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Arulan

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've been looking forward to this book for a long time. I look forward to spending hours upon hours reading through it.

I've always been disappointed by the lack of appreciation for gaming history. Professional critics and journalist in the industry are by and large focused on recent releases. Publishers and critics often directly criticize past works to promote new ones. And most players don't even have an interest in checking out early entries in long-running franchises they adore. We really need to see more efforts like this one, and a general appreciation for older games and the design lesson they can continue to teach.

Thank you felipepepe for this tremendous work.

The CRPG Book released! It's also free!

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Four years ago I began a journey.

On Feb 5 2014 I posted the results of the RPG Codex's Top 70 poll, in which we elected the best CRPGs of all time. But I felt that a simple list was too dry… more than the ranking, I was interested in WHY these games were good. From there came the idea of asking people to write a short paragraph talking about each title.

This became a updated version of the Codex's Top 70, now with screenshots and brief descriptions of each game. That's my favorite piece of content I ever made, but I still wanted more – more games, more screenshots, longer reviews, tips on mods, fan-made patches, etc. So I made a list of all the RPGs I wanted to cover and began recruiting volunteers for the "CRPG Book Project".

Having done the Top 70 list in 3 months, I thought I could do 300 games in about 10 months or so. Ha, it took me four years… but it is done!

Across its 528 pages you'll find information about over 400 RPGs, from the early PLATO games to modern AAA releases, as well as hidden gems, curiosities and even fan-translations. The reviews were written by a team of 112 volunteers from all around the globe – fans, modders, journalists, critics, indies and AAA developers.

Above all, this book is a passion project. Free, non-commercial, created by people who wanted to share their hobby and help others have fun. I'm very proud of what we achieved, and I would like to thank everyone who helped me on this journey.


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Hasemo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've read a bunch of reviews from one of the "beta" versions of the book and I've really enjoyed what I've seen. Will definitely check out the final version.
 

capitalCORN

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Oct 26, 2017
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I saw some sample entries before. It was all solid work. Looking forward to delving further!
 

Oliver James

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was waiting for this, thanks! I wish a lot more books like this existed.

Also thanks felipepe, you're awesome :)
 
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Joezie

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Nov 6, 2017
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Tears of joy flowing out today. Thanks for sharing OP! As well as to Felipepe for the absolutely stupendous job they've done with it <3
 

oracledragon

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow fantastic! Just skimmed over it quickly, I've got to get up for work soon... probably won't be able to dive in until the weekend. CRPG is by far my favorite genre, and while I had played games before it was really the Ultima series that sparked my love for them. Glancing over the book I was surprised to find just how many of those games I had played over all of those years. Many thousands of hours well-wasted ;)
 

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I've been flicking through this on my phone and it's really cool. I encourage everyone to check it out. No reason not to if you enjoy reading about games. We need better ways of discovering and learning about old gems.
 
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Arulan

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I hope to see fans of all RPGs, not just CRPGs, give this a read. It's probably one of the easiest ways to become familiar with the history of the genre, and perhaps the design origins of other RPGs you've played.
 
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Really hope a hardcover release happens. Have heard great things from the guys on the codex about this. I'm in for the crowdfunding campaign.

Also I'm loving the UnderRail shout out, this is criminally underrated.
UnderRailis, quite simply, one of the greatest CRPGs created since the turn of the century.It exemplifies the concept of building living,breathing worlds, popularized once upon a time by the old Origin Systems tagline: "We create worlds."
 
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Hektor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wasn't aware this is a thing, looks great.

Hope they'll manage a physical edition someday tho, the mentioned price of 60$ is definitively something I'd be willing to pay
 

Rosenkrantz

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Jan 17, 2018
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Thanks for heads up. Lots of old school CRPGs I wanna try that sadly aren't available for modern platforms. Good luck with the physical edition.
 

Durante

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Oct 24, 2017
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Awesome.

I still really hope that a physical release happens.

(Also, I should re-read the review I wrote for this years back and see if I still agree with it :P)
 

Reven Wolf

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Oct 25, 2017
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RPGs and CRPGs are my favourite genre, on phone right now but I'm definitely going to go through this!

It looks really cool and we'll done!
 

medyej

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Oct 26, 2017
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I've read some stray pages of this over the years and they've always been high quality. Great to see the project completed!
 

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You and the entire team and the contributors are simply awesome. Thanks so much. If a physical release ever happened I'd be there day one.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Incredible work by so many contributors. I wonder if he plans to update the books every few years, to include newer games, and perhaps some old gems that were forgotten before.
 

Red Devil

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Oct 29, 2017
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Wow, this is such a comprehensive look at CRPG, from Apple II to modern PC, from majors to indies. About a couold of dozens pages in, and it's already fascinating read!
 

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This is really cool. It even has a review of Exile: Escape from the Pit, which is really interesting to me because it was one of the first CRPGs I've played, and I always wondered if it was actually any good. I mean, I liked it, but I was far too young to really know if it was actually a good game. And since basically no one ever talks about it, it was pretty hard to know what the general consensus about it was.

It's also interesting that Albion is listed under hidden gems, since that's another game I remember liking quite a lot back then.
 

Oynox

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Oct 25, 2017
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CRPG stands for computer RPG? Amazing. I always thought it stands for classic RPGs, including only those, well, old classics, but not Fable and such. Amazin work!
 

