Well Allison Mack is in jail so I don't think Chloe is showing up...I'm 99% certain that Felicity and Chloe will save the multiverse by the end of this.
Well Allison Mack is in jail so I don't think Chloe is showing up...I'm 99% certain that Felicity and Chloe will save the multiverse by the end of this.
Well Allison Mack is in jail so I don't think Chloe is showing up...
Really doubt they want a cameo from someone heavily linked to a sex cult.You can film cameos from jail. Drones can get anywhere these days.
Very true, Kreisberg is gone so they don't have anymore interest in sex cults.Really doubt they want a cameo from someone heavily linked to a sex cult.
Lol.They'll explain it in the comic
Very true, Kreisberg is gone so they don't have anymore interest in sex cults.
I think for me it's just that I hate the whole "you lied about being [superhero], now i'm SO ANGRY" trope. I've mentioned that in these threads every time it comes up. It just makes so much sense why a superhero would keep their identity a secret.Speaking of there's always one. I'm the one that doesn't have a problem with the heel turn.
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Thea finding out about Oliver is the most "realistic" portrayal of being revealed someone's secret identity they've had in these shows, I think.I think for me it's just that I hate the whole "you lied about being [superhero], now i'm SO ANGRY" trope. I've mentioned that in these threads every time it comes up. It just makes so much sense why a superhero would keep their identity a secret.
So combine that with the fact that Lena wasn't just pissed. Okay, I can at least accept that, because it's standard for the medium. But she just became evil. That's what makes it so bad, imo.
Confirming the theory that heroes spontaneously generate villains through biogenesis.It's OK. All the villians work in National City. Metropolis is totally safe.
Oh dang, I've actually forgotten how that went down, it was so long ago.Thea finding out about Oliver is the most "realistic" portrayal of being revealed someone's secret identity they've had in these shows, I think.
Its not really that at all, it's the fact that her friends and an entire government organization lied to her, gaslight her, and used her for information all at the same time while doing so under the belief that she isn't really a good person and cannot be trusted with something as trivial. It's such an overwhelming feeling of being used.I think for me it's just that I hate the whole "you lied about being [superhero], now i'm SO ANGRY" trope. I've mentioned that in these threads every time it comes up. It just makes so much sense why a superhero would keep their identity a secret.
So combine that with the fact that Lena wasn't just pissed. Okay, I can at least accept that, because it's standard for the medium. But she just became evil. That's what makes it so bad, imo.
They confirmed season 11 of Smallville is canon, in which he is alive.
And besides, why would he be on Earth-90? It's not Smallville's earth.
The funny thing was that Diggle though it would of been a bad idea then the reveal went completely opposite of that. It was lowkey crazy it turned out that way considering how angry she was with Ollie for a while towards the end of Season 2Thea finding out about Oliver is the most "realistic" portrayal of being revealed someone's secret identity they've had in these shows, I think.
You mean the one directing traffic through the chaos? That's Dreamer.
Just finished the episode and really dug it. Even though it's finally here it still feels unreal they're doing Crisis. I hope the rest is as good as this opening. Some thoughts/questions:
It would appear Earth-89 is not the actual movie one but inspired by it since the Newspaper mentions Joker being captured. Unless there's another Joker that came about. Was anyone able to make out what else the paper said? Overall it was a nice intro and the use of Elfman's theme was great. Same for the '66 theme on that earth.
Was the Titans bit re-used footage from that show? Not having the people react kinda looked off. And was that music the theme of that show?
Ollie's death was fine, I look forward to him popping back up.
Who was the lady in the blue costume on Earth-38?
Monitor being debilitated by Oliver was a bit much.
You mean the one directing traffic through the chaos? That's Dreamer.
Apologies, I forgot about Harbinger and should have specified. Thanks for that Titans info, as I said it looked weird but I'll take it. I prefer that cameo/tie-in versus none at all.
Enjoy it while it lastsI low key just wanna watch Sara and Ray play trivia together some more. They're so fun together.
Agreed. That and the whole "guess I'll just unmask myself because she says everyone here is cool" felt off. I've only seen Kate in the last crossover but that seems a bit out of character from what I've seen. Way too trusting.One thing I'll say is the context between Kara and Kate was a bit off and it made it seem like there was a crossover between the two planned at some point to be pre-crisis but they weren't able to do it.
