about it too, but in-game it makes sense as Ryunosuke is being tested as soon as he arrives at London, and he wants to prove himself amidst those semi-racists.
I guess Soseki being a Japanese student is a big factor in why he decided to represent him as well, as both him and Susato are sympathizing with him. Though it was somewhat refreshing for him not to be on trial for murder.
This game definitely isn't structurally similar to previous AA games, for better or worse. I haven't started the 2nd game yet, but I wouldn't mind it being more classic with its approach.

ze_ · Aug 8, 2021

Fantastical said:
'm not really liking how it seems like these cases are less like the older games where you inspect the scene, talk to people beforehand, get all your clues, and then make sense of them during the trial. You barely have any clues pre-trial and you don't even inspect the crime scene. Instead you're supposed to press and press and then randomly get new evidence added as the trial continues. That's always been true to a certain extent but it's a little annoying talking to people and having no real ideas until you just press and get some added evidence or notice someone make a noise and get testimony amended. Again, some of this stuff is series staples and I'm just shocked by how little evidence there was pre-trial despite a somewhat lengthy pre-trial investigation.

From a gameplay standpoint I think your critique holds, but there are strong story motivations for the lack of information and evidence Ryunosuke has before heading into court for episodes 3 and 4. Take 1-4 specifically: imo, it was clearly written around specific narrative goals. To lazily copypaste a comment I made earlier in the thread when I went through it... Ryunosuke is faced with an impossible defendant's plea that makes it seem like a phantom stabbed the woman. So you go through the investigation phase with anecdotes but little more than lint in the court record: there's nothing to collect, and the police are prejudiced to boot. This makes sense for the character beats they're trying to hit: Ryunosuke was hoping to find his answer to the question of whether he will defend Soseki somewhere on Briar Road, but as Sherlock helps him realize, no, that's an answer he has to find within himself.

GAA1 arguably sacrifices the mystery and puzzle mechanisms to focus on character and world building, and so fwiw, I'll say that GAA2 is pretty much back to normal.

Clay · Aug 8, 2021

I wish there were separate threads for each case. It's kind of annoying going back through the thread every time I beat a case to find spoilered posts I can now read, lol.

After beating 1-3 I think I'm seeing what people mean by the overarching plot.

It seems like the chief justice guy is somehow involved with McGilded. He said something along the lines of it having been impossible for me to have lost the case, which I'm assuming means he knew that the smoke bomb and evidence tampering were going to happen.

I'm really curious to get more details. If he knew about what was going to happen to the bus then I would think he also had a hand in the fire and McGilded's death, but if his death was planned then why did it matter that he be declared innocent?

Reinhard · Aug 8, 2021

Boy their jury selection is completely incompetent in this alternate reality.

The foreman of the jury is prejudiced against the defendant's lawyer since you just basically accused him of murder 2 days ago. Two of the jurors are potential witnesses for the case (in the book shop and working on the street). Another juror knows the defendant personally and from what I suspect might be further involved due to her temper tantrum at the exact same time as the assault with a deadly weapon....

I guess voire dire doesn't exist in this world and they just don't care if jury members are associated with the case... Well the entire jury system is ridiculous for multiple reasons anyway such as the throwing of mystical fireballs onto the scales of justice and not having to listen to the prosecutor's or defense witenesses as long as all the jury members immediately agree that the defendant is guilty. Of course they aren't going to make the game anything like real English law, but I feel like they could have done a much better job with the jury system and not have the jury members coincidentally associated with the case/lawyer/defendant somehow.

deanna_beanna · Aug 8, 2021

Is there a Speedrun method to these games? Like, if you do certain things at the appropriate time you can skip a small section (like choosing the right option won't make a jury member think guilty extending the case) or is it the same motion every time?

Magnet_Man · Aug 8, 2021

deanna_beanna said:
Is there a Speedrun method to these games? Like, if you do certain things at the appropriate time you can skip a small section (like choosing the right option won't make a jury member think guilty extending the case) or is it the same motion every time?

