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Jombie

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,392
It has the right ending, and I'm so glad they had the balls to do it. It's beautiful and life-affirming.
 

Trundl_e

Member
Jan 30, 2021
317
I honestly didn't like it, it made me feel uncomfortable, but I loved how unusual it was for a primetime sitcom to go out that way. Enough so for me to say it was an overall good thing.
 

AniHawk

No Fear, Only Math
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,162

This scene. Just this scene. I nearly started crying just watching it again


a week before i went to pax east last year, i visited my uncle. he was in the hospital, but he'd been in the hospital a lot recently for things like fluid in the lungs and the sort. he was supposed to go on a diet and didn't want to. but we saw him and he chatted about getting his footage of the races he filmed into the world, wanting to use my connections in the entertainment industry. i said i'd look into it (and did, briefly, on the day before my flight). the next friday i got a call from my parents and knew before even answering that he had died.

that night while out with friends, i was reading a post from his daughter/my cousin, and apparently he had turned down surgery. he didn't want to risk dying on the operating table. he turned down any other attempts at getting 'better'. and he spoke to his daughters and wife and let them know what he wanted. last march was the last time i saw my family before covid hit. there was an open casket funeral and he was laying down with his crazy white hair, wearing a hawaiian shirt and sporting sunglasses while 60s rock music played.

it made me think of the last episode of the good place, and i was really glad for him, that in his last moments he knew what he wanted and was really at peace. i really wish that we can all get there someday.
 

Yasuke

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
19,817
I cried. As someone who very much fears death to the point that my birthdays have never been pleasant, I found myself at peace with that idea of the afterlife.
 

Retromess

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Nov 9, 2017
2,039
Man, that show had NO business being so touching in its final season!

All around a fantastic, brilliant show. I love it to death but man those last few episodes reduced me into a sobbing mess. I would have never in a million years expected it to wrap up so perfectly.

I think about the finale all the time and honestly, that show's final season is how I would love to ideally imagine the afterlife as being, if there is one. God, I'm getting messed up just thinking about it.
 

Deleted member 16657

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
10,198
a week before i went to pax east last year, i visited my uncle. he was in the hospital, but he'd been in the hospital a lot recently for things like fluid in the lungs and the sort. he was supposed to go on a diet and didn't want to. but we saw him and he chatted about getting his footage of the races he filmed into the world, wanting to use my connections in the entertainment industry. i said i'd look into it (and did, briefly, on the day before my flight). the next friday i got a call from my parents and knew before even answering that he had died.

that night while out with friends, i was reading a post from his daughter/my cousin, and apparently he had turned down surgery. he didn't want to risk dying on the operating table. he turned down any other attempts at getting 'better'. and he spoke to his daughters and wife and let them know what he wanted. last march was the last time i saw my family before covid hit. there was an open casket funeral and he was laying down with his crazy white hair, wearing a hawaiian shirt and sporting sunglasses while 60s rock music played.

it made me think of the last episode of the good place, and i was really glad for him, that in his last moments he knew what he wanted and was really at peace. i really wish that we can all get there someday.

thanks for sharing that. reading through this thread and rewatching clips got me a bit misty eyed. such a powerful ending I really respect it.
 

Tater

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,592
It was the best show in recent years, and went out on top, rather than trying to stretch the concept into twelve seasons or something. It was so refreshing to have a show so sincere that took difficult concepts and tried to package them into format palatable for mainstream audiences.

I did okay through most of the episode, but lost it at Chidi's "wave" analogy. That just went right to the feels.
 

Sai

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
5,621
Chicago
I basically had tears in my eyes throughout the whole thing. I found it incredibly well done.
 

