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The Division 2's Playerbase numbers are absymal on Xbox at the moment
- Thread starter Maneil99
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I don't take video games seriously. My job is serious. I come home to relax. I don't mean to sound mean or anything. I love games and you sound like a swell guy, as do most of the users here.
But I'm texting or on twitter or era like 50% of the time I'm on Xbox or PS4
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We have no idea if that was retention % or total players. Likely % and even so by how much? The game dropped out if the Top 5 far faster then reach dropped from #2
Nah it's an okay game to do solo. Matchmaking is straight forward and you can always get a couple of people to run the missions, gun down everyone and leave the group.
Don't need to do that almost mandatory LFG bullshit like Destiny 2, which I do play completely solo.
I enjoyed the original game but for whatever reason, the beta for Division 2 didn't grab me at all.
I think the new setting was a large part of that. It seemed so bland and boring compared to the original.
I think the new setting was a large part of that. It seemed so bland and boring compared to the original.
The core gameplay loop is *fantastic* IMO, the problem is endgame loot is an enormous deadend currently, there's a million layers of RNG you have to fight through to get an item that's the brand, slots, talents, and rolls that you want which is near impossible even with the (limited) calibration currently in place. I've got about 250 hours in the game and I've gotten maybe 3-4 minor upgrades in the last.....100 hours? Literally nothing in my loadout is ideal and I'm basically completely ignoring skills as that requires an even further layer of RNG in needing to slot skill stats/mods. It's completely insane. I forget my exact stat but last time I looked I've looted something like 15k items, and 99.9999% of them were trash. For example, one of the most important stats is damage to elites which only rolls on masks; it can roll up to 50%, in my entire time playing I've never seen higher than 36%, and maybe only 6-8 total above 30%.
The game is a blast to actually play and I still hop on here and there and put on some music and just chill and go around doing stuff and killing people and it feels great; but the endgame loot situation is so bad that if you want to really raid or build any sort of endgame setup it's impossible unless you're incredibly lucky or you're just hardcore nonstop grinding. At the same time it's a weird problem because outside of the Raid and maybe some Heroic difficulties (which don't seem worth the additional hassle) you can destroy anything in the game, so you also kind of don't need anything approaching optimal to clear content other than the Raid?
So yeah, I really like the game, but there's really not much to do at the endgame currently unless you want to fight one of the worst layers of RNGesus I've ever seen for small gains and/or to do the Raid. It's probably going to be near the top of my favorite game and also most disappointing game of the year lol. I'm not remotely surprised that it's fallen off hard, and looking at reddit and other places people are definitely not thrilled with the current endgame situation. I have no idea how this was playtested (?) and this wasn't identified as sort of an immediate glaring issue. I don't know that they turn things around in time for any kind of big resurgence. On PS4 I have no problems getting matchmaking for the daily missions and weekly invasion stuff, but everything else is very hit or miss or takes a while.
Edit: This is a good post today on Reddit from someone who's got 630 hours in the game that puts it fairly well:
The game is a blast to actually play and I still hop on here and there and put on some music and just chill and go around doing stuff and killing people and it feels great; but the endgame loot situation is so bad that if you want to really raid or build any sort of endgame setup it's impossible unless you're incredibly lucky or you're just hardcore nonstop grinding. At the same time it's a weird problem because outside of the Raid and maybe some Heroic difficulties (which don't seem worth the additional hassle) you can destroy anything in the game, so you also kind of don't need anything approaching optimal to clear content other than the Raid?
So yeah, I really like the game, but there's really not much to do at the endgame currently unless you want to fight one of the worst layers of RNGesus I've ever seen for small gains and/or to do the Raid. It's probably going to be near the top of my favorite game and also most disappointing game of the year lol. I'm not remotely surprised that it's fallen off hard, and looking at reddit and other places people are definitely not thrilled with the current endgame situation. I have no idea how this was playtested (?) and this wasn't identified as sort of an immediate glaring issue. I don't know that they turn things around in time for any kind of big resurgence. On PS4 I have no problems getting matchmaking for the daily missions and weekly invasion stuff, but everything else is very hit or miss or takes a while.
