I don't want to "refute" your points, because it doesn't matter to me if you like this or not. Don't believe I called you a nerd either, but no point continuing with this dishonest argument.
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The Expanse S4 |OT| Amazon Prime's Legitimate Salvage
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You were the only dishonest one here. We're all under the assumption that we are here on this forum to discuss our opinions but you chose to tell someone to calm down and take a deep breathe trying to make them feel stupid, rather than engaging in actual discussion. Is this a place where telling people to breathe and calm down after posting standard nerdy posts is ok? If that's the case, I'll be sure to tell every single person from now on that I disagree with to take a deep breath and calm down, because I am a condescending asshole!
Have they said anything yet about a season 5? I really enjoyed this season. Surprised to see people are down on it. It was really different from the last 3, but I thought that it felt right considering this is the start of a new arc basically. The aspect ratio thing didnt bother me as much as I thought it would. Yea it was dumb, but I thought it did look really cinematic in some scenes.
I think it was used to help distinguish between the new world and the old, while also making everything look more cinematic. I did think it worked well when it was used, but I dunno how well it would have worked with say the scenes with Bobby.
Having finished the season, I'm not really smitten either. Season felt like an empty cart spinning its wheels, like it needed to get to being the next Game of Thrones, and after seeing that played out, that's just not what I'm looking for anymore.
The other part is the billionaire-onomics that I felt seeping through the cracks. Oh, did you know UBI is bad when people don't have jobs, despite this universe getting everybody killed on the goddamn job? Are your space god billionaires not merciful?
"Daaaaa-aaad, Bezos is trying to teach me to love supply side economics again!"
They probably could have sped things up quite a bit, since they also had time to add all the Mars and UN stuff, which didn't really feel 'necessary' in terms of plot. Previous seasons were more economical with their time versus the material, or so it seems. Other than that it still feels like the same show, but it's also kinda 'off' in a way.
btw, in episode 6, when they enter the hole, you can clearly see the set wobble. Hehehe. Clearly the big bad here is Ed Wood for teaches us all to see that.
The other part is the billionaire-onomics that I felt seeping through the cracks. Oh, did you know UBI is bad when people don't have jobs, despite this universe getting everybody killed on the goddamn job? Are your space god billionaires not merciful?
"Daaaaa-aaad, Bezos is trying to teach me to love supply side economics again!"
They probably could have sped things up quite a bit, since they also had time to add all the Mars and UN stuff, which didn't really feel 'necessary' in terms of plot. Previous seasons were more economical with their time versus the material, or so it seems. Other than that it still feels like the same show, but it's also kinda 'off' in a way.
btw, in episode 6, when they enter the hole, you can clearly see the set wobble. Hehehe. Clearly the big bad here is Ed Wood for teaches us all to see that.
Just watched Episode 1 of the new season. Expanse is back baby! I feel like the Amazon production gives it a better quality overall. It was already a good show, but refined and polished even further. The visuals near the end of the episode are simply gorgeous.
I have one question, what is the Blue Goo Alex shoots at before they descend on planet Ilus?
I have one question, what is the Blue Goo Alex shoots at before they descend on planet Ilus?
That is the Roci's new railgun. The neon purple/blue is the gasses expelled from firing (?) and the visual signature for railguns in the show.
Just finished season 4.
Felt like a step down from previous seasons. Probably due to just being 10 episodes long.
Felt like a step down from previous seasons. Probably due to just being 10 episodes long.
I feel the season could have done with more of Miller.
He's by far and away the best character in the entire series, though the rest are also great.
They could have done more with the Investigator-Miller conflict too.
It just feels like a bit of a damp squib after the season 3 cliffhanger. I was excited for Holden and Miller investigated what wiped out the parent species of the protomolecule.
Feels like Miller jobbed at the first planet :(
But God damn was it great to have him fully back as the Miller we all love in episode 9. His send off got me too.
"Water. Rain is just water, doesnt really taste like anything."
I also love Miller in book 1, recently started reading it.
Wish we'd have gotten a Julie mention from Miller or Holden at some point at least.
He's by far and away the best character in the entire series, though the rest are also great.
They could have done more with the Investigator-Miller conflict too.