Dreamwriter

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,461
The message of the episode rang hollow. It isn't beautiful to end your existence because you feel "complete". There is no such thing as "complete" in life, even with eternity to explore it. And the show never convinced me otherwise. Never came close to justifying any of it. Just kinda pushed it on you and ran straight to the endzone to celebrate itself.
Realize that the last episode covered 320,000 years. That's a long-ass time to live, some people are just going to run out of things they want to do, and get bored. The show really needed to do a better job of explaining that one Jeremy Bearimy is around 100 years, without that knowledge it really doesn't seem like the cast are living a long afterlife. Even Jason had been living thousands of years when he played that final game of Madden, based on Janet takling about something she had done for him "hundreds of Bearimies ago".

But I agree, I would have liked for there to be two doors at the end, with the other one wiping your memory and sending you back to Earth to have another go at life rather than just ending it.
 
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Punchline

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,151
I was kind of mixed on it originally but I think I really dislike it now. The show should have ended the moment they got to heaven and left it completely ambigious to what happened at the end. Really didn't like the overtones of suicide. The fact we got that level of closure on these characters kind of sucks ass, actually.

I dunno. I can see why people think it's good and daring but I just found it to be kind of way too definitive and too removed from reality to feel any sense of connection personally.
 

Fuchsia

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,648
Yeah it's one of the best finales to a show ever imo. Hit me right in the feels. Definitely shed some tears!
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
A satisfying and awesome finale is a difficult thing to do. Even shows with huge ratings and glowing receptions have fallen flat on their finales.

The Good Place ends so well, with so much heart and thought. I couldn't help but be moved. I introduced a m8 to the show and they blasted through it and man, did that ending make some impact.

It also serves as a commentary on shows that find success and try to overstay their welcome, only to become a shell of what they once were and when they do end, they lack impact. For as great and as iconic as Friends were, I don't remember the finale.

It also gives hope, if we all act with good intentions, and help each other, perhaps we can all get into the good place.
 

poptire

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,979
It was a nice spectacle but that's about it.

The message of the episode rang hollow. It isn't beautiful to end your existence because you feel "complete". There is no such thing as "complete" in life, even with eternity to explore it. And the show never convinced me otherwise. Never came close to justifying any of it. Just kinda pushed it on you and ran straight to the endzone to celebrate itself.

Very off-putting.

Anyway, feel like they wasted a lot of episodes in the last season. Show had been going downhill for a while, going in circles.
I'm kinda with you. Like, though Chidi and others were ready to go, clearly Eleanor wasn't, and even after thousands of years together it felt kinda bleak for her soul mate to be ready to peace out on her. I would've liked a more cliche saccharine ending over what we got, and the last season and a half didn't really work for me also.
 

16bitnova

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,700
I also finished this a couple of weeks ago. I was a mess for a couple of days. One of the greatest shows I've ever seen. And not many shows or movies nail an ending for me. But this one did. Loved it. Everything with Chidi was so tear jerking.
 

Coolluck

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,411
I knew to expect something big based on initial impressions but I didn't know it would hit so hard. It was such a beautiful and sad ending to the show. I think the only thing different I would have wanted was to see more of the good times. Once the dominoes started falling, it felt like a wake.
 

Jakenbakin

Member
Jun 17, 2018
11,818
Shit made me cry a lot. After my wife passed away a couple of years ago I never returned to watch anything we watched together. The Good Place is the only thing we watched together I continued after she left, because the themes are very appropriate, but God damn did it just kill me finishing it up.
 

Tavernade

Tavernade
Moderator
Sep 18, 2018
8,630
I liked it, but it didn't 'quite' make me sob.

I do wish they'd sorta refocused some of the later seasons. That final episode (and arc about the Good Place's reality) had a lot of potential and depth they could have jumped into. I love the show but it felt after the first two or three twists they seemed more interested in flipping the script and keeping people guessing then letting the show breath as much as it could have otherwise.

Actually I do think Chidi leaving made me cry.
 

Godfather

Game on motherfuckers
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,492
Loved the show. Hated the finale.

Let's just commit suicide y'all!
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
Shit made me cry a lot. After my wife passed away a couple of years ago I never returned to watch anything we watched together. The Good Place is the only thing we watched together I continued after she left, because the themes are very appropriate, but God damn did it just kill me finishing it up.
Fucking hell, man.

