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The GOTY 2020 is?

  • Animal Crossing

    Votes: 800 20.4%
  • Final Fantasy VII Remake

    Votes: 519 13.2%
  • Ghost of Tsushima

    Votes: 364 9.3%
  • Doom Eternal

    Votes: 160 4.1%
  • The Last of Us Part II

    Votes: 1,427 36.3%
  • Hades

    Votes: 657 16.7%

  • Total voters
    3,927

Jbone115

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Oct 25, 2017
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For me personally, games like TLOU P2 with extreme brutality, gore, and depressing themes are not at all what I want from a video game. I play games as a method of escapism, and in a crazy year like 2020 the last thing I need is more negativity in my life. Not a knock on people who love the game, it's just not my cup of tea.
 

Eeyore

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Dec 13, 2019
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Hades. You can be super progressive and inclusive without putting minorities and women through gratuitously nonsensical torture porn.

You can also nominate a game without shitting on another one. Hades stands on its own, it doesn't need to stand on the back of TLOU2 while shouting about how much better it is.

I agree the game is good but in gameplay it really isn't doing anything new or exciting or particularly innovative. Just another story driven straight line naughty dog game.

People can be mixed on the plot all they want but I think ND hit it out of the park with the level design in the game. It's fantastic. Gameplay wise they've come a long way from the first Uncharted which has aged like spoiled milk.

That man's critique of the Last of Us is more dramatic than the actual game.

ND deserves criticism with how they've handled minorities over their games. I'm not about to tell someone that has been burned by them not to share their opinion. I do think calling it torture porn is disingenuous and just meant to garner a reaction though.
 

Fromskap

Member
Sep 6, 2019
321
It sold over a million by the time it the nominations happened. In what world is over a million 'niche'? That and what was Three Houses competition for best strategy game?

And niche shouldn't be a thing talking about GOTY. GOTY is supposed to be about the best overall game for that year, not the best, most played game that year.
Didn't mean that the game was niche, but that it was apparently what TGA thought. I mean, it's the best selling game in the franchise. (And the franchise has a popular fighting game spinoff too.) Its competition for strategy games weren't much of a threat, either.

I agree with you on the second point, but wouldn't go into TGA with that hope. But perhaps we will get our Parasite moment someday.
 

BrickArts295

GOTY Tracking Thread Master
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Oct 26, 2017
13,745
I legit just want TLOU2 to win just to see the twitter meltdowns >:)
Personally think AC will take GOTY while TLOU2 and Hades take home the majority of the awards.
 

Firefly

Member
Jul 10, 2018
8,623
Rooting for Animal Crossing or Hades. But it makes me sad that given the other high profile games, they have little chance of winning. Nomination is as far as they go in a packed year like this.
 

TheBiInBilingual

THE STORE ENSURED ME THERE WOULDN'T BE FILM
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Feb 22, 2018
2,792
AC already won in my heart.

I really hope 2020 pulls a 2018 where the anticipated goty nominee (RDR2) wins a lot of the awards it's nominated for EXCEPT the big one (Gow)
 

ClickyCal'

Member
Oct 25, 2017
59,508
Award voting is always a subjective task. If it were objective, it would be a matter of running down a list and making sure a game checked more GOTY boxes than the others before casting a vote.

There will never be a total separation of a game from its time when it comes to voting for current GOTY awards. You can't separate ACNH and TLOU2 from 2020 any more than you can COVID.

And while it is unfortunate, I can totally understand why someone would not want to become immersed in a grim zombie apocalypse game this year. I don't think that has any serious impact on TLOU2's GOTY chances, but comparatively speaking, literally every game that came out this year not named Animal Crossing has spent 2020 in ACNH's shadow.
There is always some bias in mind, but there also a reason why the game has a 93 MC score, vs whatever its user score is now. These people review games as a job and do everything possible to look at them through a critical lense. They still will have interpersonal thoughts about them, but are going to base what they feel is the goty in the most objective way possible.
 

N.47H.4N

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Oct 27, 2017
8,095
Being forced to do terrible things is actually bad.

I have zero interest in seeing "both sides" of a conflict between horrible, monstrous people. Especially not this year. And especially not for 30 or 40 hours, because a dude who wants to be a movie director got stuck making games instead.
I met the game halfway by playing through it. A few dozen hours of being forced to do violent, gory, murderous, racist revenge and shit is not what I want in a game. And I'll just reiterate that forcing people to do this stuff is bad. Forcing them to do it for 30 or 40 hours is worse.
You was not forced to buy and play the game that has shown what was about for almost 4 years.
 

