The Division 2 Is Ditching Steam For The Epic Games Store On PC [See Threadmarks]

AlexBasch · Jan 9, 2019

Branson said:
Let's not get too hasty here jeez.

Well I care about the price and I just hope the Epic Store doesn't go overboard with the cost of the game.

Also, for a second there I thought Ubi wouldn't use Uplay so I went "whaaat?" and realized I can get the game there, Ubisoft doesn't fuck up with the prices in my region. Yet.

BoosterDuck · Jan 9, 2019

DrakenAstro said:
Seems to be getting a lot of games as of late though. Wouldn't be surprised if more big games comes exclusively to it. Fortnite has done wonders to Epic Games

the only reason people have Epic Games Store installed is for Fortnite

like with the Riot Games launcher and Battle.net

Deleted member 5864 · Jan 9, 2019

DrakenAstro said:
I don't mind to be honest. A steam competitor was bound to happen

There are already several Steam competitors tho. We had this same song and dance when EA pulled out.

It would be nice if they would start, you know, actually competing when it comes to feature set and consumer focus tho.

Lothars · Jan 9, 2019

Nome said:
lol, do you actually believe the bolded? Ubisoft are more business-savvy than EA. They understand the benefits of reaching a market outside their own ecosystem. Epic offers a more bespoke selection that allows their offerings to stand out among the crowd. Ubi clearly understands the benefits and downsides to making the switch, and has determined that it's going to be a worthwhile risk. Reducing this down to a moneyhat is ignoring that Ubisoft is the most forward-looking of all the AAA's and likely has a grasp of the situation.

I don't think it's ignoring anything. They are losing a big portion of the revenue from steam and if it wasn't an incentaive thing they would be releasing it on both steam and epic game store but they are not. So to me the only conclusion to make is epic is moneyhatting them which they have done a bunch lately.

OneBadMutha · Jan 9, 2019

If it's moneyhatting...

Then is it just for this one game? Moneyhatting isn't a sustainable business model...especially with the margins Epic gets in return. It would make more sense to buy the publisher.

The store fronts have customers to consider outside of just the people who buy games. Publishers and developers are their customers too. If one store is giving better deals to their customers than another store, that customer has a right to switch stores.

I don't understand what's immoral about this. No I don't think Steam is a monopoly. Yes I understand why consumers prefer their launcher over others. Yes I understand the risk developers and publishers are taking by trading the install base for better margins.

I just think some of the reactions are out there. Steam can match these deals to the developers and publishers. They have 125 million+ instal base. They have the upper hand. They are holding to their margins and some are calling their bluff. It's business.

Ikuu · Jan 9, 2019

DrakenAstro said:
Fortnite has done wonders to Epic Games

Funnily enough they can't even get people to play their own games and have shut two of them down since Fortnite took off.

Tovarisc · Jan 9, 2019

Marcus Brutalius said:
On the positive side: now smaller titles have the chance to get a spotlight on steam

Considering that said small titles will never get to Epic Store you are kinda right, they will get more exposure on Steam.

GhostTrick · Jan 9, 2019

Falconbox said:
Games not coming to Steam means Valve may finally take a hard look at their revenue sharing with developers.

That's why we're saying competition is good.

And that picture show you exactly why that kind of competition is shitty for customers.
If that revenue share drops significantly, it means the closure of all these 3rd party stores such as Humble or GreenManGaming.

Durante · Jan 9, 2019

SirKai said:
So much for Epic's funding to be there to "help the devs that need it" lmao. This shit sucks.

I mean, that was always a blatant lie.
The indies they moneyhatted are very successful, not actually ones who really need a visibility boost.

It's almost as blatant as "this store allows us to communicate with our customers better because it has no communication features". Which some media actually reprinted.

Chronos said:
It will take time but will ultimately move back toward consumer friendliness once the war for storefront revenue share is settled.

By what mechanism? This will only happen if customers actually vote with their wallet. A race to the bottom generally doesn't result in a larger feature set.

Lackless · Jan 9, 2019

dabs on Steam

Deleted member 4044 · Jan 9, 2019

daxy said:
Maybe this is a brilliant move to make the Uplay store/client seem like the more attractive option.

That's my feeling as well.

I cannot wait for the announcement that Doom Eternal will be exclusive to the Bethesda launcher. This forum will melt down over

fanboy · Jan 9, 2019

soo, whats the difference between buying anything from steam and any other store? Just that you prefer steam, and therefore wont buy the game from other store? ...

DoubleTake · Jan 9, 2019

Spaltazar said:
Fragmentation was always gonna happen in the digital market place in the long run. just look at the development of services like netflix. as soon as it was / is profitable enough the big guys want their own lunch rather than share it

Yup, people need to just buckle in. Shits not going anywhere.

Lashley · Jan 9, 2019

fanboy said:
soo, whats the difference between buying anything from steam and any other store? Just that you prefer steam, and therefore wont buy the game from other store? ...

Regional pricing
Refunds

Those are the big two, there's countless other reasons but im on my phone and cba

ghostcrew · Jan 9, 2019

Jimmyfenix said:
epic are all elite wrestling

That's not the worst take!