Jury verdicts are part of the narrative; there is no gameplay mechanic to how they come to their decision

You can speed run testimony and investigation phases if you only press or present when needed. The Story Mode function is useful for this

deanna_beanna · Aug 8, 2021

Magnet_Man said:
Jury verdicts are part of the narrative; there is no gameplay mechanic to how they come to their decision

You can speed run testimony and investigation phases if you only press or present when needed. The Story Mode function is useful for this

Thanks, I'm in no rush, was just curious if choosing a wrong piece of evidence or something affected the jury

Pangorogoro · Aug 8, 2021

I'm in the trial of 1-5, and this case has really failed to capture me. I'm hoping it gets a little more exciting.

syncyes · Aug 8, 2021

I think I may be losing it, I just beat GAA and I can't figure out how to get to GAA2 from the menus LOL

I had to check a video let's play online to figure it out, what a...lack of deduction ability!

Kain-Nosgoth · Aug 8, 2021

GAA2 Case 3 spoilers (after the first trial)

I already had my suspicion when visiting Van Ziek and his apprentice... Naruhodo feeling the apprentice was familiar, and him sitting japanese style on a zabuton with a small table... Kazuma? I was affraid that they would do something dumb like that... but now susato says his body was never recovered... uuugh.... i don't think any explanation would make me satisfied with something like that... sure you can explain it by saying everyone lied and it's even a bigger conspiracy, but meeeeh

I really hope i'm wrong and this isn't happening...

Lafazar · Aug 8, 2021

syncyes said:
I think I may be losing it, I just beat GAA and I can't figure out how to get to GAA2 from the menus LOL

I had to check a video let's play online to figure it out, what a...lack of deduction ability!

I had exactly the same problem. For some reason I did not register the black arrows on the side of the screen for the longest time, even when specifically looking for anything that would allow me to select the second game.

Imho the game has a number of UI issues, especially when playing with a mouse on PC.

Moogle · Aug 8, 2021

Leeness said:
I've always thought Edgeworth was super into Phoenix, and Phoenix is kind of a confused bi who is obsessed with Edgeworth but hasn't come to terms with how obsessed he is (at least in the main trilogy).

Jintor · Aug 8, 2021

Kain-Nosgoth said:
GAA2 Case 3 spoilers (after the first trial)

I already had my suspicion when visiting Van Ziek and his apprentice... Naruhodo feeling the apprentice was familiar, and him sitting japanese style on a zabuton with a small table... Kazuma? I was affraid that they would do something dumb like that... but now susato says his body was never recovered... uuugh.... i don't think any explanation would make me satisfied with something like that... sure you can explain it by saying everyone lied and it's even a bigger conspiracy, but meeeeh

I really hope i'm wrong and this isn't happening...

Trust the process bro

Surakian · Aug 8, 2021

VegiHam said:
Well yeah, there isn't really any time during the main trilogy for any processing, they're both busy throwing themselves at any passing drama and then heroically rescuing each other. I assume they'd get it figured out at some point during Nick's Grape Juice and Poker phase.

Leeness said:
Totally!

Though Edgeworth would probably be disgusted by Grape Juice and Poker 😭

Actually, Edgeworth had to have been somewhat fine with his Grape Juice and Poker phase since he would fly Phoenix and Trucy out to Europe whenever he needed Phoenix's help on his cases. In Dual Destinies, there are a few lines of text that state Edgeworth would regularly fly them out. I think DD, but absolutely SoJ has lines about how Edgeworth would attend Trucy's magic shows when he'd come visit Japanifornia.

Idk many friendships where a guy is willing to regularly spend thousands to fly their disgraced friend out to help him on his casework for 7 years, and also regularly attend disgraced friend's daughter's shows.

I'm sure Phoenix's unkempt look was offensive, but he couldn't have minded too much to be willing to be in close contact with him for those 7 years.

VegiHam · Aug 8, 2021

Surakian said:
Actually, Edgeworth had to have been somewhat fine with his Grape Juice and Poker phase since he would fly Phoenix and Trucy out to Europe whenever he needed Phoenix's help on his cases. In Dual Destinies, there are a few lines of text that state Edgeworth would regularly fly them out. I think DD, but absolutely SoJ has lines about how Edgeworth would attend Trucy's magic shows when he'd come visit Japanifornia.

Idk many friendships where a guy is willing to regularly spend thousands to fly their disgraced friend out to help him on his casework for 7 years, and also regularly attend disgraced friend's daughter's shows.

I'm sure Phoenix's unkempt look was offensive, but he couldn't have minded too much to be willing to be in close contact with him for those 7 years.