Edit: This is a good post today on Reddit from someone who's got 630 hours in the game that puts it fairly well:
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"Highest monthly active players since 3" And at the time of this article they were gaining players, not losing them. Keep saying "HaLo iS dEaD" though.
https://www.inquisitr.com/3287010/halo-5-player-count-increasing-monthly-highest-since-halo-3/
as the last place console, XBO is probably not the platform where multiplayer-focused multiplatform titles are expected to thrive the most.
It's a combination of:
1. Mundane loot (like in these types of games the loot you get needs to be priority 1, this is the MAIN thing that drives people to play these games. If you have boring and tiresome loot people will not stick around for it).
2. Boring world - The actual design of the world is fine in terms of layout/mechanics, but it is just not a very pleasing or unique environment to explore. The world of the first game was, from a visual standpoint, more unique and things with it's wintery landscape and design. The world in The Division 2 just feels fairly mundane and a lot of similar looking areas. They need more variety, heck I'd love to have seen weather/season changes which would have helped this out a lot.
3. Repetitive mission design. A ton of the missions boil down to, "go to x place, wait for enemies to attack, fight off wave after wave, hit new checkpoint, rinse and repeat" to the end.
1. Mundane loot (like in these types of games the loot you get needs to be priority 1, this is the MAIN thing that drives people to play these games. If you have boring and tiresome loot people will not stick around for it).
2. Boring world - The actual design of the world is fine in terms of layout/mechanics, but it is just not a very pleasing or unique environment to explore. The world of the first game was, from a visual standpoint, more unique and things with it's wintery landscape and design. The world in The Division 2 just feels fairly mundane and a lot of similar looking areas. They need more variety, heck I'd love to have seen weather/season changes which would have helped this out a lot.
3. Repetitive mission design. A ton of the missions boil down to, "go to x place, wait for enemies to attack, fight off wave after wave, hit new checkpoint, rinse and repeat" to the end.
it was kind of the same last generation. games like call of duty did a lot worse on ps3 than on 360
Literally the top 23 games on OPs list are all multiplayer games.
Was my favorite game that I played this year but I stopped playing when the Raid came out. I just do not play games that are structured like that. It is actually a testament to the game itself I played it as long as I did. It helped I had a good friend who it is all he played so I would always team up with him, but the whole keep playing just for better gear and nothing else really is a turn off. But I EASILY got my money's worth out of the game. I basically paid about a dollar an hour to play. That is a fucking bargain to me. And the first 40 hours or so were really enjoyable. Then it started to feel like nothing but a grind.
I don't think they should have reeled in the graphics/physics tech. They should have instead blown us away by topping the fidelity of the first one.
I don't know if that would have kept people around but it would have at least sold more so you'd probably get more people sticking around overall.
The game honestly just looks like a downgrade.
I don't know if that would have kept people around but it would have at least sold more so you'd probably get more people sticking around overall.
The game honestly just looks like a downgrade.
I will never understand the dislike for D.C as a setting. Far as I'm concerned, its far more compelling than NYC.
I'm convinced some people like NYC better only for the bloody snow. I wonder how they'll feel that despite we return to NYC in Episode 3 DLC, its gonna be during summertime
I'm convinced some people like NYC better only for the bloody snow. I wonder how they'll feel that despite we return to NYC in Episode 3 DLC, its gonna be during summertime
My brother and I picked it up as our weekly multiplayer game, but after hitting 20ish hours of playtime over a few weeks and still only being like 2/3 of the way through the campaign, we kind of got bored and dropped it. I know that's kind of how the MMO experience goes, and while the game felt "fine", it just wasn't keeping my interest/attention. Well-made technically, but kind of dull is how I would describe it, I guess?
"worse"
Less doesn't necessarily mean it didn't sell well in respect to the userbase size except on the number one console last gen actually, where this logic falls flat.
Wii.
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But this game is losing compared to other MP games. And CoD was still Ps3s biggest MP game despite not selling the same as 360.
Not to mention games that do show player counts have Cbox one hitting above its weight in MP games (Destiny 2 Trials of Osiris playercoubt, Battlefield player trackers) all had Xbox closer to PS4 then world wide sales totals would indicate.