Wispmetas

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,546
Yup TLOU II will get it unfortunatelly for me, really didn't enjoy my time with it.

Is Hades really that good? Surprised by seeing it so many times here.
 

Meg Cherry

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,268
Seattle, WA
So have most of the categories be revealed online only. I imagine most people don't bother watching the actual awards anyway.
Isn't that just making the problem worse then, by literally putting most of the genres in award categories that are never seen by anyone? If you're third runner up for Best Visual Novel at the TGAs, and it's never even mentioned on the stream - that's not really publicity.

Smaller games break out and get major screentime at the TGAs every year. Untitled Goose Game, Disco Elysium, Return of the Obra Dinn, etc.
 

Fat4all

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Oct 25, 2017
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im split between FF7R and TLoU2

one of them is likely my GOTY, but I still haven't decided which one it is yet
 

Acido

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Oct 31, 2017
1,098
It's time for a non combat centric game to win. It's so boring seeing that the only games getting recognized are the ones where you kill stuff when videogames can be so many things. There's literally infinite potential for videogames if only the industry broke away from the same conventional ideas. Animal Crossing should win
 

Einchy

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Oct 25, 2017
42,659
ND deserves criticism with how they've handled minorities over their games. I'm not about to tell someone that has been burned by them not to share their opinion. I do think calling it torture porn is disingenuous and just meant to garner a reaction though.
I was speaking about the latter.
 

lazerface

Banned
Feb 23, 2020
1,344
Carrion deserves so much more love! I'm stuck between Carrion, Animal Crossing, Astro Bots Playroom and Spiritfarer. I LOVE how this year has brought us so many unique gaming experiences.
 

Meg Cherry

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,268
Seattle, WA
You are not forced to buy and play the game that has shown what was about for almost 4 years.
The point is that the game is trying to be a morality play about the senseless brutality of violence, and how Ellie's actions don't actually help her in the grieving process. The only way to actually experience the narrative is to play out all of that senseless violence, often through game mechanics that make her 'tragic descent into madness' feel like a badass action movie. It's a complete tonal break, in a game that is primarily profiting on tone.
 

Eeyore

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Dec 13, 2019
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Yup TLOU II will get it unfortunatelly for me, really didn't enjoy my time with it.

Is Hades really that good? Surprised by seeing it so many times here.

Yes it's that good. It tells a cohesive story in a roguelike without having to compromise its vision.

The point is that the game is trying to be a morality play about the senseless brutality of violence, and how Ellie's actions don't actually help her in the grieving process. The only way to actually experience the narrative is to play out all of that senseless violence, often through game mechanics that make her 'tragic descent into madness' feel like a badass action movie. It's a complete tonal break, in a game that is primarily profiting on tone.

This is a lot of words to say ludonarrative dissonance :).
 

mancan

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Mar 29, 2018
457
You can also nominate a game without shitting on another one. Hades stands on its own, it doesn't need to stand on the back of TLOU2 while shouting about how much better it is.



People can be mixed on the plot all they want but I think ND hit it out of the park with the level design in the game. It's fantastic. Gameplay wise they've come a long way from the first Uncharted which has aged like spoiled milk.



ND deserves criticism with how they've handled minorities over their games. I'm not about to tell someone that has been burned by them not to share their opinion. I do think calling it torture porn is disingenuous and just meant to garner a reaction though.

My point is not whether it has come a long way or not.

Is it different or innovative to what has been seen before. Compare it to half life alyx for me is really weird to have it over it.
 

N.47H.4N

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,095
The point is that the game is trying to be a morality play about the senseless brutality of violence, and how Ellie's actions don't actually help her in the grieving process. The only way to actually experience the narrative is to play out all of that senseless violence, often through game mechanics that make her 'tragic descent into madness' feel like a badass action movie. It's a complete tonal break, in a game that is primarily profiting on tone.
Feels like a tragic story of lost/revenge and redemption to me, the fact the game plays like a dream is big plus not a negative.
The last hour of FF7R disqualifies it automatically.
Everything between chapters 5 and 12 for me rs
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
24,497
Spain
It's time for a non combat centric game to win. It's so boring seeing that the only games getting recognized are the ones where you kill stuff when videogames can be so many things. There's literally infinite potential for videogames if only the industry broke away from the same conventional ideas. Animal Crossing should win
I don't care about Animal Crossing but what is true is that sad that the medium has advanced so much and in most cases the central "gameplay core loop" is still violence and killing enemies.
 