I agree! That's what I was trying to say, that after the whirlwind events of the trilogy they get some time to settle down into this dynamic.

Redcrayon · Aug 8, 2021

Really enjoying this, but one thing stuck out to me so far.
Spoilers for case 1-3

So McGilded. An Irishman, who is naturally continually commented on as being of diminutive stature again and again and incredibly, unbelievably wealthy, being able to buy London outright. While starting with 'top o' the morning to ya' and throwing money at people. So he's a leprechaun then. Given that the game handles discrimination, prejudice and racism (of the Brit characters) really well so far, it feels like it treads pretty close to the line on cultural stereotypes in that characterisation of an Irish character living in London at that time. Nobody puts it down to him being Irish, which is one thing, but it's still a really weird thing to lean into. At one point I was expecting them to have him reveal a bloody pot of gold under his seat or something .

Deleted member 34949 · Aug 8, 2021

Surakian said:
Actually, Edgeworth had to have been somewhat fine with his Grape Juice and Poker phase since he would fly Phoenix and Trucy out to Europe whenever he needed Phoenix's help on his cases. In Dual Destinies, there are a few lines of text that state Edgeworth would regularly fly them out. I think DD, but absolutely SoJ has lines about how Edgeworth would attend Trucy's magic shows when he'd come visit Japanifornia.

I know for sure DD mentions Edgeworth going to Trucy's shows, yeah.

Lucreto · Aug 8, 2021

Probably mentioned a dozen times already but I noticed at the animation at the start of Chapter 3 all the names on the shops.

Cleese and Palin tailers and Idle and Jones.

I liked the nod there.

afreaknamedpete · Aug 8, 2021

Case 2-3 feels like a damn final case more so than 1-5. I think this is my favorite ace attorney case period, I thought I had the case solved in like the first hour of the story and it managed to completely do a 180. I'm not sure what the word is to describe it, but that feeling you get when everything "clicks" and you go from constantly losing to turning the tables is something I only get from this series and man I didn't realize how much I missed it.

Redcrayon · Aug 8, 2021

Lucreto said:
Probably mentioned a dozen times already but I noticed at the animation at the start of Chapter 3 all the names on the shops.

Cleese and Palin tailers and Idle and Jones.

I liked the nod there.

Did you spot the 'Phoenix Wright omnibus' sign on the bus :D

Lucreto · Aug 8, 2021

Redcrayon said:
Did you spot the 'Phoenix Wright omnibus' sign on the bus :D

I missed that one. I have to watch it again I was busy looking for Chapman and Gilliam to complete the set.

Redcrayon · Aug 8, 2021

Lucreto said:
I missed that one. I have to watch it again I was busy looking for Chapman and Gilliam to complete the set.

Ah It was only visable at the crime scene in court I think

hersheyfan · Aug 8, 2021

Just finished 1-2, havent had time to play much lately (and these cases are long)!

I need to ask, did they ever explain this anywhere in the text?

Nina only met and talked to Kazuma at 1:00AM, right? And his dead body was found in the morning? If so, even given that the ship crew were all on her side (including the chefs, who spiked the chicken with sleeping drugs), how would the chefs have known to drug the chicken if dinner time happened several hours before the actual meeting and murder?

I liked the case otherwise, but that part is really bothering me. Did I just misunderstand or fail to catch something?

Magnet_Man · Aug 8, 2021

hersheyfan said:
Just finished 1-2, havent had time to play much lately (and these cases are long)!

I need to ask, did they ever explain this anywhere in the text?

Nina only met and talked to Kazuma at 1:00AM, right? And his dead body was found in the morning? If so, even given that the ship crew were all on her side (including the chefs, who spiked the chicken with sleeping drugs), how would the chefs have known to drug the chicken if dinner time happened several hours before the actual meeting and murder?

I liked the case otherwise, but that part is really bothering me. Did I just misunderstand or fail to catch something?

The chicken was drugged so that the passengers wouldn't notice the ship making a stop (not emergency stop) to pick up Nikolina nor her being escorted to the VIP rooms. That could only be done if every crew member was in on the plan to pick her up, which they were because she's like family to them and they wanted to help her escape Russia. Bif took advantage of that situation in order to help cover Kazuma's accidental death, unaware that Niko was lying to him about it too.

