This scene. Just this scene. I nearly started crying just watching it again
a week before i went to pax east last year, i visited my uncle. he was in the hospital, but he'd been in the hospital a lot recently for things like fluid in the lungs and the sort. he was supposed to go on a diet and didn't want to. but we saw him and he chatted about getting his footage of the races he filmed into the world, wanting to use my connections in the entertainment industry. i said i'd look into it (and did, briefly, on the day before my flight). the next friday i got a call from my parents and knew before even answering that he had died.
that night while out with friends, i was reading a post from his daughter/my cousin, and apparently he had turned down surgery. he didn't want to risk dying on the operating table. he turned down any other attempts at getting 'better'. and he spoke to his daughters and wife and let them know what he wanted. last march was the last time i saw my family before covid hit. there was an open casket funeral and he was laying down with his crazy white hair, wearing a hawaiian shirt and sporting sunglasses while 60s rock music played.
it made me think of the last episode of the good place, and i was really glad for him, that in his last moments he knew what he wanted and was really at peace. i really wish that we can all get there someday.
Realize that the last episode covered 320,000 years. That's a long-ass time to live, some people are just going to run out of things they want to do, and get bored. The show really needed to do a better job of explaining that one Jeremy Bearimy is around 100 years, without that knowledge it really doesn't seem like the cast are living a long afterlife. Even Jason had been living thousands of years when he played that final game of Madden, based on Janet takling about something she had done for him "hundreds of Bearimies ago".The message of the episode rang hollow. It isn't beautiful to end your existence because you feel "complete". There is no such thing as "complete" in life, even with eternity to explore it. And the show never convinced me otherwise. Never came close to justifying any of it. Just kinda pushed it on you and ran straight to the endzone to celebrate itself.
I'm kinda with you. Like, though Chidi and others were ready to go, clearly Eleanor wasn't, and even after thousands of years together it felt kinda bleak for her soul mate to be ready to peace out on her. I would've liked a more cliche saccharine ending over what we got, and the last season and a half didn't really work for me also.It was a nice spectacle but that's about it.
The message of the episode rang hollow. It isn't beautiful to end your existence because you feel "complete". There is no such thing as "complete" in life, even with eternity to explore it. And the show never convinced me otherwise. Never came close to justifying any of it. Just kinda pushed it on you and ran straight to the endzone to celebrate itself.
Very off-putting.
Anyway, feel like they wasted a lot of episodes in the last season. Show had been going downhill for a while, going in circles.
Fucking hell, man.Shit made me cry a lot. After my wife passed away a couple of years ago I never returned to watch anything we watched together. The Good Place is the only thing we watched together I continued after she left, because the themes are very appropriate, but God damn did it just kill me finishing it up.
I didn't dislike it, but I found two aspects distracting.
First, to me, the theme of getting to choose the moment when you're definitively done with existence VERY strongly echoed the discourse on assisted suicide that has been a recurring topic in national politics where I live for a few years now. Initiatives have emerged asking to extend the right to euthanasia to non-terminal illness cases as well; i.e. to older adults who simply and plainly feel they are "done with life". Despite it being kind of a controversial topic, I don't really have a strong opinion about it, but seeing the whole debate play out allegorically in a sitcom is a little otherworldly. Viewing it through this lens, all I could take away from the ending was a resounding endorsement of the right to self-termination, which I hadn't expected from a US show... but then again my understanding of the American outlook on euthanasia is minimal.
The other thing is that I thought their reinvention of the afterlife had a bit of a having-your-cake-and-eating-it feel. Under the new system you get an eternity of happiness (Abrahamic religions rejoice) AND an eternity of cold, hard nothingness after that last one AND a sort of rebirth/reentering into the lifestream in the form of positive vibes? Aren't these systems completely at odds with each other?
Also, now I may be misremembering the details of it, but I got the impression they made it so that you can still rack up points during the afterlife, so you're not completely boned if you've spent your single shot at life poorly.
