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The Federal Government will execute Lisa Montgomery today. Here is her tragic story. UPDATE: Federal government executed her.
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Wtf is this post. People in here showing their fucking ass man.
This story is horrible on so many levels. I don't have much to say, except that I don't think DP is a good answer. She never had a normal day in her life, and she deserves at least recognition of what has been done to her by her family, the educational system, police, judges, etc.
I also hope the kid is doing well and has a loving entourage.
I also hope the kid is doing well and has a loving entourage.
People committed violent crimes and took this woman's innocence and life from her. Society failed her every step of the way. Killing these people does nothing for anyone, fixing the problems that led to this point might.
I firmly believe no one is born evil or sadistic.
How do y'all think the rest of the western world that doesn't have death penalties or "just go to prison forever" penalties handles these things? Do you think they just throw their hands up in the air, say "AH FUCK IT" and let them walk free? Can you really not even conceptualize anything but "Kill them", "Lock them up and throw away the key" or "Just let them walk free"?
I've read her full story now, I get it. She is an extreme case. Her story is real sad. She does deserve pity, but she should spend the rest of her life in jail.
I'm firmly against any system that coddles killers and houses them in luxury resort style "rehab centers"
A lot of people are stuck in binary thinking. If you've done one bad thing, you are evil and should be treated like an evil person forever.
^ Like this. Perfect example.
Thinking that people need to serve some purpose to be worthy of living is territory you shouldn't be straying into.
People who are viewed as unworthy are already herded into environments where theyre more likely to commit crimes and be executed for them. We don't need to go further down that road.
Would you be willing to be the person who physically executes her?
Some of these people are horrifying! So many people are full bloodlust that they can't even think about what they're saying. It's fucking disgusting! How the fuck can you have this kind of mentality in 2021. Era is becoming a cesspool!
We literally have posters dehumanising people with mental health problems and saying they should should be killed. Remind you of a facist government anyone?
Yes, what this women did is horrific and she should be punished and she is! The Death penalty is not a punishment though, it's a quick fix to a bigger problem and it doesn't work as a deterrent.
We literally have posters dehumanising people with mental health problems and saying they should should be killed. Remind you of a facist government anyone?
Yes, what this women did is horrific and she should be punished and she is! The Death penalty is not a punishment though, it's a quick fix to a bigger problem and it doesn't work as a deterrent.
Rehabilitation focused treatment in mental health facilities isn't really living at a luxury resort. Where do you even get that idea?
no you didn't
at most you read the headline, cause every single report about her crime in the recent days have explicitly talked about what she went through when she was young, not the mention that the OP and title of this thread is exactly about that.
And that has to be death? She's been incarcerated for well over a decade so far and would be in jail for life regardless of if she was given the death penalty or not. A life for a life isn't the answer, full stop.
Read up on the case and what had happened to Montgomery wasn't even fully revealed to the jury until after she was convicted. It is also batshit insane to me that in America, the jury recommends the punishment. People with little to no legal experience, making a judgment (let's face it, emotion comes into it a fair bit) rather than people who have spent their careers being in the legal profession.
Nobody is saying she should be released straight away. She needs mental help.
I definitely hope so, it's pretty scary to think that people who think murder is okay like Magnum there are walking around amongst normal people.
Please show us single system that coddles killers? Or houses them in luxury resort rehab centers.
Sheesh some people in here really do lack empathy. Literally everyone in her life abused her or failed her and people want her killed because of that? Even if the actions she did are beyond horrible, death penalty is never the answer.
Again, just because you say it's a thing doesn't make it a thing.
More likely, a whole pile of folks are getting riled up over some immature teenagers/children still stuck in a binary thought process. Better to move and ignore them and discuss whatever there is too discuss here.
I mean, a lot of countries (not most but a lot more than zero, which should be the number) still have the death penalty and have people who support it living there. I don't agree with it but I don't know that it's surprising that there are people out there who are for it.
Hmm.
I'd argue this is actually logically consistent. You believe that murderers aren't human. They're scum. Trash. Subhuman. So I guess in that sense, you being a proud advocate of the state murdering people, you're not a bad person. Because you're not a person.
Empathy gets thrown out the window when the crime involves strangling a woman and ripping an 8 month old child from its mother's womb
Stay of Execution Granted
A federal judge has granted her a stay of execution.
www.cnn.com
A federal judge has granted a stay of execution for the only woman on federal death row pending a competency hearing | CNN
A federal judge granted Lisa Montgomery, the only woman on federal death row, a stay of execution pending a competency hearing -- just hours before she was scheduled to die.
www.cnn.com
So here is the question. Should such a crime happened to such a person, do we give the person the right to choose capital punishment of death penalty or life in prison?
I mean I'm sure that some people might not want to spend the rest of their life in prison even after Rehabilitation. If you were in her position and choose between death penalty and Rehabilitation, but stuck in prison for life without parole, what would you choose?
I know if I did such a heinous crime and I knew I was really young and was told you not getting parole but you'll be spending the rest of your life in prison, it'll be kind of hard reasons to stay alive in prison.
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I too love being against the death penalty but for the death penalty if someone is sentenced to death but gets a stay.
This of course is absolutely a coherent world view.