Jintor · Aug 8, 2021

afreaknamedpete said:
Case 2-3 feels like a damn final case more so than 1-5. I think this is my favorite ace attorney case period, I thought I had the case solved in like the first hour of the story and it managed to completely do a 180. I'm not sure what the word is to describe it, but that feeling you get when everything "clicks" and you go from constantly losing to turning the tables is something I only get from this series and man I didn't realize how much I missed it.

That's Gyakuten, baby! The Turnabout!

hersheyfan · Aug 8, 2021

Magnet_Man said:
The chicken was drugged so that the passengers wouldn't notice the ship making a stop (not emergency stop) to pick up Nikolina nor her being escorted to the VIP rooms. That could only be done if every crew member was in on the plan to pick her up, which they were because she's like family to them and they wanted to help her escape Russia. Bif took advantage of that situation in order to help cover Kazuma's accidental death, unaware that Niko was lying to him about it too.

Ah, I must have missed that bolded part (I got everything else). If the mass drugging was done to cover up Nina getting onto the ship in the first place (and transporting her to her room under her secret identity), then it at least isn't a plot hole (which is what I was worried about).

Thanks for clearing that up!

Kain-Nosgoth · Aug 8, 2021

love this new character design in case 2-3

i'm on the second part of the case, up until now i figured everything right, all that's missing are hard evidences, so i wonder what else will the game will do to surprise me... aside the lame

Kazuma reveal + cliché amnesia

Still hoping it's all fake

Fantastical · Aug 8, 2021

ze_ said:
From a gameplay standpoint I think your critique holds, but there are strong story motivations for the lack of information and evidence Ryunosuke has before heading into court for episodes 3 and 4. Take 1-4 specifically: imo, it was clearly written around specific narrative goals. To lazily copypaste a comment I made earlier in the thread when I went through it... Ryunosuke is faced with an impossible defendant's plea that makes it seem like a phantom stabbed the woman. So you go through the investigation phase with anecdotes but little more than lint in the court record: there's nothing to collect, and the police are prejudiced to boot. This makes sense for the character beats they're trying to hit: Ryunosuke was hoping to find his answer to the question of whether he will defend Soseki somewhere on Briar Road, but as Sherlock helps him realize, no, that's an answer he has to find within himself.

GAA1 arguably sacrifices the mystery and puzzle mechanisms to focus on character and world building, and so fwiw, I'll say that GAA2 is pretty much back to normal.

Yeah, I think it makes sense narratively and could be interesting, unfortunately I just find it pretty tedious. Like twice now cross examining the police officer and his wife, after pressing the wife just chimes in with new crucial information when she senses you doubting her. Previously in a AA game, I think you would have found that rose at the crime scene and presented it at some point when she alluded to dropping something. Just way more interesting to me to have all these loosely connected threads pre-trial that you sort together in the trial. I do like the foreigner in a strange, hostile land angle just want my juicy murder, investigative trials as well.

I was hopeful the second would be different so glad to hear that.

Lusankya · Aug 8, 2021

edit: never mind

Aprikurt · Aug 8, 2021

Fantastical said:
Yeah, I think it makes sense narratively and could be interesting, unfortunately I just find it pretty tedious. Like twice now cross examining the police officer and his wife, after pressing the wife just chimes in with new crucial information when she senses you doubting her. Previously in a AA game, I think you would have found that rose at the crime scene and presented it at some point when she alluded to dropping something. Just way more interesting to me to have all these loosely connected threads pre-trial that you sort together in the trial. I do like the foreigner in a strange, hostile land angle just want my juicy murder, investigative trials as well.

I was hopeful the second would be different so glad to hear that.

That dopy ass policeman did my absolute nut in. Useless tit.

HardRojo · Aug 8, 2021

Man, case 1-2 is a series of unfortunate events.

Leeness · Aug 8, 2021

kaebie said:

:D

Surakian said:
Actually, Edgeworth had to have been somewhat fine with his Grape Juice and Poker phase since he would fly Phoenix and Trucy out to Europe whenever he needed Phoenix's help on his cases. In Dual Destinies, there are a few lines of text that state Edgeworth would regularly fly them out. I think DD, but absolutely SoJ has lines about how Edgeworth would attend Trucy's magic shows when he'd come visit Japanifornia.

