The CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths |OT| You Have Failed This Multiversity

carlsojo · Dec 12, 2019

Lotus said:
Y'all always so uncomfortably weird when it comes to Tyler's Superman. (Though I understand preferring Routh's, as he's awesome, and fucking massive)

He's weaker than Supergirl, it is what it is.

I know Supergirl is often heavy-handed when it comes to stuff like that, but I feel it's disingenuous to apply it here. The way I see it, they got tired of people always asking where Superman was at, especially for the bigger threats. Given that Supergirl is the main character, not him, they eventually made it very clear she's stronger, as well as sending him off to another planet, all for the sake of justifying her being Earth's primary protector. Because again, it's her show, not his.

If they were all about making it some trite message of "Girls can be stronger than boys", then this show frankly would've done that from the beginning. Their approach has only ever been a reactionary response to the perpetual shadow that Superman cast over Kara and the show.

I always took it as Kara is just... Angrier than him for lack of a better word. Like when she laser beamed red tornado into dust she was channeling all that rage and pain she keeps bottled up all the time.

Clark just doesn't have that much to be mad about.

Volimar · Dec 12, 2019

carlsojo said:
I always took it as Kara is just... Angrier than him for lack of a better word. Like when she laser beamed red tornado into dust she was channeling all that rage and pain she keeps bottled up all the time.

Clark just doesn't have that much to be mad about.

Both of them can do that, it just burns out their powers for a while so you can see why they don't.

ZeoVGM · Dec 12, 2019

Maybe Kara is just better.

GrimGrinningGuy · Dec 12, 2019

Needs more Welling

Fuzzy · Dec 12, 2019

PHOENIXZERO said:
It's going to be interesting to see how Crisis affects Supergirl and Tyler's Superman and the show that's coming there. I wonder what it's going to do with Flash.

They better not erase his kid.

Maximum Spider · Dec 12, 2019

I still can't get over the fact that Donner's Superman is back. I'm sure it's lost on many but the importance of that particular version of Superman is almost too big to quantify. This is such a treat.

PHOENIXZERO · Dec 12, 2019

Fuzzy said:
They better not erase his kid.

They're not, they're aging up up to being a teenager. Which I like, understand why it's a good idea but also disappointed that we're going to miss Jon as an enthusiastic little kid with super powers.

Sephzilla said:
Yesterday I randomly remembered that Season 2 of Lucifer

establishes that it exists in a multiverse

Just a nice little detail that made me realize it fit into Crisis really easily.

Is that the idea that Heaven and Hell are like above (or.. below, heh) the multiverse? I don't remember.

Fuzzy · Dec 12, 2019

PHOENIXZERO said:
They're not, they're aging up up to being a teenager. Which I like, understand why it's a good idea but also disappointed that we're going to miss Jon as an enthusiastic little kid with super powers.

No Jack-Jack shenanigans. 🙁
It would've probably gotten old really quick but I'd still like a few episodes of it.

Lashley · Dec 12, 2019

Assuming this is what hamill was working on

Maximum Spider · Dec 12, 2019

Lashley said:
Assuming this is what hamill was working on

pretty sure that's not him.

DragonSJG · Dec 12, 2019

Lashley said:
Assuming this is what hamill was working on

Richard Epcar

Keym · Dec 12, 2019

xaM said:
pretty sure that's not him.

The dream lives on!

Sober · Dec 12, 2019

PHOENIXZERO said:
Is that the idea that Heaven and Hell are like above (or.. below, heh) the multiverse? I don't remember.

It's when in the S2 finale

he sends his mom to another universe

PHOENIXZERO · Dec 12, 2019

Sober said:
It's when in the S2 finale

he sends his mom to another universe

Oh yeah, just that.

VideogameVices · Dec 12, 2019

carlsojo said:
Routh is just on another level.

Welling feels more like Clark Kent.

Hoechlin feels like a young Superman.

Hoechlin looks and feels like someone they picked off hollywood walk of fame. The guys who take photos with you for money.

He's terrible. They should recast.

Lotus · Dec 12, 2019

VideogameVices said:
Hoechlin looks and feels like someone they picked off hollywood walk of fame. The guys who take photos with you for money.

He's terrible. They should recast.

Nah

carlsojo · Dec 12, 2019

VideogameVices said:
Hoechlin looks and feels like someone they picked off hollywood walk of fame. The guys who take photos with you for money.

He's terrible. They should recast.

Settle down Lex

onyx · Dec 12, 2019

Constantine and Lucifer on screen together was great. Found out that moment happened 5 years before the events in season one of Lucifer.

