The Deep State is Russia and the GoP. The Deep State as Trump describes it doesn't exist, or Trump would have been "taken care of" by now.
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I get so sick of people talking down and saying others don't get it like you lot saying the same tired "it's never going to work out" mantra are on to something new yourselves. People get it, but none of it's a guarantee, so I ask what the fuck is the point in retreading it over and over? There hasn't been anyone for the most part that hasn't admitted trump will try to interfere and that we should prepare, but that somehow isn't good enough. I'm not sure if the goal is for everyone to be miserable and only assume the worst or what, but I'm not sure what reaction would be best suited for some of you regarding situations you're pretty much guessing the outcomes of in somewhat definitive ways. So knowing you and the poster are better aware of the situation at hand supposedly, what are either of you doing differently than any of other posters that you're criticizing day to day to prepare for this outcome (other than complaining on era about others not understanding)? Please share so the rest of us who are also affected better know how to prepare.
And I'm not saying don't discuss this kind of stuff because it's negative, I just don't get what exactly folks aren't understanding or how those who supposedly take this more seriously are better prepared for the events you're talking about. This narrative that no one thought he'd try some bullshit around election is false.
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PA MI and WI have democratic governors and the GOP lacks a supermajority. OH is barely a swing state. The article does go into the scenario where the governor and legislatures disagree creating a constitutional crisis in each state but at that point we are really approaching fantasy
Fuck that. Not paying attention to or caring about politics is what got us to this point in the first place.
Is it a fantasy when Trump himself said it today, and republican legislators in those states are already working toward it?
Fucker has been preparing for this election since he took office Day 1. He has just really ramped it up the past few months.
Anyone who thinks he is going to go quietly is delusional.
Everyone keeps saying they cannot wait until November.
While I get it and agree, just strap in. Shit is going to get uglier than it already has been all while Wave 2 will be in full effect.
The next year or so is going to be what sets the tone for the rest of the United States existence.
Do we somehow get out of this nightmare and get things back on track?
Or does it all burn to the ground?
Anyone who thinks he is going to go quietly is delusional.
Everyone keeps saying they cannot wait until November.
While I get it and agree, just strap in. Shit is going to get uglier than it already has been all while Wave 2 will be in full effect.
The next year or so is going to be what sets the tone for the rest of the United States existence.
Do we somehow get out of this nightmare and get things back on track?
Or does it all burn to the ground?
Seems reasonable. Classic dictator tactic.
People need to stay energized and ready to vote - which so far seems to be the case. Every response this year to clear suppression or attacks on legitimacy attempts has been met with massive Dem turnout in response. If that prevails, then there is hope to start picking up the pieces.
If he successfully convinces people that nothing is worth it, then the system will finally fully fall. And at that point, you're not even talking about the US as we know it.
I want to believe this can't happen, but the gop has proven time and again that no, actually laws don't matter, and they can do whatever the fuck they want.
The country will be annihilated or settle into a fascist autocracy that will grant him indefinite reigns as leader until the day he dies.
Both are wins in his eyes and in Master Putin's eyes.
That's assuming the election can be "stolen"... there remains a lot of doubt that's feasible. But that doubt is largely based on constitutional norms that have been subverted again and again over the past four years. I've been under the presumption that Trump can't win legitimately since March... and the Biden campaign has been making the right decisions every step of the way. Hopefully the American people follow through and that will be enough.
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I follow her and she's very good, but she doesn't provide a legal analysis here. My takeaway from the Atlantic article and the reason I posted it is to convince people to VOTE. That is what we can do right now. We can vote for Biden and convince others to do the same. (even Kanefield acknowledges that voter turnout is still way too low)
If the article gets a few more people off their asses or holds their nose to vote for someone they don't like, then good. If it gets Era to talk to people who don't give a shit and gets them to vote, then good. No outcome is certain, but voting for Biden is the best thing anyone can do for the each other right now.
I suppose the answer here is vote and vote early, becuase by election day you may not be able to. I expect all in the article and more, Trump is going to be in legal hell if he loses, he probbaly has nothignt o lose doing this.
Yeah the general feeling she's trying to convey is kinda lost when it seems that, actually, the president can kinda do whatever the fuck he wants if he has a complicit Senate and judicial branch- Which he now has.
All of those lower court seats he filled, in addition to the 3 seats he filled on the SCOTUS, could let him get away with whatever he wants.
No hyperbole, this feels like the great American experiment is on the verge of ending. I hope that Biden wins so convincingly this November that none of these interventions will make a difference.
I do think the most likely outcome right now is that Biden will win, and win by a large enough margin that all we get from Trump supporters is grumbling. Not violence, or at least not large scale or organized violence.