Le Dude

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May 16, 2018
4,709
USA
To put it into context: it's already the 28th best selling game of all time by the Wikipedia list including all multiplatform games and it's only been out for half a year when we got that number.

There's no way it's not top 20 best selling games ever by the end of the year.
Yeah, it's so insane. I don't think a lot of people grasp just how crazy those sales figures are. Animal Crossing was not bundled in most areas of the world, so that's not what's driving the numbers, and as of the last financial report Switch was only a little more than half of PS4's lifetime sales. So there's all these games this generation on PS4 + Xbox One + PC (and some also on Switch) that aren't able to compete with Animal Crossing's first 6 months on a single console.

Outside of Minecraft, PUGB, and GTA V, IMO Animal Crossing is possibly the most impressive sales figures of all time.
 

Barn

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,137
Los Angeles
I've heard a lot of people write off Animal Crossing because the game's release timing played such a role in its cultural impact, but I think that's exactly why it should be game of the year (apart from the fact that it's an exquisitely crafted dopamine machine). It is the game of the year in literal terms -- the game that defined 2020. That said, it is definitely not the multiplayer or online game of the year, unless we're speaking strictly culturally and totally disregarding mechanics.

It's also so good to see Hades nominated as were it not for AC, that would be my personal game of the year. But given the culture of the Game Awards, Last of Us or Ghosts will take it regardless of what I think.

And relegating independent games to their own categories is getting progressively dumber each year. Most of the noms for art direction, narrative and music are laughable apart from the token indie nods -- the indie space absolutely owns those categories.

Finally, someone throw Warframe a bone for ongoing game. That game is the antidote to all the things people hate about games-as-service, and Digital Extremes manages to do it without being shitheads like a lot of other companies on that list.
 

Meg Cherry

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Oct 25, 2017
7,268
Seattle, WA
Feels like a tragic story of lost/revenge and redemption to me, the fact the game plays like a dream is big plus not a negative.
TLOU2 going from narrative to combat is like if The Road broke out into a John Wick fight scene every twenty minutes. I can like both of those things independently, while realizing that putting them together makes for an unsatisfying whole.
 

Eeyore

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Dec 13, 2019
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My point is not whether it has come a long way or not.

Is it different or innovative to what has been seen before. Compare it to half life alyx for me is really weird to have it over it.

Well if this is your logic, I would assume only certain types of games could even be nominated for game of the year. Feels strange to limit it to TLOU2 and not also mention games like Animal Crossing which aren't exactly the most innovative games out there.

The last hour of FF7R disqualifies it automatically.

This post needs a Nomura shoutout to be complete.
 

lemonhat

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Dec 6, 2018
218
Given its impact and the positive role it's played for many during the pandemic it should be Animal Crossing. It's a phenomenon, the biggest and most important game of the year without question. Would also be a great statement about what gaming is and can be, rather than just having another grim game largely involving killing people winning. I know I'm being pretty reductive there, but it really should be Animal Crossing. It has transcended the entire medium this past year.
 

Hailinel

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Oct 27, 2017
35,527
Just the call of duty warzone used to promote and launch new call of duty game

Or Travis Scott concert on Fortnite

It's been done before
Animal Talking is a series produced independently of Nintendo's involvement, other than taking place in Animal Crossing. It's not a cross-promotional tool organized or developed by Nintendo.

It was literally Gary Whitta deciding to stream himself in AC and interview celebrities.
 

Grudy

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Oct 29, 2017
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Would have been an easy vote for FFVII were it not for the ending. In which case it goes to Hades which inches out TLOU2 for me by just a bit.
 

ArjanN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Out of this list it'd probably be Doom Eternal for me, but Spelunky 2 is better than all of these anyway.

So have most of the categories be revealed online only. I imagine most people don't bother watching the actual awards anyway.

People watch the show, but it's 90% for game annoucements/trailers and only 10% for fanboy tribalism the awards.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Fighting games that aren't Smash consistently get the snub, especially in esports categories. You almost never see them represented. And yeah One Punch Man has no right to be in that category lol