Man, her secret identity is one of the worst kept secrets in the Arrowverse. Her big bad knew basically from the beginning, her ex figured it out only for somebody else to get shot in the suit as a diversion, and said diversion was an old trainer/spy who ALSO figured it out. She told her dad even, so it's not uncommon for her really.Agreed. That and the whole "guess I'll just unmask myself because she says everyone here is cool" felt off. I've only seen Kate in the last crossover but that seems a bit out of character from what I've seen. Way too trusting.
Man, her secret identity is one of the worst kept secrets in the Arrowverse. Her big bad knew basically from the beginning, her ex figured it out only for somebody else to get shot in the suit as a diversion, and said diversion was an old trainer/spy who ALSO figured it out. She told her dad even, so it's not uncommon for her really.
Do we know if Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman going to show up or did WB decide to be dicks about it?
On the Waverider, presumably. Monitor snagged Sara and Ray right out of that trivia bar. We'll see Mick and Constantine tonight.
Seems like they were building off the rapport they seemed to have back in Elseworlds. It's neat, but I do think they're forcing it a little.One thing I'll say is the context between Kara and Kate was a bit off and it made it seem like there was a crossover between the two planned at some point to be pre-crisis but they weren't able to do it.
They gon get snappedEspecially based on the fact that we know from production interviews that certain people won't be in Part 4 at all but WILL be in part 5. Which immediately makes me think some serious, serious shit is going to happen in tomorrow's episode.
Episode was pretty good overall. Loved the cameos, especially "Holy crimson skies of death!"
Oliver's off-camera death was super lame and deserved more. People were arguing a few pages back that it literally saved a billion lives, but really how valuable of a sacrifice is that in this cinematic universe. Trillions of unknown characters are dying every second as infinite universes are being destroyed. We and our heroes are made to believe that those sacrifices are necessary for the greater good of making a unified stand against the Anti-Monitor to save everything else. So it really makes no sense for one of the most important leaders to sacrifice himself to save even 1 billion people, when everything will inevitably die if they fail to stop the Anti-Monitor.
A hero isn't a hero if they willingly let a billion people die when they have a chance to save them. Oliver made a choice (a suicidal one) that fits with his characterization. He wasn't going to let the Monitor stop him from fighting if he had any breath left in his body.
Yet that is what all these superheroes are all being called to do in this particular storyline: give up their regular responsibilities of caring for their planets to stop the annihilation of everything.
Yeah, that's an important point to note, especially since the wave pretty much came through as soon as that ship went through the gate. Even if it was only a few seconds or a minute that Oliver was able to buy for them, that was enough to at least save them.I imagine that's part of the lesson Oliver's going to learn the next time we see him after his death, that the bigger picture is important.
That said, the ship that was last through the gate was Brainiac's ship, meaning Lena, J'onn and a LOT of other important people were on it. If Oliver hadn't stayed behind they'd all be dust.
He'll be backEpisode was pretty good overall. Loved the cameos, especially "Holy crimson skies of death!"
Oliver's off-camera death was super lame and deserved more. People were arguing a few pages back that it literally saved a billion lives, but really how valuable of a sacrifice is that in this cinematic universe. Trillions of unknown characters are dying every second as infinite universes are being destroyed. We and our heroes are made to believe that those sacrifices are necessary for the greater good of making a unified stand against the Anti-Monitor to save everything else. So it really makes no sense for one of the most important leaders to sacrifice himself to save even 1 billion people, when everything will inevitably die if they fail to stop the Anti-Monitor.
PLUS his death was off-screen so we (the audience) weren't even given the opportunity to feel his sacrifice. His character deserved more after carrying this universe for 8 seasons. I hope they aren't done with his character just yet.
WTF? I try to work out when everything is airing and they're not even showing all of it the UK?
Since I haven't seen Supergirl since season 2, who was the girl in the blue costume working to get people on the ships? Also, what happened between Alex and Lena Luthor? Relationship stuff?
Good episode though. Finally got a look at old man Ollie.