Nateo · Dec 12, 2019

Tylermans Suit fucking sucks thats 99% of the issue.

morningbus · Dec 12, 2019

Hoechlin's suit is one of the rare times where the collar would actually work on a Superman design. He had it as evil Superman in Elseworlds and it looked so much better.

Rellyrell28 · Dec 13, 2019

You know what just to drag people back on the Smallville nostalgia here's the one reminder of the one thing I actually missed about this Arrowverse Ollie

Skeeter49 · Dec 13, 2019

Here's a fun question. Which show do you think will change the most/ benefit the most post crisis?

PHOENIXZERO · Dec 13, 2019

Skeeter49 said:
Here's a fun question. Which show do you think will change the most/ benefit the most post crisis?

Supergirl but with the way the first half of the season has gone I don't have my hopes up. With the Earths merging that's the one with the biggest potential to change though.

Skeeter49 · Dec 13, 2019

Lena going to use hte particle accelerator post crisis hype.

Rellyrell28 · Dec 13, 2019

Skeeter49 said:
Lena going to use hte particle accelerator post crisis hype.

Naw she's gonna somehow get wind of the reason Anti-Monitor used the Anti-Matter wave cannon realize that she can make a new multiverse where everyone doesn't lie.

Septimus Prime · Dec 13, 2019

I haven't followed any Arrowverse show for a while now, but what happened to there only being 52 universes (plus X)?

Anyway, my guess is that, after this, they'll be able to just restore 52 universes. That way, Supergirl and Black Lightning can return to their status quo.

PlanetSmasher · Dec 13, 2019

Septimus Prime said:
I haven't followed any Arrowverse show for a while now, but what happened to there only being 52 universes (plus X)?

It kind of started there and spreaded out more and more over time. The implication from the Monitor is that the multiverse is infinite.

PHOENIXZERO · Dec 13, 2019

Oh and The Flash could desperately use a shake up of their status quo as well but I'll take the damn STAR Labs roof finally getting fixed.

KtotheRoc · Dec 13, 2019

Septimus Prime said:
I haven't followed any Arrowverse show for a while now, but what happened to there only being 52 universes (plus X)?

Anyway, my guess is that, after this, they'll be able to just restore 52 universes. That way, Supergirl and Black Lightning can return to their status quo.

Wasn't the 52 Earths more of a comic thing after Infinite Crisis?

Septimus Prime · Dec 13, 2019

PlanetSmasher said:
It kind of started there and spreaded out more and more over time. The implication from the Monitor is that the multiverse is infinite.

So what you're saying is Barry fucked it all up, huh? Yeah, makes sense.

KtotheRoc said:
Wasn't the 52 Earths more of a comic thing after Infinite Crisis?

They mention 52 specifically in an earlier Flash season. Then the Earth-X crossover brings it up again, saying that yes, there are only 52, but actually there's a 53rd that's hidden because of how bad it is.

...skip a few... 99, one million.

PHOENIXZERO · Dec 13, 2019

Septimus Prime said:
I haven't followed any Arrowverse show for a while now, but what happened to there only being 52 universes (plus X)?

Anyway, my guess is that, after this, they'll be able to just restore 52 universes. That way, Supergirl and Black Lightning can return to their status quo.

That would be a complete waste and miss the whole purpose of the event. Black Lightning will still be divorced from much of it due to the show filming 2,000 miles away.

carlsojo · Dec 13, 2019

Gonna humbly plug for another CW show Legacies in here. It's like the insanity of Legends with witches, vampires, and werewolves. Tonight's episode had Santa fighting Krampus and the last episode had a vampire dance off.

ZeroX · Dec 13, 2019

carlsojo said:
Tonight's episode had Santa fighting Krampus

pfft it's been done

Rellyrell28 · Dec 13, 2019

PHOENIXZERO said:
That would be a complete waste and miss the whole purpose of the event. Black Lightning will still be divorced from much of it due to the show filming 2,000 miles away.

Just because they film in an entire different location doesn't mean they have be in a separate universe. Especially when they barely run crossovers with the shows that are in the area with each other outside the usual crossover.

PHOENIXZERO · Dec 13, 2019

Rellyrell28 said:
Just because they film in an entire different location doesn't mean they have be in a separate universe. Especially when they barely run crossovers with the shows that are in the area with each other outside the usual crossover.

I didn't say they had to be a different universe. The distance is a good enough excuse for it to be more self contained plot wise and for the "why didn't they call ____" issues.

Not merging universes defeats to purpose of COIE.

Fuzzy · Dec 13, 2019

Rellyrell28 said:
Just because they film in an entire different location doesn't mean they have be in a separate universe. Especially when they barely run crossovers with the shows that are in the area with each other outside the usual crossover.

Hey, Vancouver and Atlanta can't exist in the same universe. It just can't.