Futaleufu · Jan 9, 2019

That's a smart way to get rid of refunds.

fluffydelusions · Jan 9, 2019

fanboy said:
soo, whats the difference between buying anything from steam and any other store? Just that you prefer steam, and therefore wont buy the game from other store? ...

Steam features and correct pricing for countries are some big ones.

Hektor · Jan 9, 2019

fanboy said:
soo, whats the difference between buying anything from steam and any other store? Just that you prefer steam, and therefore wont buy the game from other store? ...

Refund policies
share features
cloud saves
mod workshop
customizable gamepad support
regional pricing
community hubs
linux support
tradable microtransactions

etc.

nemorrhoids · Jan 9, 2019

People seem hellbent on burying the Epic Store from the outset. I understand it's nowhere near as feature-complete as Steam but I do believe Epic will make some moves to become a better competitor; I also understand it's irritating to deal with the many different launchers publishers are trying to get us to use. I prefer Steam, as most do, but I still think that the Epic Store could end up as a good thing in the long-run. Just seems like an overreaction to me.

whistleklik · Jan 9, 2019

This sucks for people who still buy ubi games on steam. I have been buying their games from gmg for years now. It's cheaper than uplay and steam.

Gassy_N0va · Jan 9, 2019

LMAO this is fantastic news. Regardless would've gotten it on UPlay if i was getting it on PC. Maybe EPIC will eventually get as robust as Steam in order to really compete. Steam isn't what it used to be and it's time that someone wakes Valve up.

Deleted member 3208 · Jan 9, 2019

Who is ready for Ubisoft to blame piracy again because of the Division 2 low sales?

GhostTrick · Jan 9, 2019

nemorrhoids said:
People seem hellbent on burying the Epic Store from the outset. I understand it's nowhere near as feature-complete as Steam but I do believe Epic will make some moves to become a better competitor; I also understand it's irritating to deal with the many different launchers publishers are trying to get us to use. I prefer Steam, as most do, but I still think that the Epic Store could end up as a good thing in the long-run. Just seems like an overreaction to me.

"Wait until 2025 to get what you used to get in 2019"
There's not even a fuckin search fonction.

Teegs said:
LMAO this is fantastic news. Regardless would've gotten it on UPlay if i was getting it on PC. Maybe EPIC will eventually get as robust as Steam in order to really compete. Steam isn't what it used to be and it's time that someone wakes Valve up.

"Fantastic news to get less choice"
"It's amazing ! Maybe Epic will get as good as Steam because Steam is shit".
When console warring doesn't even makes sense.

Lashley · Jan 9, 2019

whistleklik said:
This sucks for people who still buy ubi games on steam. I have been buying their games from gmg for years now. It's cheaper than uplay and steam.

Prices will likely go up now

BasilZero · Jan 9, 2019

Branson said:
Can't you add the games through steam and launch them that way or does that get weird on big picture? Also yeah more launchers should do that. At least Uplay has controller support.

Can't speak for the user you are quoting but for me I like to buy games on steam so it can be part of my overall game clock and achievements

Kyougar · Jan 9, 2019

Good that Epic helps out those Indie developers from going bankrupt. Would be a shame if Ubisoft close down because they don't have visibility on Steam :(

/S

Deleted member 5864 · Jan 9, 2019

Linkark07 said:
Who is ready for Ubisoft to blame piracy again because of the Division 2 low sales?

It's an always online game. There will be no piracy.

glebanych · Jan 9, 2019

Joshii said:
No regional pricing btw

Not true

BernardoOne · Jan 9, 2019

vestan said:
Feel free to provide me with a source explicitly proving that Epic is moneyhatting publishers and developers into releasing games exclusively on their store.

You'd have to be a complete moron to think that getting 8% more of the cut is worth losing the massive Chinese Steam userbase. They're being moneyhatted . You have to have a extremely poor understanding of simple math to think otherwise

Bede-x · Jan 9, 2019

Branson said:
Can't you add the games through steam and launch them that way or does that get weird on big picture? Also yeah more launchers should do that. At least Uplay has controller support.

There can be issues with that, but those aside I'd be using a mouse/keyboard to add games to Steam and at that point I might as well use the other launchers. I like the console experience, not having to use mouse and keyboard. Steam big picture gives me that or at least close enough.

BeImonkey said:
What if AMD / Nvidia took it on themselves to do what Playnite does and offered a "big picture mode" option for living room gaming as a software option that combined all your games on every launcher into a sleak console-like interface (of course it'd work well for m+kb too).

As long as I can boot into it and use keyboard/mouse as little as possible, I'll be happy. Wouldn't mind buying from Epic or others if they offered that.

Wulfram · Jan 9, 2019

BernardoOne said:
You'd have to be a complete moron to think that getting 8% more of the cut is worth losing the massive Chinese Steam userbase. They're being moneyhatted . You have to have a extremely poor understanding of simple math to think otherwise

Who is moneyhatting EA to keep them off Steam?

