I stalled when I hit chapter 9. Up to that point it felt loaded with filler and honestly in the original game the Midgar section was the weakest part. Might just pick up part 2 when it comes out and not bother with finishing part 1.
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The end of the Final Fantasy 7 remake is such a slog...
- Thread starter PcPlasticFuzz
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What this game told me was that I'm not interested in the rest of the remake. If Midgar took this many years, had this much "padding"...there's no way I can even possibly get excited for anything else. So many towns, continents, locales, summons, etc? This remake is one bad decision after another, shooting for hyper realism and all this detail, when they could have scaled back CONSIDERABLY and made a significantly better game.
I'll buy any of the sequels to the remake on sale, not gonna Day 1 this anymore. Blech.
I'll buy any of the sequels to the remake on sale, not gonna Day 1 this anymore. Blech.
The boss fights were amazing. I don't get gamers sometimes. Walking is padding. Side quests are padding. Combat is padding. Well designed boss fights is padding. What is not padding at this point,? I can understand not liking the game or combat system, but complaining about boss fights when clearly a lot of care went into them (they are not just a bigger enemy with lots of HP, each is it own little puzzle) is just a bit beyond me. I mean. The fucking arsenal fight. So good.
Yep, hated the ending. Killed my interest in the other parts. I was so disappointed while playing the final 2 chapters. I knew something was wrong when the black robes/ghosts showed up the first couple times.
The partner AI is brain-dead to where you have to control them constantly and they don't get ATB bars filled as quickly as when you control them, so you end up needing to swap who you're controlling pretty frequently to do anything in a lot of cases. It's the only aspect of the game I can honestly say I didn't like, because it felt like the AI was tuned to be as stupid and useless as possible.
I agree wholeheartedly. I mean, boss fights is exactly where the combat system shines!
I actually liked the ending (Ch. 18), but yeah, you can turn even a fun battle system into something you dread if you just put player through fight after fight after fight with not much mechanical differentiation between them.
The Reno/Rude/Hell House boss fights were cool because they mixed things up a bit. By the end, it's all basically the same shit.
The Reno/Rude/Hell House boss fights were cool because they mixed things up a bit. By the end, it's all basically the same shit.
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Now I've realised I'm blocked from taking screenshots of the actual best looking bits of the game!!!
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"Slog" fits this game perfectly, it just feels so SLOW nearly constantly. I now it's due to loading, but there are so many sections where you suddenly can't run, or have to wait on long boring animations, etc. And why is combat so long? It got to the point that I didn't even like the boss fights because they just took way too long and felt like a drag.
I admit, I wasn't a big fan of the combat system in this game, which is weird because so many people praise it. I kept trying to like it, but it just never really clicked for me. Part of it is that I HATE games that feature delays/stunlock/stagger type mechanics, and I feel like I got frustrated a lot when I would get knocked down while casting a spell, or get killed while literally in mid-animation for using an item, or something like that. Note to game devs: There is nothing more frustrating and annoying in a game when much of the difficulty is obtained by preventing the player from being able to do things. Please stop that.
I admit, I wasn't a big fan of the combat system in this game, which is weird because so many people praise it. I kept trying to like it, but it just never really clicked for me. Part of it is that I HATE games that feature delays/stunlock/stagger type mechanics, and I feel like I got frustrated a lot when I would get knocked down while casting a spell, or get killed while literally in mid-animation for using an item, or something like that. Note to game devs: There is nothing more frustrating and annoying in a game when much of the difficulty is obtained by preventing the player from being able to do things. Please stop that.
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Overall it's fantastic in parts and utterly baffling in others. The original is way better imho.
For real. Half-way through the game I was like "I'm gonna 100% this game!"
By the end I was like "Nah I'm good."
I replayed the original this year too on the Switch. Such a great game and wonderfully paced.
Hell House can be beaten in minutes. You just need to pay attention...
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I played the original on PC before starting the remake. Couldn't agree more.
Yeah I was having a really REALLY difficult time getting through the game until I switched to Easy. Made the game go by much quicker and become much more enjoyable.
Could not disagree more with these takes. I was super skeptical of the remake but I love everything they did with it. Even the train graveyard. With one exception...
There are cool parts in Hojo's lab, but I would have appreciated it if they cut it down significantly. Maybe less "puzzles" there.
I funnily enough actually liked the boss gauntlet. Let's not forget the original FFVII towards the end of that section is also pretty much a boss gauntlet (argument being I suppose that there are even more bosses and less in the middle of them in this remake). To be fair I preferred the ending to the repeat sewer section (ch14) right before which was bad pacing.
I liked the train graveyard myself personally. After the demo I really thought this was going to be a classic. But the many additions were mostly awful. Some were fine, I wasn't averse to them adding stuff but it also had to be good. It wasn't sadly. The ending was not pretty and really dragged the game down for me to the point I'm not even bothered if they cancelled the rest of it.
