Let's keep in mind that this character is quite gaunt. Deniro lost a lot of weight for this lean wolf look.
What now
What a handsome manWorth noting that Kurt Russell there is "mostly make up" according to interviews.
You are more describing the exact problem: they want to just quickly deage current DeNiro, but it is uncanny valley for us because we know how he looked like. it is also the reason why they shouldnt until they can pass that valley. Especially for people with pronounced facial features that changed over time.Is the point of the deaging in the film to capture how DeNiro the actor himself looked when he was younger, or is it to allow DeNiro the actor today to play a character who is meant to be much younger with the aid of digital effects?
Food for thought.
What's more convincing than this:Of course Era would think the MCU "nailed the de-aging". Everything in the OP looks horrible.
When people know what to look for and are actively hunting for mistakes then they'll find them. The majority of people will overlook the slight uncanny valley nature of even the best de-aging/digital humans.
If I showed that to my wife she would have no idea that wasn't just Will Smith made to look younger. Show it to my mum and she'd just assume that it's just normal Will Smith. Hell I think I'm really good at spotting dodgy VFX and even I was amazed that the character's entirely digital and not just de-aged.
I think some people think being able to spot if something is 'fake' automatically means that the FX are crap.
The one is Travis Barker in his 30th, the other is Frank Sheeran, a way bigger guy than Travis was:Here's what DeNiro looked like when he was 30:
This is how The Irishman thinks he looks:
He looks really weird especially since we have so much footage of him when he was younger.
This just makes it look like De Niro lost the ability to emote compared to his younger self.
It's interesting that he chose to digitally alter DeNiro's eye colour to blue though, which I've seen reviewers note as off-putting.It's obvious by the various opinions in this thread that the de-aging tech is as subjective as any other effect. It works for some and not others from film to film. In the case of The Irishman Scorsese was more concerned with capturing DeNiro's performance, specifically the eyes. So his creative goals aren't going to line with a certain amount of the audience that thinks the young Sheeran should look how they remember DeNiro looked at that time, plus add in sensitivity to digital manipulation.
The cases in Star Wars weren't de-aging is why. In the Marvel movies they had the actual actors doing the performances. In SW they CGd younger faces on actors who looked liked the originalsweird thing about 'disney tech' cos it only works well in the marvel movies (Antman, Guardians 2). CG Leia & CG Tarkin in Rogue One still freaks me out.
Yup.Leia and Tarkin weren't de-aging tech, at least not the same way that it was in the Marvel movies. In all of the Marvel movies, as well as Tron, they had the original actor available to digitally touch-up. In Rogue One, neither Carrie Fisher nor Peter Cushing were available and so their faces were 100% constructed digitally and superimposed over stand-in actors. That would be a much more difficult process, especially in the case of Cushing who has been dead for decades.
Speaking of Tron Legacy, do you guys think they will remaster it with a better CGI tech for the dudes face? Still doesn't look that good.Disney's tech is probably proprietary, and they've been working on it forever (see the Tron sequel).
Yeah i dont see the issue with these most of the time. They look like passable and younger versions of the character they're portraying. Why are you comparing them to their real life counterpart?Here's the thing, and also what is going to cause people to need to adjust.
He's not playing young Robert DeNiro. He's playing young Frank Sheeran. The goal was to not give us taxi driver era looking Bobby, it was instead to de-age the current character he's playing. Considering the amount of de-aging that is in this film, that makes a lot more sense compared to the examples you posted which was for the most part a small amount of screen time. The big exceptions being Sam and Will, who both look a lot closer to their younger counterparts than Bobby does currently.
The final results aren't perfect, but they are good enough to provide what the film needed. When people first heard this approach they reasonably expected the young versions of the actors they had in their heads. Hell, I did this too. That is not what this film needed to do though.
The second-youngest shot, showing De Niro's character in what looks like his early 40s, has the vibe of an old soul. He's believably 20–30 years younger than the real-life De Niro, although fuller, more worn down, and grizzled than the actor may have been around the same time in his life.
Tron was done by Digital Domain (who also did Benjamin Button) .. Nothing to do with Disney.Disney's tech is probably proprietary, and they've been working on it forever (see the Tron sequel).
weird thing about 'disney tech' cos it only works well in the marvel movies (Antman, Guardians 2). CG Leia & CG Tarkin in Rogue One still freaks me out.
Worth noting that Kurt Russell there is "mostly make up" according to interviews.
Yeah that's a fuckin lie. It's common for actors and directors to downplay the work of vfx artists, but I read a whole article about how they digitally de-aged Kurt for GOTG2, there's a lot more that goes into it than makeup.
The techniques used have gotten pretty impressive though, personally I barely noticed in Captain Marvel.
Deepfakes, and this tech, only really works when you have tons of reference images and footage of the person. That was another reason it was difficult to recreate a de-aged Tarkin, because there wasn't much footage and it was old and presumably not good qualityI wonder when we'll start to just see deepfake being used in movies. With completely control over the footage they're shooting, actor's hair and clothing it should be much easier and cheaper to make the face fit in.
I don't know what movie this is, but the film grain was probably to minimize the imperfectionssubtle, accurate, brilliant. Heck even the film grain effect is spot on. GENIUS.
Of course Era would think the MCU "nailed the de-aging". Everything in the OP looks horrible.
That doesn't make any sense. Of course it matters. If it doesn't look like him (or otherwise looks like a poor computer-generated copy) it takes some people out of the moment and makes scenes less enjoyable as a consequence. Just like any other instance of bad CG fucking up a scene.It looks good to me. I don't get it. Is the complaint that it doesn't look like actual young Dinero? Because that shouldn't matter.
Let's be fair here -- Real Life 90's Samuel Jackson actually looks way older than Marvel's 90's Samuel Jackson:
I disagree that it looks like a poor-computer generated anything. The cgi looks fine; so if that's the point, I already disagree.Honestly, I haven't seen very many good looking implementations of de-aging.
I'm hopeful about the Will Smith movie, but I am prepared for the inevitable moments where it just doesn't look right. The De Niro de-aging does indeed look awful. In the trailers, at least.
That doesn't make any sense. Of course it matters. If it doesn't look like him (or otherwise looks like a poor computer-generated copy) it takes some people out of the moment and makes scenes less enjoyable as a consequence. Just like any other instance of bad CG fucking up a scene.
When people know what to look for and are actively hunting for mistakes then they'll find them. The majority of people will overlook the slight uncanny valley nature of even the best de-aging/digital humans.
If I showed that to my wife she would have no idea that wasn't just Will Smith made to look younger. Show it to my mum and she'd just assume that it's just normal Will Smith. Hell I think I'm really good at spotting dodgy VFX and even I was amazed that the character's entirely digital and not just de-aged.
I think some people think being able to spot if something is 'fake' automatically means that the FX are crap.