So sorry to hear that - that finale must have been crushingly difficult.
 

elLOaSTy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,846
Finale absolutely wrecked me, I haven't been able to rewatch it yet. It was so good though.
 

eXistor

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,300
I lost interest in the show somewhere during the third season, thought it was getting more and more obnoxious as it went on.
 

SoleSurvivor

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,017
For anyone that hasn't seen it, please check out the Albert Brooks film "Defending Your Life" which I have to assume heavily inspired The Good Place. I rewatch it at least once a year and always get something new from it. And it just got a Criterion restoration.. looks fantastic in HD finally.

 

Manmademan

Election Thread Watcher
Member
Aug 6, 2018
16,009
Late to this one, but thought I'd comment anyway.

I didn't dislike it, but I found two aspects distracting.

First, to me, the theme of getting to choose the moment when you're definitively done with existence VERY strongly echoed the discourse on assisted suicide that has been a recurring topic in national politics where I live for a few years now. Initiatives have emerged asking to extend the right to euthanasia to non-terminal illness cases as well; i.e. to older adults who simply and plainly feel they are "done with life". Despite it being kind of a controversial topic, I don't really have a strong opinion about it, but seeing the whole debate play out allegorically in a sitcom is a little otherworldly. Viewing it through this lens, all I could take away from the ending was a resounding endorsement of the right to self-termination, which I hadn't expected from a US show... but then again my understanding of the American outlook on euthanasia is minimal.

It was a big deal back in the "Dr. Kevorkian" era (mid to late 90s, I think) but really hasn't been a central topic of conversation in quite some time. I can't think of the last time I heard of an active euthaniasia case, but most people recognize that the right to not be resuscitated or the right to not go through with a potentially life saving procedure because you are simply "done" and wish to pass away peacefully is a thing.

The other thing is that I thought their reinvention of the afterlife had a bit of a having-your-cake-and-eating-it feel. Under the new system you get an eternity of happiness (Abrahamic religions rejoice) AND an eternity of cold, hard nothingness after that last one AND a sort of rebirth/reentering into the lifestream in the form of positive vibes? Aren't these systems completely at odds with each other?

Not really. Under the new system you can "earn" your way into an eternity of happiness eventually, but most people don't end up there by default. Once in that second place ("the good place") you are there for as long as you wish- but there's the realization that even paradise for eternity will eventually turn into torture. You'll have done everything there is to do, seen everything there is to see, and existence will be a burden- not a blessing. At that point the individual has the option to "end" existence and enter the void- conciousness ends, so the burden of existence ceases to be an issue. The residual "energy" of that person does go back out into the universe as a positive influence to make it a better place, but the "person" is definitively gone at that point.

I don't see these phases being at odds with each other.

Also, now I may be misremembering the details of it, but I got the impression they made it so that you can still rack up points during the afterlife, so you're not completely boned if you've spent your single shot at life poorly.

Yes. "The bad place" is no longer a hell full of testicular torture, but instead more like the (fake) Good Place, where the goal is to get those who end up there to reform enough that they're worthy of the actual good place.

But then where does that leave "real" life? At that point I'd say your "real" life becomes as insignificant to the entirety of your existence as, say, your time spent in the womb is to your life after birth.

The show addressed that by the time our protagonists end up in The Bad Place, it was completely impossible for anyone no matter how good they were to qualify for The Good Place because even the most simple, innocuous acts had snowballing negative repercussions due to global economics, etc. Example: buying a candy bar would get you in the Bad Place because it would send funds to Nestle who routinely engages in land and labor exploitation in third world markets. No way to avoid these things, so everyone went to The Bad Place.

So in response to where does that leave "Real Life"? At that point living Real Life lands everyone in the bad place, just due to how modern society is structured. Though some people were a lot closer to living a virtuous life than others and would have less work to do in the afterlife.
 