Idk many friendships where a guy is willing to regularly spend thousands to fly their disgraced friend out to help him on his casework for 7 years, and also regularly attend disgraced friend's daughter's shows.

I'm sure Phoenix's unkempt look was offensive, but he couldn't have minded too much to be willing to be in close contact with him for those 7 years.

That's right! I don't remember much about Dual Destinies lol. I couldn't remember if that was canon or a fandom thing haha.

FulcrumTK · Aug 8, 2021

Redcrayon said:
Really enjoying this, but one thing stuck out to me so far.
Spoilers for case 1-3

So McGilded. An Irishman, who is naturally continually commented on as being of diminutive stature again and again and incredibly, unbelievably wealthy, being able to buy London outright. While starting with 'top o' the morning to ya' and throwing money at people. So he's a leprechaun then. Given that the game handles discrimination, prejudice and racism (of the Brit characters) really well so far, it feels like it treads pretty close to the line on cultural stereotypes in that characterisation of an Irish character living in London at that time. Nobody puts it down to him being Irish, which is one thing, but it's still a really weird thing to lean into. At one point I was expecting them to have him reveal a bloody pot of gold under his seat or something .

The weird thing is, judging by the TV Tropes page, McGilded wasn't stated to be Irish in the Japanese release.

underFlorence · Aug 8, 2021

Redcrayon said:
Really enjoying this, but one thing stuck out to me so far.
Spoilers for case 1-3

So McGilded. An Irishman, who is naturally continually commented on as being of diminutive stature again and again and incredibly, unbelievably wealthy, being able to buy London outright. While starting with 'top o' the morning to ya' and throwing money at people. So he's a leprechaun then. Given that the game handles discrimination, prejudice and racism (of the Brit characters) really well so far, it feels like it treads pretty close to the line on cultural stereotypes in that characterisation of an Irish character living in London at that time. Nobody puts it down to him being Irish, which is one thing, but it's still a really weird thing to lean into. At one point I was expecting them to have him reveal a bloody pot of gold under his seat or something .

Interestingly enough, the characterization of McGilded as Irish is something introduced in this localization - neither the original nor the fan translation have that aspect. So I wonder if the localizers saw that behavior and cast him as Irish because of that? I've also heard people speculating it might've been a way for Naruhodu to bond over his immigrant aspects vs. McGilded being Irish in Britain. That said, I can definitely see how that characterization falls into stereotyping now that McGilded is Irish.

Redcrayon · Aug 8, 2021

FulcrumTK said:
The weird thing is, judging by the TV Tropes page, McGilded wasn't stated to be Irish in the Japanese release.

underFlo said:
Interestingly enough, the characterization of McGilded as Irish is something introduced in this localization - neither the original nor the fan translation have that aspect. So I wonder if the localizers saw that behavior and cast him as Irish because of that? I've also heard people speculating it might've been a way for Naruhodu to bond over his immigrant aspects vs. McGilded being Irish in Britain. That said, I can definitely see how that characterization falls into stereotyping now that McGilded is Irish.

Cheers both, that's absolutely fascinating.

So the localisers changed the country he's from in a game with a lot to say about Empire, to one that was suffering the effects of British colonisation, without realising the dialogue may then be playing into a stereotype? I can see how it could have been done with good intentions, maybe I'm giving it an uncharitable read, it just stood me it to me is all, when I like how the prejudice and racism in play is handled elsewhere so far. Maybe it was a read that 'Irish=immigrant' to the localiser, that could make sense even if it felt immediately a bit awkward to me given than anti-Irish sentiment in London at the time was rife.

Crushed · Aug 8, 2021

Redcrayon said:
Really enjoying this, but one thing stuck out to me so far.
Spoilers for case 1-3

So McGilded. An Irishman, who is naturally continually commented on as being of diminutive stature again and again and incredibly, unbelievably wealthy, being able to buy London outright. While starting with 'top o' the morning to ya' and throwing money at people. So he's a leprechaun then. Given that the game handles discrimination, prejudice and racism (of the Brit characters) really well so far, it feels like it treads pretty close to the line on cultural stereotypes in that characterisation of an Irish character living in London at that time. Nobody puts it down to him being Irish, which is one thing, but it's still a really weird thing to lean into. At one point I was expecting them to have him reveal a bloody pot of gold under his seat or something .