It seems to only be one person thankfully. They should be banned, what they're saying is horrific.
You've already made it very clear from your first post in this thread (that you've now edited) that you don't believe that criminals should be treated like humans. We get it, you think that some people are literal animals and should be caged and euthanized.
If after reading this thread you are calling for the death penalty, and referring to people as "sub-human scum", then I absolutely am in a position to make a judgement call on you. As always I am truly, truly shocked at how fucking evil and awful some posters are on Era when it comes to capital punishment. It's fucking sick, and some of the people in this thread are a terrifying combination of stupid, vindictive and lacking in any semblance of human empathy or emotion.
That would be true if it would have been in cold blood without the awful backstory. I mean, it's clear she wasn't sane when that horrible crime happened. I mean, you can be empathic and still say what she did is awful and horrible. But all of that could have been prevented if system would have not failed her.
I mean, you can't look this with binary mindset at all.
Not that the government should be killing people, but that's not how it works.
For the record you're the one saying this not me.
Not all criminals deserve the death penalty.
Advocating for systemic violence against people you have almost absolute power over is lazy at best. Bit these posters have handily thrown nuance out the window by saying this person is defective and should be disposed of under those grounds.
What the fuck at the replies in here.
Put her in an institution for life. Story doesn't say if her abusers got anything thrown at them, did they? Also fucking hell at the complacency of the judges and cops in the story.
Put her in an institution for life. Story doesn't say if her abusers got anything thrown at them, did they? Also fucking hell at the complacency of the judges and cops in the story.
I wouldn't defend a statement like that, whomever it was thrown at.
I might have been a bit quick to respond, specifically to a general statement made about people that are for the death penalty being bad people, without reading more of what the poster in question had to say. As someone who is staunchly against the death penalty, I can understand why someone would be for it.
See what's amazing about this post is it is just the three paragraph version of your initial post of "put her down"
It's not more compassionate and less pathetic because you wrote three paragraphs
The problem there is how do you assess someone's mental competency to make that decision and also whether they've been pushed into making it by other people?
It's amazing isn't it. Dehumanisation towards the person that was failed by society.
The circumstances of their life doesn't get taken into account, they're just sub human filth.
What about those people that did nothing? Like her police officer cousin she went to help for and didn't do anything?
To society that let her be abused from birth that didn't save her?
Trump pardoned a person that murdered multiple civilians. I wonder what they thought of that?
Did any war criminal soldiers get the death penalty?
The circumstances of their life doesn't get taken into account, they're just sub human filth.
What about those people that did nothing? Like her police officer cousin she went to help for and didn't do anything?
To society that let her be abused from birth that didn't save her?
Trump pardoned a person that murdered multiple civilians. I wonder what they thought of that?
Did any war criminal soldiers get the death penalty?
*scoffs* I think I've seen enough 3rd rate TV dramas and films about prison to know exactly how the US penal system works!
It's always funny seeing dumb takes about how the death penalty should totally be allowed and that somehow it's the only way to treat criminals who kill etc.......as others have said, plenty of other countries haven't got a death penalty and have way way lower rates or violent crime and lower rates of criminals re-offending if they have a sentence that allows release, we get on just fine without America's insane need for blood lust.
Also imagine being a person who looks at the American system for prisons and claims somehow they aren't a suitable punishment for a criminal and death is the only suitable one......the fuck is wrong with some Americans when they have a prison system that under international law has been deemed to be committing human rights abuse on the daily, so much so that other countries will refuse extradition requests by the usa pretty often due to not wanting to allow people to be submitted to violations of international human rights laws, and still trying to argue that your prison system isn't a good enough punishment for the insane vengeance you crave.
Also anyone seriously claiming that America's state run/contracted mental health prisons are a hotel style rehab are out of their fucking minds and need to maybe look into how badly the usa has treated mental health issues for decades, or maybe that's the issue. Maybe the Americans claiming such bullshit should reflect on how much reagan and those after underfunded or out right destroyed the way Americans would treat mental health and stop acting like somehow they know know what the fuck goes on in these places before claiming they are all like some celebrity rehab center.
Also imagine being a person who looks at the American system for prisons and claims somehow they aren't a suitable punishment for a criminal and death is the only suitable one......the fuck is wrong with some Americans when they have a prison system that under international law has been deemed to be committing human rights abuse on the daily, so much so that other countries will refuse extradition requests by the usa pretty often due to not wanting to allow people to be submitted to violations of international human rights laws, and still trying to argue that your prison system isn't a good enough punishment for the insane vengeance you crave.
Also anyone seriously claiming that America's state run/contracted mental health prisons are a hotel style rehab are out of their fucking minds and need to maybe look into how badly the usa has treated mental health issues for decades, or maybe that's the issue. Maybe the Americans claiming such bullshit should reflect on how much reagan and those after underfunded or out right destroyed the way Americans would treat mental health and stop acting like somehow they know know what the fuck goes on in these places before claiming they are all like some celebrity rehab center.
For the record, you're lying.
"Put her down" were your words. You think she's a sick dog.
And calling rehabilitation centers "luxury resorts" is awfully telling of your worldview. Like if we move prisoners out of iron cages and give them basic human dignity, they'll mistakenly believe they're on vacation.