Oct 27, 2017
20,761
Yeah absolutely rough to get through for all the right reasons IMO. One of the better finales up there with 6 feet under imo
 

octopedes

Member
Feb 3, 2018
814
It definitely hit me in the feels more than one time. Didn't make me nearly as emotional as the finale of Six Feet Under, but just about.

The Good Place is a Fucking Great Show.
 
Oct 30, 2017
999
Good show with aspirations of wokeness it can't deliver. The number of times it has to brute-force the plot along with some huge contrivance is basically part of the style.
In Paradise, everyone you love can just disappear and abandon you forever? Uhhh
 
Oct 25, 2017
16,285
Cincinnati
I both liked the ending but also hated the ending. At least it was better than most shows that's for sure, but something about it also didn't hit right with me.
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
Good show with aspirations of wokeness it can't deliver. The number of times it has to brute-force the plot along with some huge contrivance is basically part of the style.
In Paradise, everyone you love can just disappear and abandon you forever? Uhhh
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Vlodril

Member
Dec 18, 2017
280
For anyone that hasn't seen it, please check out the Albert Brooks film "Defending Your Life" which I have to assume heavily inspired The Good Place. I rewatch it at least once a year and always get something new from it. And it just got a Criterion restoration.. looks fantastic in HD finally.



Hey that is one of my favorite "no one knows about this movie". This and one with warren beatty where he is a footballer picked up by mistake before dying by an angel.
 

Storminormin

Member
Jan 14, 2018
850
I liked season one quite a bit, but it all went downhill for me from there. I watched the rest because it was at least funny/entertaining. The finale just struck me as a reasonable way to end the show and nothing more though.
 

SoleSurvivor

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,017
Hey that is one of my favorite "no one knows about this movie". This and one with warren beatty where he is a footballer picked up by mistake before dying by an angel.

I love Heaven Can Wait! And yeah, I love introducing people to Defending Your Life. No one knows about it, and everyone loves it when I introduce them. Hope someone here catches it because of this conversation. :)
 

kaputt

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,205
One of the best series finales I've ever seen.

Yup.

Coming up with a good finale for the series was already an incredible hard task, considering the theme. But then they gave us a perfect ending, no plot twists, just simple goodness.

I thought this show had its ups and downs, but the ending is truly phenomenal
 

Distantmantra

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,164
Seattle
I love the show but really struggled with the finale. I thought it was well done but the ending wrecked me to the point that it made me upset. When it aired last year on NBC, I had recently come home from the hospital having open heart surgery after feeling pretty awful for a couple years, giving me a new perspective on my situation and being incredibly thankful to still be alive with my wife and daughter. I could not wrap my head around Chidi being done and not wanting to stay with Eleanor. I know that my 38 years on the planet can't compare to hundreds of thousands of years, but still, him ready to just nope out of existence really made me upset. I spent an entire session with my therapist talking about it.
 

deimosmasque

Ugly, Queer, Gender-Fluid, Drive-In Mutant, yes?
Moderator
Apr 22, 2018
14,209
Tampa, Fl
For anyone that hasn't seen it, please check out the Albert Brooks film "Defending Your Life" which I have to assume heavily inspired The Good Place. I rewatch it at least once a year and always get something new from it. And it just got a Criterion restoration.. looks fantastic in HD finally.


One of my favorite movies actually. The ending especially is wonderful!
 

HustleBun

Member
Nov 12, 2017
6,076
Beautifully finale. I was angry and upset while I was watching it- I had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that they would "force" a twist or a darker ending...but you know what? They didn't force anything.

The ending is a natural part of the conversation that the show has been having throughout it's run. And it's not intended to be dark, it's supposed to be about peace and contentment.

Ending sealed it as one of my all-time favorite series.
 

Lilyth

Member
Sep 13, 2019
1,182
I was really disappointed with the ending. The "well, after four seasons, I guess the Buddhists are right and Nirvana is the real deal" felt cheap and random to me. Then again, the characters sold it.
 

Pilgrimzero

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,129
How did it end? I never got around to watching the finale.