So. I have a very different take on this (why I think the localizers made this decision) from what other people have offered so far, but I couldn't tell from your post how far you were into 1-3.

Redcrayon · Aug 8, 2021

Crushed said:
So. I have a very different take on this (why I think the localizers made this decision) from what other people have offered so far, but I couldn't tell from your post how far you were into 1-3.

Ah, I've finished it, about to head to court in 1-4! Would love to hear your take on it. I'm playing an American copy if that makes any difference

Surakian · Aug 8, 2021

VegiHam said:
I agree! That's what I was trying to say, that after the whirlwind events of the trilogy they get some time to settle down into this dynamic.

Yeah xD seems like those 7 years were their domestic years.

Seven Force said:
I know for sure DD mentions Edgeworth going to Trucy's shows, yeah.

Oh good, glad I'm not misremembering.

Leeness said:
That's right! I don't remember much about Dual Destinies lol. I couldn't remember if that was canon or a fandom thing haha.

Haha yeah, sometimes fanon spreads, but yeah this was absolutely canonical.

Cassius Bright · Aug 8, 2021

Durden said:
Oh fuck yeah! I'll just snag it on iOS. Regardless of chronological stuff, I'd rather finish that story before starting this one. Thanks peeps

The iOS releases of AJ, DD and SoJ are excellent and probably the best way to play those games right now to be honest. Much, much better than the iOS releases of the original trilogy, which had all sorts of issues.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on SoJ...it's actually still my favourite game in the series, just very narrowly edging out TaT.

Crushed · Aug 8, 2021

Redcrayon said:
Ah, I've finished it, about to head to court in 1-4! Would love to hear your take on it.

Well.

As everyone has said, he originally was not Irish. His original name was "Cosney Megundal," which is not a real name in the slightest, but an Anglicized transliteration of a Japanese phrase for offering someone money (to reflect his outward persona as a philanthropist and his true identity as a loan shark).

I wondered why they made this change while playing 1-3 until some things stood out to me.

-He's depicted as having made his fortune through money lending at high interest and terrorizing "respectable" people for the loan payments. The fan translation has van Zieks call him a usurer, which is the religious term for charging exorbitant interest on a loan; the official localization calls him a shylock
-He's a greedy Victorian-era villain with so much money that he can control everyone around him
-He induces a child pickpocket in the slums of London to work for him as part of his criminal activities

"Deceptive, rich money lender who extorts Englishmen, is all powerful due to his wealth, and induces children to crime" is certainly a stereotype in Victorian English literature, but it's not an Irish stereotype.

As soon as van Zieks said "shylock," I immediately wondered if someone on the localization team caught that implication and decided to give McGilded an explicitly stated different ethnic identity to weaken the implication.

Redcrayon · Aug 8, 2021

Crushed said:
Well.

As everyone has said, he originally was not Irish. His original name was "Cosney Megundal," which is not a real name in the slightest, but an Anglicized transliteration of a Japanese phrase for offering someone money (to reflect his outward persona as a philanthropist and his true identity as a loan shark).

I wondered why they made this change while playing 1-3 until some things stood out to me.

-He's depicted as having made his fortune through money lending at high interest and terrorizing "respectable" people for the loan payments. The fan translation has van Zieks call him a usurer, which is the religious term for charging exorbitant interest on a loan; the official localization calls him a shylock
-He's a greedy Victorian-era villain with so much money that he can control everyone around him
-He induces a child pickpocket in the slums of London to work for him as part of his criminal activities

"Deceptive, rich money lender who extorts Englishmen, is all powerful due to his wealth, and induces children to crime" is certainly a stereotype in Victorian English literature, but it's not an Irish stereotype.

As soon as van Zieks said "shylock," I immediately wondered if someone on the localization team caught that implication and decided to give McGilded an explicitly stated different ethnic identity to weaken the implication.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense, thanks. It's certainly way better than a direct localisation then. Maybe the mild stereotype they landed on instead is just unfortunate as a more obscure (but way less harmful) one then, and it also explains why nobody touches on anti-Irish sentiment in the script too if he wasn't ever Irish to start with.

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Saw the truth behind the copied door

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One Winged Slayer

Patient hunter

Patient hunter

Patient hunter