Kinthalis

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Hopefully he figures out something to get a physical version published. Would definitely support a kickstaer or go fund me what have you.

Im not seeing a place to orderthe dogotal version though.
 

Al3x1s

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Nov 13, 2017
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Wow! Can't wait to read through it!

Is the search within a pdf opened in firefox totally borked or does this really not include any mention of the late Mike Singleton and his games?! This is some amazing stuff, make sure they're in the next version!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Singleton#List_of_games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lords_of_Midnight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomdark's_Revenge

They even got some fancied up remaster-like commercial remakes recently.
http://www.thelordsofmidnight.com/index2.html
http://www.doomdarksrevenge.com/main.html

Lovely art. And they're working on his Midwinter also, that's gonna be a treat if they do it right! It's the FarCry of its time and then some!
 
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Knurek

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Oct 26, 2017
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felipepepe: Would it be possible to make a dark mode edition of the PDF?
All readers I've tried with that feature invert the images as well, but having to look at white background on my monitors or my OLED smartphone is seriously eyestraining.
 

Pellaidh

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Oct 26, 2017
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I gave this a brief glance, and so far it seems like an incredible collection/reference of significant CRPGs. Certainly much better and much more exhaustive than any other such list I've seen by far. It even has plenty of hidden gems like Geneforge, Knights of the Chalice and Tale of Wuxia that would never get mentioned in mainstream publications. Even Sunless Sea gets a mention, which is always great to see. A lot of work has gone into this and it shows.

Still, with a work as big as this, there are bound to be some problems. Some of the ones I noticed, ordered from minor nitpicks to huge problems are (the intent here absolutely isn't to be overly critical, because these aren't major issues and I have to stress that this is by far the best list of this type I've ever seen, with some pretty major historical significance. More like suggestions for the physical version or future revisions, if they do happen) :
  • The Tales of Wuxia entry states that "You can also learn more about different aspects of Chinese culture, such as Chinese Chess ...". While that is what the game's awful translation has you to believe, the game features nothing about Chinese Chess at all, as it mistakenly uses this term to refer to a completely different board game (Go). This is probably completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, and I'm literally the only person in the world that cares, but I hated how the game's poor translation spread misinformation like this, and it sucks to see it in what's for the most part an exceptional book.
  • The book's pretty inconsistent when it comes to games that aren't pure RPGs. Take MTG: Shandalar for instance. An open world rogue-like card game seems like it should count as an RPG to me, and as far as historical relevance goes the game has plenty (first digital MTG game, last game Sid Meier worked on at Microprose, and still by far the best MTG game out there), but it's nowhere to be seen. OK, maybe card games don't count, but Cart Hunter's on the list, so clearly they do. I get that this is supposed to be primarily a book about pure RPGs, but I really don't understand some of the exclusions. Why is Wesnoth the one strategy game that gets mentioned over classics like Heroes of Might and Magic or Age of Wonders that both have more RPG elements to them.
  • While the chronological ordering is helpful for the book's role as a reference, it makes it pretty hard to find underrated hidden gems. This is purely from a personal standpoint, but I would have loved something like just a simple list of underrated games with links to where they are in the book, maybe as an appendix (or even just a tag I could search for). Just by glancing through, I've already found some games that look super interesting that I've never heard of, but going through 350 games I already know about just to find the 50 I don't isn't all that efficient.
  • In a similar vein, I'd love to have a larger section about fan translations, but I can understand that this isn't the focus of the book. Similarly, tactical and strategy RPGs seem basically completely absent.
  • Speaking of the fan translation section, some descriptions of games in it completely brush aside the incredibly problematic content in them. I've been around the RPG community/internet long enough to pick up plenty on what kind of content Sengoku Rance is filled with (like straight up child and rape porn) and to see the otherwise incredible book promote this sort of content, without even any warning or mention of it, feels completely wrong. Obviously there's more to the game if it managed to achieve the popularity it did, and for better or worse I suppose it is a significant enough part of PRG history to warrant a mention in a historical reference book (and I'd probably be very interested in playing it, since everything I read about its gameplay sounds great, if there was a version that cut out all of the disgusting content out of it. Or am I just overreacting based on bad info and the game is actually not that bad?). But I can't in any way shape of form agree with it just being there without a gigantic warning of what people are getting into if they choose to play it. Let alone a general recommendation for people who don't generally like Japanese porn games. And then there's two other games that feature pornographic content that I know nothing about. And they seem pretty interesting from the short gameplay description. But without elaboration of just how problematic their content really is, those recommendations are completely meaningless.
I really hope that didn't come across as too harsh, because I absolutely love what this book managed to achieve, and I already found some hidden gems just from a quick glance over it.
 

Shodan14

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Oct 30, 2017
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Awesome, I know ERA is lacking in crpg fans, but this was a really amazing labor of love and I hope at least some of you flip through it.

Might also be good to mention that it's free.
 

JCG

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've just started reading it, so I can't offer any detailed comments beyond my congratulations. Have you thought about making a print edition in two volumes, not one? I'd assume you've already considered it, but I imagine that might solve a few issues.

Still, I hope that most of Pellaidh's extensive feedback above is taken into account. Not to remove any games, because that would be silly at best, but to briefly clarify the nature of their content with a line, disclaimer or label.