This is how I feel!!! I really hope we can trade in digital games next gen lol
Boring setting, boring weapons, boring skills, boring cover based shooting mechanics. Compare the stale shit in The Division 2 with Destiny or Borderlands. Which games look more fun?
I sold the game a month after launch despite buying a Y1 pass. I just got bored, frankly.
F76 has made an insane comeback. It's pretty shocking, actually.
those are good points
but there are lots of indications the division 2 is doing well overall, including sales numbers. how come it seems to be doing poorly on xbox specifically?
Enjoyed the hell out of my time with the game up until hitting the real endgame. Between the team demonstrating with their attitude that they didn't care about the differences between PC and console and how that negatively impacted the raid experience for console players, and that I was spending half my time playing doing inventory/build management, I dropped off the game and am unlikely to return as a consistent player. They really need to streamline their loot/gear so I don't have to micromanage stats and inventory constantly.
I'm interested to see how much of an impact the far smaller platform size the Xbox One enjoys has on third-party online games. Perhaps that will push the conversation on cross-play to the limelight? Maybe that's why Phil Spencer vouched so strongly for the measure in the first place?
Because it's an Xbox specific list. We don't have these 'most hours played this week' lists for PlayStation or PC.
The game can have sold really well (and it has, apparently) and still not be played as much as other games. This list is a list of hours played, not sales. I would presume it'd be a similar list on other platforms if they had them.
We can compare Top Selling charts (because other platforms has those) and The Division 2 isn't in the Top 35 selling games currently on the PlayStation store. It caps out at 35. It's number 85 on the Xbox Store. So it seems like the sales have dropped off massively. It's no surprise that the number of hours played this week have too, as evidenced by the list in OP.
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There are no indications it's doing well population wise. This is likely the same on PS4. Ubisoft boasted sales numbers but wouldn't mention anything regarding active users. Something all publishers love these days
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Even BF1 which is almost last on the list for too 50 has 6-8k players. Higher daily then PS4 on BF1stats.com
Xbox does well for MP multiplats. It's obviously typically less the. pS4 but much closer then the sales split would have you expect. Destiny 2 had 30-45% more players back when we had playercounts despite over double the install base
Me and my friend group hard dropped it once we did the end game stuff - this was before the raid. We decided we'd go back to it in 1-2 years when there's a lot more to do, like we did with Div1.
Massive have tried to make fixes but build variety just isn't there and it doesn't help that the raid was poorly received on both XB1 and PS4. I've put 120+ hours into it and have maxed out my enjoyment for the game.
If they fix the loot system maybe I'll come back. It's just repetitive at this point.
If they fix the loot system maybe I'll come back. It's just repetitive at this point.
Sales don't equate to engaged player base. If people just beat the campaign buy don't stick around then something needs to change with ubi and the games roadmap
I liked it better than D1 which I LOVED but there are so many other games out that hold my interest far more or require my immediate attention.
I mean also this is a most played list and people that are really into F76 are REALLY into it. So they probably play more boosting it's numbers
Not surprising. The first one also had player retention troubles, but everyone wrote the reason off as being the lack of endgame content. I guess this disapproves that idea.
Also you can have a best selling game and still suffer from player retention problems. Look at Black ops 4 and Apex on that list. Massively successful games that are both being topped by R6 Siege. Xbox players love their siege for some reason.
Also you can have a best selling game and still suffer from player retention problems. Look at Black ops 4 and Apex on that list. Massively successful games that are both being topped by R6 Siege. Xbox players love their siege for some reason.
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Yeah, this has been a major issue for me since the first game, and they still couldn't come up with something to remedy it. They can show off some rare outfit in the store menu, but I couldn't care less about getting any of them. Especially since they'll be hidden under the bulky armor parts that you can't hide anyway.
I'm in the same boat, but I'm also trying to take my time with it. I know there is more content on the way soon, so I'm playing other things now before I get back into the game.
If this combo was core reason then Destiny 2 also would have gone down the shitter long time ago.
Real story? Not really if you have played V over past few months. Nothing story and surprising about game having really bad retention and active playerbase issue.
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Eh Destiny exotics and armour is visually appealing, as are the locations. I really liked DC though so that wasn't an issue, More so the cosmetics and guns