It's not even that it was necessarily a terrible dungeon. It's just that it hits right as the story is moving toward a climax and stops the momentum dead in its tracks.
It's a similar problem with the Train Graveyard. The dungeon was fine on its own but you hit it when you know the Shinra attack is happening and it just seems to go on.
There were a couple segments in the back half of the game that dragged and chapter 17 felt particularly punishing, but I damn near forgot about all of it by time I got to chapter 18 as I was completely elated by the way everything went. But yeah, on my second hard mode playthrough, I wasn't feeling quite as forgiving, lol. The pacing is an absolute trainwreck in the second half.
I get why they felt like they needed to get in front of criticism and pad things out as much as possible, but I think the game would have been much stronger at about 2/3 of its length.
I get why they felt like they needed to get in front of criticism and pad things out as much as possible, but I think the game would have been much stronger at about 2/3 of its length.
it was... fine. which is still disappointing when i was expecting more.
while it's true the combat system was pretty great, I was getting a bit frustrated by a lot of the later boss fights because of how often the game would constantly take away control whenever the battle would shift into another sequence or goes into a quick cutscene before giving back control to me. much of the time it felt like the momentum was taken away right when I was getting into the 'zone', so the last few fights didn't leave a great impression on me and by the end I honestly don't feel motivated to go back do side stuff that I missed.
while it's true the combat system was pretty great, I was getting a bit frustrated by a lot of the later boss fights because of how often the game would constantly take away control whenever the battle would shift into another sequence or goes into a quick cutscene before giving back control to me. much of the time it felt like the momentum was taken away right when I was getting into the 'zone', so the last few fights didn't leave a great impression on me and by the end I honestly don't feel motivated to go back do side stuff that I missed.
I really want to finish this game, but it is such a slog, got right to the end of chapter 14 and just ended up dropping it. I want to go back and finish it but then I read threads like this and remember why I skipped it. Corridor levels, combat (I know im in the minority) I thought was frantic and chaotic, and endless backtracking made it so hard to stay engaged in what I otherwise thought was an extremely compelling story in a beautiful package.
Yeah, I mean, I definitely thought this is what I was doing. Its entirely possible my old, calcified brain just makes it impossible for me to do that effectively.. just never felt like I was in control, even when I was wildly switching characters all the time. Like trying to drive a car going 80 with no brakes. Every time I survived a difficult encounter it felt like dumb luck as opposed to being a master of the gameplay systems.
I just done tofa rescue from don. Its a slog and pain to play. How far am i ? Is it getting any better / faster anytime soon?
You probably were but it wasn't enough of what the game was demanding of you. I was legit tempted to kick myself down to casual or whatever a few times because it felt like it was getting my way of enjoying the game. Boss fights were taking so damned long that I was worried I had been doing wrong, particularly during a particular fight in HQ that just... aaargh it's making me frustrated thinking about it. My wife started the game not long after I did and on casual/easy with the same battle style, she flew through the Scorpion boss in the reactor about like the original game's pace was. I really do think some of their decisions were for the worse. I enjoy the battle system's ideas a whole lot, but they implemented the AI poorly and required too much use of elements, IMO.
I agree. I quit the game on chapter 18 and YT the ending. It was my first time playing FF7 and most likely my last game.
There were moments that were longer than I wanted, but the ending wasn't it. I thought everything after Mojo's lab was great.
Had to force myself to finish this game, and I have no desire to play it again. I'm pretty much done with Final Fantasy. It had a good run, but it's completely lost it's charm for me at this point. Plenty of others games to scratch my RPG itch with, though.
There's a shocking amount of stuff in this game that's plain bad. Pacing, some visual stuff. Combat system definitely isn't one of them tho.
Combat system becomes particularly incredible once you get ATB assist materia and use a single character to build up most of your party members ATB. It's just a really well thought out system, easily one of the best in a FF (I still prefer FFXII, tho I don't agree that gambits are needed for Remake)
Combat system becomes particularly incredible once you get ATB assist materia and use a single character to build up most of your party members ATB. It's just a really well thought out system, easily one of the best in a FF (I still prefer FFXII, tho I don't agree that gambits are needed for Remake)
Those slew of bosses right before you-know-who was so Kingdom Hearts and felt so much like padding.
Still a great game though.
Still a great game though.
It has a very 'Hobbit Trilogy' thing going on, it just doesn't feel right half the time and bloats something that is designed to feel and flow very differently.
See my thing is that I think Midgar DESERVES a full game. It's a massive city we see very little of in the original game. That's fine for what that game was actually about, but there's so much more you can do with that as a setting. They just went about it in the worst way possible. What they should have done was taken us to a bunch of new locations to see new sides of the city as a result of twists in the narratives. Something that would keep us interested and invested in what's going on but ties into the core story seamlessly.
Instead they just added a bunch of fetch quests and made all the existing areas 5x as large.