I see you moving goal posts and running away from your argument.
First it was valves fault for the cut.
Now consoles have the excuse of hardware.
What's your next goalpost?
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The Division 2 Is Ditching Steam For The Epic Games Store On PC [See Threadmarks]
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First it was valves fault for the cut.
Now consoles have the excuse of hardware.
What's your next goalpost?
I'd rather they actually make their platform better.. rather than invest in things that don't make their platform better - like exclusives.
Canas Renvall I'd prefer that you send me the 10 Steam dollars in Wallet money so that I can choose my game. Thank you.
I've covered this already in another post; Ubisoft is savvy enough to understand the importance of reaching a wider market than what their current platform supports. The question for them is which external platform is suitable to their needs. Overall they clearly expect Epic's to deliver, moneyhat or no. My semi-educated guess here is that Epic has shown that they have a very profitable userbase, meaning their users are more valuable in dollars than your average Steam user.
Also, I don't know what the DLC dealio is for uPlay games on Steam, but if Steam is taking a cut of all DLC sales too, then that gives Ubisoft an even stronger case for moving to Epic, as it'll increase the LTV for their titles significantly. If true, this would also detract from the idea that it's the moneyhat that'll make up for lost sales, because this won't cover the overall hit in LTV from DLC/MTX in the long term.
At least match the most basic features Steam introduced literally a decade ago when you launch your platform.
People act like this is some impossible challenge, which is frankly laughable when we are talking about a company like Epic. It's ridiculous.
I don't really care but the Steam defenders need to admit to the shovelware problem on Steam is large issue for smaller developers who want their games to not be hidden with all the trash.
If this was 2003, I could accept it. But we are in 2019, and Epic is receiving billions of dollars from Fortnite and UE4 royalties. No excuse to release a barebone product now.
But exclusive titles don't make a platform better, except for list wars in platform warrior arguments.
How do I get a better experience because someone paid to keep the game I'm playing off other platforms?
Customer-facing features actually do make my gaming experience on a platform better. Maybe the so-called competitors should invest in some.
Wait, maybe you are joking. I hope you are but it's hard to tell in these threads.
Yeaaa, I just want a new Orange Box. Even though it'll never be what it could have been... I'll still take it. Also just forcing Valve to get back into the game-space would be so nice, I love their offices.
The store page didn't have a pre-order button as of this week. Were pre-orders on Steam actually enabled or is the cache just wrong?
Why would be as PC consumers, want to enter on a exclusivity war between storefronts?
Exclusivities don't end on better products for the consumer, just ends on more segmentation and more exclusivities. Which is proved that Epic is not even trying to match the feature set of Steam at this point and is just throwing moneyhats to the table.
You also don't have proof that Valve was the first platform to get a 30% cut yet here we are...
Apart from the historical precedent of other launchers, i have no reason to give them the benefit of a doubt that they might improve some day.
They are selling games now and as such also have to offer the same service now.
Fair dos, a partnership doesn't mean money but it means it's likely. Man of my word, PM me with your game of choice GhostTrick
Edit: saw your message, PM me your Steam name and I'll send it!
I wasn't going to buy it. But if ubisoft wants to remove their games from my main platform it means I am very much much much more unlikely to buy their titles in the future unless it's a game I have been highly anticipating.
Do you have data that proves that ?
I'll tell you what: If your game is lost beyond "trash", maybe that's because it's part of it ?
The thing is, good games are hidden behind better games.
But Bronson, how else are we to discuss things? By being civil? On the internet? In 2019? Pff. (/s)
Really curious to see how the Epic store looks a year from now. Will they start adding other features as their playerbase grows? (probably)
Competition is always exciting.
Competition is always exciting.
yeah it was up for pre order for a while if I remember correctly
Valve released artifact and is working on In the valley of gods.
Nope. I also have a PC and a steam and a uplay and whatever account. I simply don't care as much about the store I buy a game from. Other than the windows store that sometimes simply does not work they are all fine by me.
So which games don't deserve to be on Steam.
And which devs will get tossed off?
9/10 the same devs complaining about the 'trash' will be the first devs throughly off for having 'trash' games.
I've seen it brought up a few times from smaller devs over the years.
Have they added anything people were requesting a couple of months ago?
are you offering a suite of features and functionalities that will benefit both GhostTrick and his players?
It would be pretty awesome if Epic forced Valve to clean up their forums by coming up with a better alternative but....they didn't.
People like to talk about how great competition is, and it is in theory, but the only thing Valve can do to "counter" Epic is to moneyhat games themselves.
Cause that is all Epic has over Valve, really. There is literally no thing they do better. And I fail to see how another dumb console war only now on PC would benefit anybody.
People like to talk about how great competition is, and it is in theory, but the only thing Valve can do to "counter" Epic is to moneyhat games themselves.
Cause that is all Epic has over Valve, really. There is literally no thing they do better. And I fail to see how another dumb console war only now on PC would benefit anybody.
Yea I'm pretty sure steam takes a cut on DLC and mtx sales because if you try to get something ingame for an Ubi game it will ONLY process the payment through steam. You cannot pay for those directly via visa, mastercard, ccbill etc (which you can if the game is uplay only) without steam processing it first.
Nah need receipts for those claims when such "shovelware" is a tiny percentage of the total games on the service, plus if you're genuinely selling less than some of them (and it does happen!) then the fault lies more with the devs at hand.
Devs aren't losing out to "trash", they're struggling amongst the sheer amount of games on the service.
Valve can absolutely improve it's algorithims for recommendations, but it's curation strategy? Nope, valve has already proved in the past why it works as it allowed hits to come about that would have been ignored such as Stardew Valley or the VN genre.
The problem of Steam right now is not shovelware, it's the growth of the market is much slower than the amount of offer. Steam gives it's consumers enough tools to avoid shovelware and to filter the games they are being shown.
So is not a problem with steam but inherent to the platform, by going to the Epic Store you are basically ignoring the problem, not fixing it.
For all these "no steam, no buy" people, have you ever bought an Ubi game on Steam? All your Steam copy does is launch Uplay so you can then launch the game.
If you're going to buy The Division 2, might as well buy it on Uplay.
If you're going to buy The Division 2, might as well buy it on Uplay.
iirc it just converts the price to your currency, so $60 to whatever that would be in your local currency
Some of you seem to think that Ubisoft wasn't paid by Epic.
Let me just say that even if they aren't given cash directly, the profit off of this deal. That's why they are doing it.
Let me just say that even if they aren't given cash directly, the profit off of this deal. That's why they are doing it.
I can see it also, they have failed to innovate with the times, they plowed all that money in to STEAM machines for it to fade into nothing
Years from now it could be like the Ancient Aztec Empire, where we find old relics and ruins of a once mighty STEAM that have wasted away over the years due to Valves' stubbornness
Do they have data to back that ? What was their game ?
Because I seen some devs whining about that it's true. And when I saw their game, I think they might have a too high opinion of their own product.
