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The Easy Allies 2019 E3 Betting Special: Total Degeneration (Place Your Own Bets! Payouts, Leaderboards, and EZA Ranks are live - Results are in!)
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We made bank my friend congrats. I went all in on this one with $400, how about you?
Counts as a no. Damiani asked about it.
When Bosman specified that the concert didn't count, I took it to mean that it wouldn't count if the date was released their prior to E3. Because the other interpretation doesn't make any sense — he would have been clarifying with the presumption that the date might be mentioned at the concert but not the press conference? Of course they will repeat the date if it was revealed prior to E3?
If you take the bet (as phrased) at its literal face value then yeah, a release date will probably be at the conference....but that hardly seems like it was really the intent or spirit of the actual wager.
Bet says "Will Finally Fantasy VII Remake announce a release date?" and Bets only apply to the major conferences (except Star Wars which also counted for EA Play). When Kyle says it doesn't count for the concert, he just means in the off chance they announce at the concert but then for some insane reason don't show/announce a date during the conference.
That won't happen, so it's essentially a confirmed YES, but since I have to maintain the integrity of the site in accordance with Bet Law, it won't be confirmed and live on the site until the date is announced during SqEnix's conference. And if hell does freeze over and there's no announcement... I would love to say NO, but would instead defer to the Council.
(None of that will be necessary)
I bet $420, so sadly I don't think I will be able to beat Huber's total since the Microsoft-Nintendo bet had better odds.
There's also the chance that the FF7 date goes to council over the issue of timing, so as may have won nothing at all. Which is annoying because I picked the FF7 bet specifically because there didn't seem to be any loopholes or room for interpretation, since Bosman said the concert didn't count.
i rewatched Damiani's section of the Betting Special and i am concerned at the "not at E3" NO and confirmation-ish answer from Kyle and Huber. it is honestly confusing.
Except why would Bosman even state that, since it only really muddies the issue for both people who want to vote YES and NO. Like, there's no reason for anyone watching to assume he's trying to cover the bizarre happenstance where SquareEnix somehow goes the whole conference without mentioning an already announced date. Damiani Voted NO on FF7 and Bosman immediately asks him directly if he thinks it will be at the concert instead, which goes to show that even Bosman considers the concert falling in the side of NO.
I'd additionally argue that the word "announcement"in the bet implies new information. For them to merely repeat established information does not constitute an announcement.
I don't mind waiting for a ruling though, and thanks for running the betting site :)
yeah i understand this angle now after rewatching that segment. it still seems off to me. going to see if i can get an answer before E3's end but as of now i won't feel confident ruling one way or another even after the trailer during the conference tomorrow.
Probably because he forgot the concert was before the press conference.
Yeah, I feel in this context you, by definition, cannot 'announce' or 'confirm' the exact same piece of information twice.
Me too. Let's hope they vote that it doesn't count as it was revealed at the concert.
I am also not convinced they will actually release the game at the date they just announced, but that's a whole other can of worms.
I just can't get myself to trust Square Enix release dates any more (which is also the reason why I voted no).
Next year I'm going full Huber
I have seen the light
I was so close to going all in on Phil taking over 24 seconds to speak
Ugh
I have seen the light
I was so close to going all in on Phil taking over 24 seconds to speak
Ugh
Put a ton down on the over for Phil Spencer introduction but also have been burned by Halo Infinite's disappointing showing (no gameplay at all!? Basically just a cutscene? Come on!)
Huber the prophet though. Everyone else just waiting to see how long their monologue is.
Huber the prophet though. Everyone else just waiting to see how long their monologue is.
h/t TheDarkKnight
The FFVII Remake Twitter account said it's an announcement. Anything in the conference would thus be a confirmation, not an announcement.
Letter of the law, baby (Kyle was innocent!).
Also, I didn't post this earlier, but here's my dumb ballot
I would be consistent on the letter of the law aspect even if I had voted yes xp
The FFVII Remake Twitter account said it's an announcement. Anything in the conference would thus be a confirmation, not an announcement.
Letter of the law, baby (Kyle was innocent!).
Also, I didn't post this earlier, but here's my dumb ballot
I have 0 Don bucks but I'm doing well so far. The only ones that are done that I bet money on aren't updated yet, but I won them (romantic scene and Phil Spencer)
I'm fucking broke
Nintendo wasn't mentioned at Microsoft...
and I can't believe FF7 got a release date
Nintendo wasn't mentioned at Microsoft...
and I can't believe FF7 got a release date
both of these are also open to interpretation so i can't call them until the Council decides, especially since they weren't even sure live (no consensus) about the 12 Minutes trailer
Yeah. I don't think anyone would reasonably say that Jedi: Fallen Order's release date was "announced" today just because it had a trailer at the Microsoft conference. It was announced Saturday at EA Play and then restated in a new trailer today.