After spending hundreds of thousands of years doing anything and everything they want, the cast once they've had enough existence (I've done all there is to do) one by one (when they are ready at diff times) step through a door that scatters their essence (IE really truly cease to exist dead forever) across the universe.
 

Razmos

Unshakeable One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
15,890
Loved the show. Hated the finale.

Let's just commit suicide y'all!
Meh this is a bad take. I hated when the finale aired and people said that it glorified suicide which is not the case at all if anyone has any sense of context or understanding of the themes presented
 

mnk

Member
Nov 11, 2017
6,338
Good show with aspirations of wokeness it can't deliver. The number of times it has to brute-force the plot along with some huge contrivance is basically part of the style.
In Paradise, everyone you love can just disappear and abandon you forever? Uhhh
Everyone in the Good Place is a legitimately good person who cares deeply about other people's feelings. No one is going to be an asshole and just abandon their loved ones at a moment's notice. Chidi waited until he knew for sure Eleanor would be able to handle it, and even then he still would've stayed longer if she wanted him to.
 

Coolluck

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,411
Shit made me cry a lot. After my wife passed away a couple of years ago I never returned to watch anything we watched together. The Good Place is the only thing we watched together I continued after she left, because the themes are very appropriate, but God damn did it just kill me finishing it up.

I can't even imagine what that must have felt like. I hope it was worth finishing and helped more than it hurt.
 

SonofDonCD

Member
Oct 26, 2017
393
I'm glad to see that most people got the point of the ending, and that it was effective and emotionally resonant. For those who seem to bump up against the ending, especially comparing it to suicide, I offer a post I made in the Season 4 OT here at ERA:

I think people aren't using the internal logic the show gave us to understand something.

A Jeremy Bearimy doesn't have an exact equivalent in human time. Partially they did this because it's only a TV show and it ultimately doesn't matter. But within the show itself, that length of time can be INFINITE. We have no real concept of how long just a single Jeremy Bearimy lasts in human years. Seriously, the last episode could've taken place over 100 Billion years for all we know. It was not explained, but does it need to in order for the point to be made?

With those green doors, the gang and anyone in the good place could go anywhere at any point they desired. They could create anything they've ever imagined or wanted, and do anything on their proverbial bucket list. Just because we didn't see all of that in the show, doesn't mean they haven't exhausted all of those things. I think it was highly implied they had exhausted all of that in the fact they felt content to go through the doorway in the first place. The whole point of going through that doorway was that IF you ever feel a level of contentment that just washes over you; in which you feel no desire to look for "the next thing", but just feel good about what your existence has brought and feel no need to drag it out for any reason, it's there for you. Not everyone will get there, and not everyone will get there at the same time, but it's an option. And so long as everyone still has independent thought and agency in the afterlife, there will be people who desire such a choice.

And I mean, it's not like the show itself didn't show one of the characters make the opposite choice! Tahani thought she was done; her entire thing was to do everything on her list. Once she finally did all of those things, she realized there was one more experience she wanted to explore. But who's to say that after a few thousand millennia of doing the whole architect thing, she won't feel the same way again and decide to finally use that door?

That's the point!

We as linear beings have no concept of how long infinity is. Absolutely none. But I'm sure that if we all were facing that very real proposition, many of us would choose this out after a while. And I don't argue this point as someone who would do this myself! I'm not sure what I would do in their shoes. The concept of no longer existing in any plane is scary as all hell. But I can easily see and understand why someone would make that choice.
 

sven

Member
Oct 31, 2017
2,544
After spending hundreds of thousands of years doing anything and everything they want, the cast once they've had enough existence (I've done all there is to do) one by one (when they are ready at diff times) step through a door that scatters their essence (IE really truly cease to exist dead forever) across the universe.
That's not too bad I suppose but still a bit depressing IMO. Don't think I'll ever bother with it.
 

Transistor

Hollowly Brittle
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
37,160
Washington, D.C.
It didn't hit me as hard as the season finale for the season before, but it still cut onions. One of my favorite comedies of all time on TV