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The Division 2 to not be sold on any 3rd party sites after March 15th, following Epic's deal with Ubisoft [Up: Pulled from third-party stores]
- Thread starter GhostTrick
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Like... never? Unless Epic gives them a big fat check, they wouldn't place their games exclusively on that store.
And sales must be really low, considering none of the companies that have signed these deals with Epic have posted if the sales were good or bad. Not even that.
Men lie, Women lie but numbers don't
I mean, if someone comes to Steam to play DOTA and buys 12 other games over time, that seems like a win for Steam? I guess that graph doesn't say if those other games are also free to play, but still.
No snark and I agree with your overall sentiment.
BUT there is a lot value for companies to have you and others as a number to tout to other companies/investors/press as 'monthly active users'. Doesn't matter if you spend $1,000 or a dime. There is value with you just being there.
I am not suggesting you stop anything at all. But this is the catch-22 with certain services.
There's very real probability that the fracturing of the PC launcher space will lead to higher piracy rates.
Yeah, the "not being there" is precisely the reason why the jailbreaking is the important part. :P
I've only gotten Subnautica so far, so hopefully I've avoided inflating the MAU number for them.
Yes but now imagine the store has thousands of games and you're a developer. Gotta be pretty lucky to be one of those 12. Plus, are you gonna hedge your bets on the F2P player base or the base that is known to use the client to buy stuff other than battle passes?
so you think Epic is going to keep paying for games to be off steam for the rest of its existence as a Store?
Because so far that is what it is taking to do so.
Dude this whole epic thing is working out GREAT.
We've done this enough times, where you are starting to show your ass when you are cheerleading for this. it's transparent in a lot of cases that this is for no other reason then your fantasies about steam being dismantled one way or another.
Hear me now, believe me later. Steam is perceived as posing threats, real or imagined, in many directions. This explains and predicts the character of epic store support here.
We've done this enough times, where you are starting to show your ass when you are cheerleading for this. it's transparent in a lot of cases that this is for no other reason then your fantasies about steam being dismantled one way or another.
Hear me now, believe me later. Steam is perceived as posing threats, real or imagined, in many directions. This explains and predicts the character of epic store support here.
Jesus, even Apple is falling from the pedestal of never discounts. Nintendo is doing deals on their titles lately. What are these people high on? This is a bunch of code that takes no effort to reproduce and there are so many games available most people don't have time to play the ones they want to play. You don't give me a discount on one shlooter, I got others to play. Same for FPSs, MoBAs, just about any kind of game.
They dont want discounts because their cut literally cannot handle it. They are already passing anything and everything they can onto the consumers, are they sustainable if company's start discoutning their games, and even further reduce their revenue?
I absolutely do not think they will keep doing that.
I think if they can do that long enough to get people used to buying games on Epic, they eventually won't have to.
It's a gamble, but honestly if you can convince the publishers this is worth their time as a way to increase profit, it will work.
Big publishers wont go to EGS, they will use their own store where they get 100%.
Ubisoft accepted the payment from Epic because it was a nice way of knowing what they would lose in their GAAS games (the ones where most of the money comes from MTX) from going to Steam to uPlay while not losing any possible money due to the financial help from EPic.
First of all: If. Not when. Nothing's a guarantee, especially in this industry. Second: even if such a scenario occurred, I have enough games on Steam to last me the rest of my life. My backlog there is nearing quadruple digits thanks to bundles and whatnot. I can comfortably stick to my guns on this one.
You mean like ubisoft, who just at the same time TD2 was being released and given exclusivity., released another game on Steam? But i thought the EGS was the best way to increase profit?
What like how basically every game has been sold on steam for the past 10 years?
It will be interesting to see how UBI handles titles going forward, because it seems like Anno 1800 is still coming out on Steam:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/916440/Anno_1800/
Didn't realize Trials Fusion is on Steam too.
Arcade55 it's a little early to throw out future hypotheticals that don't exist yet. Games For Windows Live tried to bully it's way into the market and failed spectacularly. My gut feeling though is Epic is going to have to win over customers organically than trying to force them to their platform.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/916440/Anno_1800/
Didn't realize Trials Fusion is on Steam too.
Arcade55 it's a little early to throw out future hypotheticals that don't exist yet. Games For Windows Live tried to bully it's way into the market and failed spectacularly. My gut feeling though is Epic is going to have to win over customers organically than trying to force them to their platform.
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So fuck me for buying this on PC via the Uplay? Stay classy.
This is kind of my point. Even if Epic Store or some other platform pushed it's way in I don't think it will have the devastating effect on PC Gaming that a lot of people in this thread think it will.
They will behave as if it will. I'm just not convinced they are right and not just the old guy yelling at the kid to get off their freshly mowed yard.
I cancelled my PC Pre-order today. Not because of this but because I got my hands full with games for the next weeks. Guess I won't get it then.
