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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

Are we human or are we dancer?
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Oct 25, 2017
14,931
The series premiere is tonight!

Meet the Lord

Series premiere. Henry Shackleford is a young slave living in the Kansas territory in 1856, when he has a run-in with abolitionist John Brown, who mistakes him for a girl and promptly "frees" him.
 

AuthenticM

Son Altesse Sérénissime
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,110
This is tonight. So am I to believe that some people have already seen it? Is it airing earlier on the west coast or something?
 

AuthenticM

Son Altesse Sérénissime
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,110
So was John Brown actually crazy, or is this perception of him the result of over a century of propaganda from a white america that tried to delegitimize the man's actions because they hated him for what he stood for?

It's on the app at least.
Thanks
 

BlueTsunami

Member
Oct 29, 2017
8,512
Questions Browns sanity...

*Cut to him holding up a wild hare*

Do you have fire in your heart for justice?

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The humor and dialog in this is on point

So was John Brown actually crazy, or is this perception of him the result of over a century of propaganda from a white america that tried to delegitimize the man's actions because they hated him for what he stood for?


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I cant answer this but I have to say I dig how the show plays around with his cartoonish characterization in regards to his sanity yet his legitimate progressive notions are seen as just as odd.
 
So was John Brown actually crazy, or is this perception of him the result of over a century of propaganda from a white america that tried to delegitimize the man's actions because they hated him for what he stood for?
Brown being crazy was a canard advanced mainly by Lost Cause historians in the late 19th century.

Brown was ultra-devout, but nobody who actually knew him considered him mad (in the clinical sense we use today). Douglass was taken aback on first meeting him by how much he seemed to care about the cause.
 

Ghost Rider

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Oct 27, 2017
861
I recommend reading Midnight Rising by Tony Horwitz (and all of his other books) as it is a really amazing look at the character.
 

The Adder

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Oct 25, 2017
18,147
Someone needs to make a movie about Cassius Marcellus Clay. The founder of Berea College and the person Muhammad Ali's father was named after. Now there's an interesting life.
 

Anton Sugar

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,946
Really enjoyed that first episode, but watched it on YouTube--ugh, I don't want to have to buy another channel.

Not as familiar with John Brown/the novel as I wish I was, but understand that he was one of the few true white abolitionists who (radically) believed in equality of all and wasn't just using it politically.

Can't wait for Daveed/Douglass to make an appearance.

Production value is fantastic, as well--the show is beautiful. Lots of telephoto & telephoto wide shots, too, with some vintage lens (looks like).
 

Arkestry

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,920
London
What a fucking episode. Honestly almost felt like a great film. Has a sort of comical Assassination of Jesse James feel to it, which I'm digging a lot.
 

meowdi gras

Banned
Feb 24, 2018
12,679
Fantastic, important subject matter, this could have been a thoughtful piece of work. Instead, the filmmakers have chosen to make yet another live action cartoon. Oh well.
 

Anton Sugar

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,946
Fantastic, important subject matter, this could have been a thoughtful piece of work. Instead, the filmmakers have chosen to make yet another live action cartoon. Oh well.
Have you seen the whole series? I've only seen episode 1 and while it was more entertaining than thought provoking, I think you're selling it a little short. Onion has already talked about John Brown still being just a crazy white dude, how the North & South both don't give a fuck about slaves in their own way(s).

One thing I'm not a huge fan of is the "John Brown's band of merry men" dynamic. Maybe because it's already hard to buy a genuine white dude in the 1800s who believed in equality (even though I believe that is historically accurate), so having a whole band of "good" white people feels a little contrived.
 

meowdi gras

Banned
Feb 24, 2018
12,679
Have you seen the whole series? I've only seen episode 1 and while it was more entertaining than thought provoking, I think you're selling it a little short. Onion has already talked about John Brown still being just a crazy white dude, how the North & South both don't give a fuck about slaves in their own way(s).

One thing I'm not a huge fan of is the "John Brown's band of merry men" dynamic. Maybe because it's already hard to buy a genuine white dude in the 1800s who believed in equality (even though I believe that is historically accurate), so having a whole band of "good" white people feels a little contrived.
I've only seen the first episode--up on YouTube for free--as it's the only episode I can financially afford to watch at this time. It was near WB-level cartoon hijinks in 19th century Kansas. Seemingly nothing is executed turned down below 11. I don't need to be screamed and spouted at for an hour. Not remotely something which interests me.
 
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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

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Oct 25, 2017
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New episode tonight!

A Wicked Plot

Separated from Brown's army, Onion and fellow slave Bob leave the fight in Kansas only to cross paths with pro-slavery "red shirts" who escort them to the slave-trading town of Pikesville, Mo. Onion soon finds himself enmeshed in a mounting slave insurrection, where he learns the consequences of his own actions.
 

JimNastics

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Jan 11, 2018
1,383
I see a 6.9 on IMDB, is it a slow burn?

In short, it's a series about a legendary white abolitionist (John Brown) who led a small, multi-race bandit group in the famous raid on Harpers Ferry armoury in an attempt to start mass slave revolts across the south. This event is thought to have, even in a small part, been a catalyst for the Civil War. You can probably guess who are dragging the review scores down, and why.
 

RoaminRonin

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Nov 6, 2017
5,770
You can watch the full 1st episode on Showtime's youtube channel.

Edit: nvm someone already posted it
 

Fatmanp

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Oct 27, 2017
4,438
In short, it's a series about a legendary white abolitionist (John Brown) who led a small, multi-race bandit group in the famous raid on Harpers Ferry armoury in an attempt to start mass slave revolts across the south. This event is thought to have, even in a small part, been a catalyst for the Civil War. You can probably guess who are dragging the review scores down, and why.
Those "Fine People" I'm guessing.
 

Andi

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,316
Damn good show, so far! Hawke is chewing the scenery in such a good way!
 

Nola

Member
Oct 29, 2017
8,083
Blown away with how good this show is so far.

My expectations were sky high and this has matched and exceeded it every bit so far.

Can not recommend it enough. Goddamn!
 

Nola

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Oct 29, 2017
8,083
I've only seen the first episode--up on YouTube for free--as it's the only episode I can financially afford to watch at this time. It was near WB-level cartoon hijinks in 19th century Kansas. Seemingly nothing is executed turned down below 11. I don't need to be screamed and spouted at for an hour. Not remotely something which interests me.
Really wish I had checked into this thread a couple days ago.

Amazon had two months of Showtime for 99 cents a month on Prime day. That's how I'm watching
 

Domcorleone

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Oct 26, 2017
2,191
This show is fantastic! One of the best Showtime has put out. Helluva first episode by Albert Hughes too
 

JDSN

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,129
This was so fucking dumb, first Hunters and now this, don't try to be Tarantino if you are not Tarantino.
 

poptire

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,992
Ethan Hawke is very good in this. I mean, it's no surprise.

He's almost doing a Tom Waits impression but there are more layers than that.
 

Night Hunter

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Dec 5, 2017
2,798
This is coming to Sky on the 6th of November here in (big parts of) Europe. Double episodes every week. Can't wait.
 

Scottt

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Oct 25, 2017
4,212
"Would you like to sit with me on this loveseat while I further explain to you the plight of our people?"
 

DirtyLarry

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Oct 27, 2017
4,114
Thanks for the thread. Love Hawke, ,trailer looks awesome. Going to get up to speed on the first 3 episodes.
 

mikeamizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
3,058
Ethan Hawke is wildly underrated/underappreciated. I am kicking myself for not starting to watch this yet.

Edit: check out In the Valley of Violence too.