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The "days of Hades are awaiting" Kojima Productions
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Nah, I'm not going to pick apart every post I see, people are allowed opinions, I'm just getting ahead of the same old hot takes.
Death Stranding has literally one of the fastest turn arounds for a game considering he had to build a new studio and make an all new AAA IP.
Only MGSV was long and that was cuz of having to develop a whole new engine, and it still wasn't absurdly long in development compared to most AAA games.
Posts that usually appear in Kojima threads.
This seems like typical Kojima stuff though, a stilted translation of a cool phrase he's trying to coin. I don't interpret this as "crunch time!"
The Death Stranding team is the core team that has been with Kojima since the original Metal Gear Solid developed since the mid-90's... ...you are not going to change their nature at this point. And crunch is hard to avoid as you will want to put extra personal effort on a labor of love when coming close to release. I mean, they are all top of their class & craft. As long as the veterans don't force the young players to stay long then I don't see anything wrong with this practice.
Usually getting ahead of hot takes only results in bating them.
Also I think it's fair to say Kojima isn't exactly in tune with certain things, like the way he spoke of Quiet's design. Just because he's a genius, doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized.
This is true, though.
I love crunch in my work. Means there is plenty of overtime to go around and I get a nice pay packet at the end of it. 60 hour weeks are not bad at all
It's not always a bad thing and as long as it's optional and paid I see absolutely no issue.
It's not always a bad thing and as long as it's optional and paid I see absolutely no issue.
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Hey man, if you want to get that money I won't stop you but...
"60 hour weeks are not bad at all"
what
By that logic majority of ERA speaks perfect Japanese de arimasu.
What do you mean? 60 hours every now and again is nothing. Seems people here are scared of work.
I enjoy my job and it doesn't bother me at all. It's optional and well paid.
It's not a theory.
Crunch is not always bad.
Toxic crunch is toxic.
Uhh not sure what that poster is getting that from but that's not true
Another mention of crunch
If you know this, can you explain it so people aren't just trusting some random person saying "nu uh" on the internet?
This is a really irresponsible OP. You're jumping to conclusions here. Creating a thread with the title "Kojima Productions enters crunch" and then linking to that incoherent tweet which, given who Kojima is, could mean anything, is so stupid.
Hell, it could be crunch, but we don't know that for sure. Relax.
Hell, it could be crunch, but we don't know that for sure. Relax.
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Every developer: We are entering the last phrase of our development, please wait for our release. Thanks.
Kojima: Release day is set and now the days of Hades are awaiting for our team. But experiencing such luxury phase is the same as being in a heaven. It was zero start but I realized I didn't lose anything by looking at everyone's reactions. Thanks again.
Kojima: Release day is set and now the days of Hades are awaiting for our team. But experiencing such luxury phase is the same as being in a heaven. It was zero start but I realized I didn't lose anything by looking at everyone's reactions. Thanks again.
I think it's absolutely clear it means crunch, imo. In that they're coming into the end-game of development and it's all hands on deck, all eyes forward.
The issue is that crunch is not always toxic, with a positive environment with good pay and support it can be something that benefits the development and the staff.
Where are you getting this from because I can't find anything?
Days of Hades is in no way referencing crunch.
To the above poster, it's BS.
I get that this is a sly reference to what happens when you die in the game, but this is absolutely about crunch - what else could it be about?
'Hellish days are ahead for our team'
'Hellish days are ahead for our team'
Can you please explain how you know this?
What does it mean instead?
I don't really think likening crunch to the Hades reference in the game is anything tone-deaf. I did raise my eyebrow at whatever the hell he likens to being in heaven. I suppose he means to say the fact that the game is making it in the first place?
He also announced when he got fired from Konami with a game-reference. It's his style.
He meant stupid. Ignorant. Lacking any sort of intelligent thought. As if a chihuahua rolled across a keyboard and this topic suddenly appeared in front of us.
I'm just sick of people on here projecting accusations like this as fact without any solid evidence, which leads to false narratives being spread.
If you'd made a thread saying "Is Kojima Productions entering crunch?", inviting actual discussion about the tweet then fine but you didn't. Instead you started with an assumption of crunch positioned as a fact, which sets the tone of the thread. That's what's irresponsible.
I agree that crunch isn't always toxic but that's something a lot of people on Era don't actually understand, instead just using all the horror stories from Jason Schreier's articles as evidence of the industry norm.
It varies drastically from developer to developer for sure. I've experienced it a few times myself and my company has looked after me and compensated me very well as a result.
I see crunch like I see projects and essays I used to do at uni. No matter how much I planned etc. time always creeps up on you and you end up pulling all nighters to get it done. And that's just you on your own. It becomes even more complex on a multi million dollar, multi year, 200-300+ person project.
What is your alternative interpretation of the tweet? I can't even think what else it could mean? without an alternative explanation, I think the thread title stands.
It seems like a reach to assume he's just going to put out a tweet letting everyone know that the team is gonna start crunching. With that said, I hope there isn't any for the game but I wouldn't be surprised if there is.
I've lived and worked in Japan for nearly 6 years now. I can speak the language. I have never, ever heard this term.
Yet Hades is brought up in the Death Stranding trailer.
I'm not attacking you here but even a quick google of this would show you that it's nonsense.
I'm in Budget Preparation and there's a two month period where we do 12 hour work days.
Maybe it's different in other countries but personally I don't mind this because I know it's a limited known period of overtime. I have never seen a goal based job that doesn't involve overtime.
I feel like people overreact on doing overtime but again maybe it's something a little accepted over here which is why my opinion differs.
Maybe it's different in other countries but personally I don't mind this because I know it's a limited known period of overtime. I have never seen a goal based job that doesn't involve overtime.
I feel like people overreact on doing overtime but again maybe it's something a little accepted over here which is why my opinion differs.
Seriously. I'm guessing that the authors of those posts are either monolingual or American, or both.
I'm sure Kojima would have "bothered to learn" English on a fluent level if he wasn't so busy being a top Konami exec or making some of the world's most loved videogames over the last few decades.
Yeah, fuck this thread. I'm not saying KojiPro doesn't resort to crunch (it's likely they do but that's more of a problem with the Japanese workforce as a whole) but making serious accusations based on a massive leap like this is fucked up.
Very few, and even small indies do it. It's always a matter of scheduling though, but most developers go through the phase of leisurely tweaking and building a game until the release plan falls in their lap and then "oh shit we gotta crunch it".
I honestly don't know, that's my point. Broken English that's really vague. It could for sure mean they're crunching, but positioning the thread like this with a hard accusation doesn't seem too smart to me. That's all.
I've never head the term 'days of Hades' before, but that's how metaphors work when you create a new one. It doesn't mean that isn't what Kojima was intending.
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Serious accusations, irresponsible, what next? We're discussing on a forum and you're free to express differing points of view, but some of you are taking it as if I let a kid die or provoke the Chernobyl disaster. Talk about hyperbole...