It just feels like a bit of a damp squib after the season 3 cliffhanger. I was excited for Holden and Miller investigated what wiped out the parent species of the protomolecule.
Feels like Miller jobbed at the first planet :(
But God damn was it great to have him fully back as the Miller we all love in episode 9. His send off got me too.
"Water. Rain is just water, doesnt really taste like anything."
I also love Miller in book 1, recently started reading it.
Wish we'd have gotten a Julie mention from Miller or Holden at some point at least.
Go read the books. Next to Amos, she's probably the most "accurate" character in this series.
The books also don't change aspect ratios during chapters.
This is a very common misconception about the show and book's depictions of Earth. Being on Basic isn't UBI.
This isn't some evil Bezos plan to fuck up the show...
https://twitter.com/AbrahamHanover/status/1172884008981524480?s=20
https://twitter.com/AbrahamHanover/status/1171870818457882625?s=20
I also find the critique of Avasarala's acting weird all of a sudden, this is her 4th season, and the actors around her are very much the same caliber. Regarding accent, well, that's just a weird thing to critique, if anything there aren't ENOUGH accents back on earth. How come pretty much all of the UN government sound American? like if you're going to critique the show for something, that'd be it (and the reason being, well, most of the actors are from the US...).
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There was a bit of hostility here earlier today that I'd really love to see curbed. Let's keep all debate civil and respectful here. We're better than this, beltalowda.
It was magnificent and clearly setting up for more seasons. ^ I knew to avoid Era while I was watching and there's way too much book talk for me to want to spend any time in here. just wanted to let you know that I loved it all :) thanks.
yeah, unfortunately the viewership isn't large enough to split discussion into book and non-book threads for this show. Would at the least make it much clearer on the spoiler rules with such a split. Then again, there are few open spoilers on the season itself in the thread as is.
Yeah best to just avoid I think. Shame but so be it. Just happy it's back!
Adam Savage interview with Dominique Tipper and Steven Strait
Steven sounds so different from his character...
Steven sounds so different from his character...
I don't wanna read this thread so that I don't spoil myself but can someone tell me, is it as good as the third season? I can't watch it yet.
I thought it was great. It's a bit different from the earlier season's though.
I still have 2 eps to go but so far to me S4 has been the 'least good' season of the series. It feels like a lot of setup for S5/S6 payoffs, comparable to S1 but with less character setup required. It probably suffers in the same way S1 did - you have effectively four separate plotlines happening in different places, with the bulk of the overlap just being some comms. So things can feel a little disconnected.
I'd still give it a B+ at worst and the setups do make me really excited for what could happen down the line. I've only read to book 3 but from what I've heard book 4 is the weakest/slowest of the entire series as well, so if S4 is the 'lowpoint' of the entire show then I'll be more than happy.
Chrisjen grew on me after a bit, though her voice does make it seem like she's struggling to speak loudly. I think S2 Chrisjen was peak for the character and actress. Holden I feel sorta zeroes in on a good level after S1. I think I liked Holden better in S1 on rewatch after reading the first three books - I think it was the writing rather than the acting that I wasn't hugely fond of for him and the book comparison made S1 show Holden much better.
I think the planet looks pretty solid (though I can do without the light blue filter), but maybe I'm just happy to have anything other than the Stargate "Weird how every planet looks like British Columbia" syndrome.
Totally understand this feeling (and felt the same when reading the book) but on reflection I think introducing the wider galaxy to the Expanse storyline via just one planet was a reasonable choice. It lets Ilus act as a microcosm for all of the issues humanity is going to have, without the storyline having to hop across multiple planets in multiple systems to make largely the same points. It also shows the scale of what humanity, in the show, is about to start trying to do: there's over 1300 systems and they're starting off with a few prefabs huddling on a single world that they don't begin to comprehend.
I honestly had no issues with how Ilus looked. It's supposed to be a more grounded sci-fi story, and this is pretty much how I'd assume a very basic settlement occupied by maybe a hundred refugees would look. I'd actually go as far as to say that I liked how the planet looked, especially in the later episodes.
I think Ilus looks fantastic. It may be a bit barren, but the cinematography has been great. Part of me wanted to see more alien elements- like those lizards that throw their stomachs at prey - but then you risk the CG looking cheap.