Deleted member 34949 · Dec 13, 2019

Skeeter49 said:
Here's a fun question. Which show do you think will change the most/ benefit the most post crisis?

Assuming they actually do at least merge earth 38, Supergirl has some great potential going forward. Whether it'll be realized or not is a whole different thing.

They did say that all the showrunners have carte blanche to change/erase/retcon whatever in their respective shows post Crisis. Getting rid of this Punished Lena plotline sure would be nice.

Septimus Prime · Dec 13, 2019

PHOENIXZERO said:
I didn't say they had to be a different universe. The distance is a good enough excuse for it to be more self contained plot wise and for the "why didn't they call ____" issues.

Not merging universes defeats to purpose of COIE.

It doesn't, as you don't have to restore Universes 1-52. You can select any 52 out of infinity or mix some up.

Skeeter49 · Dec 13, 2019

Seven Force said:
Assuming they actually do at least merge earth 38, Supergirl has some great potential going forward. Whether it'll be realized or not is a whole different thing.

They did say that all the showrunners have carte blanche to change/erase/retcon whatever in their respective shows post Crisis. Getting rid of this Punished Lena plotline sure would be nice.

Sadly I doubt they will, since it was just introduced this season and hasn't been resolved.

99% sure Kara will sacrifice herself to save Lena from something, probably either Lex or AI Eve, Lena will realize that she's the one who has been horrible to everyone else, and her and Kara will be bff's again. Book it.

Joni · Dec 13, 2019

Sara is always the true MVP of these things. I promised our crew they would never have to do crossovers again.
From a training point of view, it makes sense that Smallville kent is buff. He has been working as a human.

SamAlbro · Dec 13, 2019

ZeroX said:
pfft it's been done

Krampus on Infinite Earths

Keym · Dec 13, 2019

Skeeter49 said:
Here's a fun question. Which show do you think will change the most/ benefit the most post crisis?

Luke will get tired of Batwoman's crap and he'll move to Freeland.

maxx720 · Dec 13, 2019

Jodez99 said:
For me, the problem with Tyler is that when he's standing next to Routh or Welling I don't see two Supermen, I see Superman and a wannabe

.

Rvaan · Dec 13, 2019

Rellyrell28 said:
Naw she's gonna somehow get wind of the reason Anti-Monitor used the Anti-Matter wave cannon realize that she can make a new multiverse where everyone doesn't lie.

Lena would really really like Lucifer. He never lies.

carlsojo · Dec 13, 2019

Skeeter49 said:
Here's a fun question. Which show do you think will change the most/ benefit the most post crisis?

Supergirl if her Earth gets merged.

Slaythe · Dec 13, 2019

carlsojo said:
I always took it as Kara is just... Angrier than him for lack of a better word. Like when she laser beamed red tornado into dust she was channeling all that rage and pain she keeps bottled up all the time.

Clark just doesn't have that much to be mad about.

Bullshit.

When he was fighting Kara thinking she was Zod, he was mad and, as he states literally, "I gave it all I had" and Kara didn't sweat it, to the point where she thought he wasn't serious.

It's not even up for interpretation as they literally spell it out for anybody that didn't get it in the back.

And then he ended up getting his ass handed to him by some random guy that wished to be Superman.

Not sure what they think they're achieving by consistently making him job and be underwhelming.

Foltzie · Dec 13, 2019

Slaythe said:
Not sure what they think they're achieving by consistently making him job and be underwhelming.

A show called Supergirl, in which Superman is a supporting character.

Sketchsanchez · Dec 13, 2019

I just gotta say it's really fucking cool that the donner superman is a part of this.

It's completely fitting that he's playing essentially the earth 2 supermans role and having just re read crisis I'm looking forward to the eventual "I HAVE HAD ENOUGH"

Vyse · Dec 13, 2019

Forget about Kara and Clark powerlevels, it bothers me to no end that Kryptonians get hyped up all the time but seemingly any non human race can pretty much go toe to toe with Supergirl in the show, it's not as bad as metas with random abilities being 100% confident they can take on Flash on their first day of crime and usually be right about it though.

SageShinigami · Dec 13, 2019

Jodez99 said:
For me, the problem with Tyler is that when he's standing next to Routh or Welling I don't see two Supermen, I see Superman and a wannabe

I mean. I guess. I don't take Welling seriously. You can't put on a costume, you're just some dude.

Slaythe said:
Bullshit.

When he was fighting Kara thinking she was Zod, he was mad and, as he states literally, "I gave it all I had" and Kara didn't sweat it, to the point where she thought he wasn't serious.

It's not even up for interpretation as they literally spell it out for anybody that didn't get it in the back.

It's not gonna matter. None of that shit will stick once he gets his own show.

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