But then where does that leave "real" life? At that point I'd say your "real" life becomes as insignificant to the entirety of your existence as, say, your time spent in the womb is to your life after birth.
Good show with aspirations of wokeness it can't deliver. The number of times it has to brute-force the plot along with some huge contrivance is basically part of the style.
In Paradise, everyone you love can just disappear and abandon you forever? Uhhh
For anyone that hasn't seen it, please check out the Albert Brooks film "Defending Your Life" which I have to assume heavily inspired The Good Place. I rewatch it at least once a year and always get something new from it. And it just got a Criterion restoration.. looks fantastic in HD finally.
Hey that is one of my favorite "no one knows about this movie". This and one with warren beatty where he is a footballer picked up by mistake before dying by an angel.
For anyone that hasn't seen it, please check out the Albert Brooks film "Defending Your Life" which I have to assume heavily inspired The Good Place. I rewatch it at least once a year and always get something new from it. And it just got a Criterion restoration.. looks fantastic in HD finally.
Meh this is a bad take. I hated when the finale aired and people said that it glorified suicide which is not the case at all if anyone has any sense of context or understanding of the themes presentedLoved the show. Hated the finale.
Let's just commit suicide y'all!
Everyone in the Good Place is a legitimately good person who cares deeply about other people's feelings. No one is going to be an asshole and just abandon their loved ones at a moment's notice. Chidi waited until he knew for sure Eleanor would be able to handle it, and even then he still would've stayed longer if she wanted him to.Good show with aspirations of wokeness it can't deliver. The number of times it has to brute-force the plot along with some huge contrivance is basically part of the style.
In Paradise, everyone you love can just disappear and abandon you forever? Uhhh
Shit made me cry a lot. After my wife passed away a couple of years ago I never returned to watch anything we watched together. The Good Place is the only thing we watched together I continued after she left, because the themes are very appropriate, but God damn did it just kill me finishing it up.
I think people aren't using the internal logic the show gave us to understand something.
A Jeremy Bearimy doesn't have an exact equivalent in human time. Partially they did this because it's only a TV show and it ultimately doesn't matter. But within the show itself, that length of time can be INFINITE. We have no real concept of how long just a single Jeremy Bearimy lasts in human years. Seriously, the last episode could've taken place over 100 Billion years for all we know. It was not explained, but does it need to in order for the point to be made?
With those green doors, the gang and anyone in the good place could go anywhere at any point they desired. They could create anything they've ever imagined or wanted, and do anything on their proverbial bucket list. Just because we didn't see all of that in the show, doesn't mean they haven't exhausted all of those things. I think it was highly implied they had exhausted all of that in the fact they felt content to go through the doorway in the first place. The whole point of going through that doorway was that IF you ever feel a level of contentment that just washes over you; in which you feel no desire to look for "the next thing", but just feel good about what your existence has brought and feel no need to drag it out for any reason, it's there for you. Not everyone will get there, and not everyone will get there at the same time, but it's an option. And so long as everyone still has independent thought and agency in the afterlife, there will be people who desire such a choice.
And I mean, it's not like the show itself didn't show one of the characters make the opposite choice! Tahani thought she was done; her entire thing was to do everything on her list. Once she finally did all of those things, she realized there was one more experience she wanted to explore. But who's to say that after a few thousand millennia of doing the whole architect thing, she won't feel the same way again and decide to finally use that door?
That's the point!
We as linear beings have no concept of how long infinity is. Absolutely none. But I'm sure that if we all were facing that very real proposition, many of us would choose this out after a while. And I don't argue this point as someone who would do this myself! I'm not sure what I would do in their shoes. The concept of no longer existing in any plane is scary as all hell. But I can easily see and understand why someone would make that choice.
That's not too bad I suppose but still a bit depressing IMO. Don't think I'll ever bother with it.After spending hundreds of thousands of years doing anything and everything they want, the cast once they've had enough existence (I've done all there is to do) one by one (when they are ready at diff times) step through a door that scatters their essence (IE really truly cease to exist dead forever) across the universe.