Filming began in October. Late 2020 or Early 2021 is likely.
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It'd help to show just how much time it takes to travel to the gate, and the planet.
Would give some much needed perspective on why things are moving slowly and we only have one small colony so far.
From what I understand it takes months to get to the gates from the inner planets and it's only been like a year or two since the gate opened, on top of that there's a blockade as everyone's deciding on how to approach the colonisation.
Would give some much needed perspective on why things are moving slowly and we only have one small colony so far.
From what I understand it takes months to get to the gates from the inner planets and it's only been like a year or two since the gate opened, on top of that there's a blockade as everyone's deciding on how to approach the colonisation.
On episode 9, I'm liking this season a good bit. They did a good job adapting the Ilus storyline, they streamlined it and got rid of some of the fat.
The only thing I'm not liking all that much is the Avasarala and Bobbie plotlines. It gives them something to do in a book that didn't have much Avasarala and (if I remember correctly) zero Bobbie. They're not terrible or anything but anytime they come up, I kinda just wanna them to switch back to Ilus.
Thanks to both of you, I'm curious to see what it being 'different' means. I'm definitely not against the idea of the showrunners actually changing it up a bit either. Guess I'll see in a few days.
I definitely understand the criticism with the Bobbie and Avasarala storylines. They were a bit lackluster overall. But what the show has done way better than the books is what they've done with Ashford. They turned him from a one-dimensional antagonist into a really fantastic character. Was really hurt to see him be spaced at the end there. David Strathairn did a really great job with that role.
Good season overall. I prefer season 3 but I sort of knew that coming into it. Very excited Season 5 is already coming in 2020.
Guess the analytics are showing it was a pretty big success. 2nd highest in demand Amazon show for the week and 7th across all streaming services with the Mandalorian crushing everyone (original series only). Not really sure how good these metrics are, but first feedback I've seen. Based on the Amazon ratings as well people have been liking it. All good things for the show I suppose. I realllllly want to see this show taken through the conclusion, the books got so good again in the third trilogy arc.
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Hopefully it continues to do well 'cus I need them to finish off the story with this budget.
Nearly binged the whole season and I had work in the morning.
I had no problem with Bobby or madame secretary it showed us how people not in the elite class back on earth and Mars are anxious to find an opportunity at a better life.
Only problem I have is they did not show us Amos delivering frontier justice on Marty's ass. Even though I kinda want to see Amos grow and keep his demons at bay.
I had no problem with Bobby or madame secretary it showed us how people not in the elite class back on earth and Mars are anxious to find an opportunity at a better life.
Only problem I have is they did not show us Amos delivering frontier justice on Marty's ass. Even though I kinda want to see Amos grow and keep his demons at bay.
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I didn't realize Marvelous Mrs Maisal was so popular. It's definitely getting more ad time on regular TV. Guess I'll give it a shot...
Huh. Well, I guess this helpful Word Of God at least takes that out, but it's never exactly mentioned on the show. In particular the whole 'overpopulation' angle is never even mentioned in the show, as far I can remember. Also, not being allowed to have kids sounds oddly similar to "service guarantees citizenship" from Starship Troopers (the movie) and as a more-or-less fascist statement indicating that Earth gov is just as authoritarian as Mars's, that seems like a weird omission from the show. Especially because the Martians referred to Earthers as being raised on paradise and luxury and all.
To be fair, the economics of The Expanse make no sense in physical terms anyway, but it stand out in this season because it was never established to work that way.
Which is kind of vital considering this whole season is focused on the ring to begin with.
I can't recall any specific quotes, but when Martians have said this, I think it's usually had the context of "you had a paradise planet and you wrecked it". For Martians (and Belters), the idea of effectively infinite free air and water is a preposterous dream.
As for whether Earth is authoritarian, to me the limit on births read as a single authoritarian measure in place as an attempt to tackle a severe overpopulation problem, and I don't think it says much about the rest of Earth's government and policies (which strike me largely as a mess).
I just watched it and I've literally no idea how you can think is the worst one time you've seen. No one is gonna be making writing books about how amazing it was but it was well shot, none of the action was confusing and it had great special effects. What made it the worst one take you've seen?