I have no problem with the epic store, I just don't like to pay full price for games. If they take away the key reseller prices... Well I'm not going to buy it.
I have no problem with the epic store, I just don't like to pay full price for games. If they take away the key reseller prices... Well I'm not going to buy it.
And yet you cant wait for it?
That was 16 years ago when internet wasn't good enough anywhere with caps all over. It's a different time now (except for US mostly) and with PC being backwards compatible, who wants 1000 cds lying around? I wouldn't go digital on consoles because you still need to buy a remastered version for the next console if you wanna play it there.
Well, thats good I guess.
Not necessarily a Sony fan, but more of a console player. While I got no problems with that, your first post kinda makes you look like someone who is trying to rile people up, while not even playing on PC.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war
Tim Sweeney 3 years ago ladies and gentlemen.
So what you're saying is, Epic wants to Make PC Gaming Great Again.
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I love how people who say it themselves "I don't play on PC anymore BUT" and then proceed to claim a lot of bs.
Any game sold on Steam could be sold anywhere else, it might have needed the Steam client, but you could get it from numerous different stores which then competed with each other by having sales and different prices. That doesn't happen with Epic exclusives. Does this really need explaining?
lol, why does a deal like this even make sense? They were originally only selling the game on Uplay, where they get 100% of the money, and third-party websites that they gave keys to.
So Epic handed them a bunch of money to essentially take a pay cut on sales of the game on their store?
It's one thing to pull a dev off Steam who was gonna lose 30%. But a dev who already has their own Steam competitor that's significantly better than the Epic Launcher?
All this news makes me want to do is buy a cheap Uplay key while I still can.
So Epic handed them a bunch of money to essentially take a pay cut on sales of the game on their store?
It's one thing to pull a dev off Steam who was gonna lose 30%. But a dev who already has their own Steam competitor that's significantly better than the Epic Launcher?
All this news makes me want to do is buy a cheap Uplay key while I still can.
You seem to be missing one key point that puts his point of view and ethics into a crystal clear perspective...
Back then, it wasn't his own company he was talking about.
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That was a waaaaaay different situation. Much greater scale and importance. More insidious, too. I guess you could say it was more Microsoft. What epic is doing here is just a little Microsoft.
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Hmmm, this makes me wonder if Epic will use giving away free games as a way to skew their statistics to investors/publishers/the press. After a year, they can claim they have X million users with an average games "purchased" of Y+12 (ie.the free games.) It can make the store look a lot more successful than it actually is.
To be fair though, I feel the free games are among the few things Epic is doing "properly" to drive people to the store -- alongside regional pricing, better dev cut, "first party" exclusives, lower prices on a few games etc.. If they only did stuff like that, I'd actually be cheering them on!
As someone who only has a vague idea of how these deals works, what's the benefit for Ubisoft here? I'd guess it's just the optics of not wanting prices to be lower on some random third party site while also driving sales to the platforms where they get the biggest cut right?
Business-wise, I get the decision in terms of potential to make more from each sale. As a consumer, I would rightfully be annoyed about having less purchase options though.
Business-wise, I get the decision in terms of potential to make more from each sale. As a consumer, I would rightfully be annoyed about having less purchase options though.
Probably that devalue an issue, and maybe a little wad of cash from epic. And the fact that the game being pulled from steam and smaller stores will divert people to ubis launcher just as much as epics launcher.
Blokes such a fucking hypocrite. Didn't take long for him to turn into a corporate bastard once the serious dollars started rolling in
The positives for Ubi are:
1) Cutting out sellers that both undercut their pricing and give a smaller cut.
2) Driving users from third parties and Steam directly to Epic, theoretically, who gives a larger cut. However, since EGS has very few notable features whatsoever, there's almost no point in buying there -- unlike Steam. So people will "cut out the middle man" and go Uplay.
3) Allowing them to dip their toes into Uplay exclusivity without technically doing so. It gives them a kind of plausible deniability.
4) Getting a fat cheque from Epic for doing it, on top of the above.
Wasn't that because they were doing something fancy with IE/Office and not providing proper switching options?
That's gonna be one small ass parade and everybody is gonna be dressed as Sailor Moon
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When they fail to convince publishers that it's worth it to hand exclusivity over to the epic's store. I will be interested to see the fallout than.
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Wow this is just so amazing. I have no stake in this, so I am going to enjoy the salt.
Your avatar may be trash but its still infinitely better than anime.
Gritty is one of those Sailor Moon Monster-of-the-Week. Just use one of her powers to reverse the transformation.
... If you are a big corporation, why the fuck would you go Epic instead of making your own client?
does this mean i can't buy a key from CDkeys???????
because if so FUCK EPIC. i ain't paying £50 for this game.
because if so FUCK EPIC. i ain't paying £50 for this game.
You can until the 15th I believe. After that, Epic Game Store or direct from UBI Soft
PC Gamer has a story about it now
https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/the-division-2-wont-be-available-from-third-party-stores-after-launch/