Plywood · Jan 9, 2019

I was under the impression it would be a Uplay exclusive.

Branson · Jan 9, 2019

BasilZero said:
Can't speak for the user you are quoting but for me I like to buy games on steam so it can be part of my overall game clock and achievements

Oh I agree I was just asking about the Big Picture mode quirks.

BasilZero · Jan 9, 2019

Kiraly said:
Oh I don't mind, in fact, I applaud initiatives like this. Steam needs competition. Monopolies are never good.

Yes, the store lacks features but I'm willing to give them time to get it up to standards.

Basically making it available on one particular store and not others is monopoly....

Metroidvania · Jan 9, 2019

Not sure of Ubi's intent here - I admittedly don't have the breakdown of Steam vs Uplay sales for Division 1, but forgoing steam entirely seems like a really shortsighted move unless Epic was willing to throw a LOT of Fortnite money at them.

I guess we'll see, in any event.

Tezu · Jan 9, 2019

DOT_mjo said:
I'm not sure why some of y'all are so in favor of a Steam monopoly over PC gaming. It's really simple to just launch another application to access your purchase. This is good competition and hopefully it continues to so Valve will be forced to improve the Steam experience.

It has nothing to do with being in favor of a Steam monopoly. It is about bullshit exclusivity and most important no regional pricing.

I paid R$180,00 for The Division 1, that also costs $60,00 at the time. If I were to buy The Division 2 on Epic Store today, I'd be paying around R$260,00. That's a 30% increase.

So no, that's not good competition.

I was going to buy The Division 2, I'm not anymore.

elenarie · Jan 9, 2019

Reckless rage again. :)

0451 · Jan 9, 2019

I figured they would just make it exclusive to Uplay if anything but this is actually wild.

Deleted member 3208 · Jan 9, 2019

inky said:
It's an always online game. There will be no piracy.

That won't stop them from using the piracy excuse.

$10 Bagel · Jan 9, 2019

Falconbox said:
Games not coming to Steam means Valve may finally take a hard look at their revenue sharing with developers.

That's why we're saying competition is good.

Unlike you I don't own stocks in these companies.

xrnzaaas · Jan 9, 2019

Dayum, this year should be "interesting" for PC gaming. Not sure if I'd be happy with the changes if I was primarily or exclusively a PC gamer.

BernardoOne · Jan 9, 2019

Wulfram said:
Who is moneyhatting EA to keep them off Steam?

EA has their own client where they get 100% of the cut. You might not know but Ubisoft also has such a client and they could release exclusively there to get 100% of the cut.

hanshen · Jan 9, 2019

BernardoOne said:
You'd have to be a complete moron to think that getting 8% more of the cut is worth losing the massive Chinese Steam userbase. They're being moneyhatted . You have to have a extremely poor understanding of simple math to think otherwise

"massive"

z1ggy · Jan 9, 2019

Sorry Epic no regional price no deal

BasilZero · Jan 9, 2019

Branson said:
Oh I agree I was just asking about the Big Picture mode quirks.

Not sure how other platforms are like when it comes to that

I don't really per say use big picture but I am sssuming it's because of the settings I have input that I can literally play every game plug and play with my DS4

Haven't tried my DS4 on Origin or GOG games yet

Carlius · Jan 9, 2019

WOW!!!! holy shit ubisoft. HOLY SHIT. No buy for me. WOW...i am speechless. i was fucking hyped for this, was gonna buy day 1. Nice way to kill your PC fanbase. Next you will blame the pc market for the lack of sales. I hope this shit bombs now. No way i will ever buy shit from the epic store.

Tranqueris · Jan 9, 2019

Hero Prinny said:
You're gonna need Uplay anyway to play it so just buy it there. I really don't see the issue here

Same. Also I've started to buy my Ubisoft games only on Uplay since Steam and Uplay have some fucked up issues when it comes to DLC. Such as DLC you buy through Uplay might be recognized on your Steam version of the game but it sure as hell won't let you use it.

SpoonSpatula · Jan 9, 2019

This has a pretty big negative impact on Developing/Third World countries when it comes to regional pricing.

Because it's only priced in $, € or £, this effectively means I will be paying between 10% and 20% more as a South African (If it's a title only listed on Epic Store or Uplay. GMG, Fanatical, Humble Bundle, etc also taken into account). Only Steam and Origin currently offer regional pricing over here.

Deleted member 3294 · Jan 9, 2019

GhostTrick said:
And that picture show you exactly why that kind of competition is shitty for customers.
If that revenue share drops significantly, it means the closure of all these 3rd party stores such as Humble or GreenManGaming.

Humble's discounts come from them working with developers/publishers, not from them cutting into their revenue share. Would be a bit hard for them to do that since the cut Humble Store gets from each sale is already 15%. Specifically their revenue split is 75% for developers, 10% for charity, 15% for Humble Store.

TheZynster · Jan 9, 2019

wow, and they are working to integrate uplay into the epic launcher............thats big. Didn't steam require you to still use the uplay launcher/app even buying it through steam............

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