If you want to go by the most literal definition of "announcement" then yeah maybe every known fact is being perpetually announced, but that seems like a silly way to interpret it.
It seems unlikely that he would forget that, since what most people suspect is that FF7 will follow the same release pattern as KH3 — trailer and release date at the concert, then more trailers at conferences.
Yeah, holy crap lol
LOL, yup, good call, like KH3.
I'm definitely curious how that's going to go since it'll obviously re-appear for announcement in S-E's conference tomorrow. So it will be in it.
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I was sure of no Nintendo at MS, went with 120, but didn't believe enough in myself, went back to 80 and bet 40 on Todd apologizing. What a mistake...
Also, @ the FF thing. I would think being announced at the concert means the date can't be announced at E3 anymore as well. You can't "announce" something that was already announced, Luigi's Mansion showing up in the Nintendo Direct won't be an announcement of it because it was already previously announced in another different event. I feel like Damiani was fully aware of this and the concert as well.
Also, @ the FF thing. I would think being announced at the concert means the date can't be announced at E3 anymore as well. You can't "announce" something that was already announced, Luigi's Mansion showing up in the Nintendo Direct won't be an announcement of it because it was already previously announced in another different event. I feel like Damiani was fully aware of this and the concert as well.
Yeah, that is the most fair way to think of it. Announcements can only happen once. If another event or press conference repeats an announcement that is just old news being re-iterated.
I don't regret going All-In on FF7, but it would have been much more thrilling to match Huber's bet and watch the MS E3 conference on pins and needles. "No Nintendo" was probably the best bet anyone could have made.
fireworksordie can you make tiebreakers on the leaderboard be decided by # of bets correct? And the inverse for the bets champion (where most Don bucks is the tie breaker). That would make sense to me. They could still share the same "rank number", but their order that they appear on the ladder could be decided by the tiebreaker.
The Final Fantasy VII bet is pretty obvious. Even if they talk about the release date in the conference, it wouldn't be an announcement, but merely a reaffirmation. You can't announce something twice. Case closed.
Definition of announce:
transitive verb
1: to make known publicly
It has already been made known publicly, thus it is announced and can't be announced again.
DON'T FIGHT ME ON THIS BOY, I'VE GOT A LOT OF MONEY ON THE LINE! 😂
Put down $100 on this baby. WE RICH NO-
Yo the "announcement" has been made. If it gets mentioned in the Square show again then it's just reiteration.
"make a formal public statement about a fact, occurrence, or intention."
Doesn't require it being the first time.
Even if they "reannounce" it, reannouncing is a form of announcement.
With one bet Huber knocked out every ally except one.... Kyle.
Payouts spoilers?
credit to ClarkZuckerberg on the Uneasyalliance subreddit
Kyle will have to win almost every single bet though lol
if you think they arent going to reannounce the release date when they show the game off tonight, i have a bridge to sell you. The exact date will be in Squeenix's conference. i suppose the committee could decide on whether that was when it was announced, given it was announced during the concert. I think that would be harsh though. A release date has been announced, it will be announced again at the conference.
damiani clarified if it would still count as announced if they announce beforehand during the concert and they said it wouldn't. It's a confirmed no.
"Smash Mouth will be added to Smash, with Guy Fieri as an echo fighter" as one of the final bets
Imagine the songs we'd get
lmao
Imagine the songs we'd get
lmao
h/t TheDarkKnight
The FFVII Remake Twitter account said it's an announcement. Anything in the conference would thus be a confirmation, not an announcement.
Letter of the law, baby (Kyle was innocent!).
Also, I didn't post this earlier, but here's my dumb ballot
I would be consistent on the letter of the law aspect even if I had voted yes xp
I hoping this goes to council. They announced it first at the concert, so the re-announcement at the conference shouldn't count.
since there are still a ton of bets to be decided i'm not super concerned about this but we'll see. i also don't entirely agree that the tiebreaker of same amount of bucks won should be the one who got the most correct, since someone who went big on barely anything should have the same chance at winning against someone who split over a bunch. right now the sort order for the tiebreakers is random.
i've posted and tweeted a bunch on this since that post you quoted - i'm leaning more towards the NO now but i don't have the confidence to do so unless i get proper confirmation from the Allies.
i have zero don bucks riding on this and i still say that if they say the release date again during their conference that it should count.