But just the fact that the GOP is so openly against voting, in so many ways, is devastating to our democracy. When one of just two viable parties takes the position that only members of its party deserve rights, it's hard to imagine a positive future for the country.
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I'll be honest, I didn't really care or follow either. Thought Republicans sucked and Dems sucked a little less.
What Terri Kanefield wrote is correct. Many of us inherited a beneficial Democracy and like many inheritances we took it for granted that it was ours and always would be. We (re)learned that Democracies are actually hard, hierarchy's are easy. Let someone else lead and take charge. It's a primal pecking order.
This is the tweet thread on it
https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1308799627647266818?s=20
and here
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@Teri_Kanefield: There may be a few who don't get it, but most do. In 2016, lots of Trump voters may not have understood what they are voting for—but not this time. Consider the definition of "liberal...…
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I feel sorry for you decent Americans, but the more news I see I feel like you are doomed for another 4 years.
Election is going to be tampered by Russia and Trump enablers to help Trump. Republicans seem to be ready do every corrupt thing not to lose.
I understand everyone should still vote but just seems like it won't matter because there are zero rules anymore.
Election is going to be tampered by Russia and Trump enablers to help Trump. Republicans seem to be ready do every corrupt thing not to lose.
I understand everyone should still vote but just seems like it won't matter because there are zero rules anymore.
No Captain America to save us from a real Hydra. We got to do it ourselves. We can never give no matter what, or every hero from George Washington to John Lewis and RBG whose struggle to create this nation and move it towards something better will be for naught. I refuse to let their legacies be meaningless in the end, especially for someone like Donald Fucking Trump. If the worst should happen, then we can't just bitch on Era or Twitter, we've got to mobilize. If someone is thousands of miles from DC and cant afford the trip, then we find a way to get them there.
Ok people, what the fuck.
Was everyone here politically active and aware from birth? Give me a break.
Do people honestly think that a lot of sane people are going to sit at home & not start rioting everywhere, including around the White House if Trump cheats through the election? It's happened plenty of times this year alone.
There are millions of people that are unemployed due to the pandemic & are fed up with Trump & his bullshit. They have nothing to lose at this point.
Even the military themselves hates Trump.
I've already said that while I do think that riots will happen, I'm not seeing the civil war that people think it is going to be. Again, once the tear gas, rubber bullets and pepper spray starts rolling regular people will back down.
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The upper echelon hates him. I think the line soldiers like him. But who knows.
This is how I understand it, in all likelihood the military will be paralyzed here.
They did a survey this summer and overall servicemen do not care for him.
If this happens the riots that would ensue would make everything that's happened this year look like nothing. Many lives will be lost, on both sides.
Yeah, he only has like 35% support.
Exactly. And it is disproportionately from enlisted members. He has abysmal support from the officer corps of military. That means the people that could keep troops in line for him basically hate him, and means he could never effectively handle/manage a military-powered coup. It's one of the (many) things that makes Trump incapable of going full Fascism in this country.
He thinks that people will act civilized afterwards and not storm the White House even as he does the opposite. Civility is a veneer only Democrats feel beholden to uphold
Hopefully we don't come to that because it would be messy no matter how you cut it.
So the legislators have the power to just ignore the popular vote and appoint their own electors? If that option is always available and isn't triggered by any special circumstances, the legal battles and deadline seem irrelevant.
I guess the voter fraud claims could create a veneer of legitimacy in the eyes of the public, but even without that the GOP legislators could say "fuck it" and appoint Trump electors anyway.
That's the Deep State "rejecting the will of the people." If you thought the Tea Party hijacking the 2010s was bad, Y'all Qaeda will be coming out with guns.
Fucking facts.
Let's see if the dems have the guts to hold their ground and go through with it.
Protests have largely been ineffective to actual change as we've seen over the recent months. So unless those people are prepared to transition into real violence and destruction to the point of dragging elected officials out of their houses or shutting down entire industries in mass, then it's largely irrelevant
Ah, I see, thank you for the clarification.
If the "deep state" the rightwing nutjobs say exists is so powerful, how come Trump is president?
Over 15 years ago, The United States repeated the false notion that it is a liberator that "spread democracy" to the world's nations that yearn to have it and unconditionally barked back at naysayers who questioned it.
Today, who would've thought that the nation that prided itself as an "exemplar of democracy" would struggle to implement and maintain the basic principles of a democracy? /s
Today, who would've thought that the nation that prided itself as an "exemplar of democracy" would struggle to implement and maintain the basic principles of a democracy? /s
Yeah, as I was reading through that thread it all sounded reasonable and logical but I just couldn't get this tweet out of my head the whole time..