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SuiQuan

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Holding a friendship with a bigot or a racist invalidates your own personal views. If you smile and support the struggle and then turn around and continue to be friendly with a white supremacist or any other pile of shit it makes you one hell of a hypocrite. If cutting out a fucking "friend" for holding inhuman views is too much of an ask, then a very long and hard look in the mirror is in order. I've been in these shitty shoes. It stings to realize a person you've known for some time is not what they seemed, but I'll not hold up a rainbow flag in one hand and then turn around and pat a nazi on the shoulder. Miss me with that shit.
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah I fucking know that, is this supposed to some sort of gotcha? This has already been mentioned in prior threads in a dumb as shit attempt to shut down the topic just like you're doing now. He is sufficiently light skinned to pass as white, he is very aware of this and he has very clearly internalised a white supremacist belief set. Is whiteness a new concept to you?
what kind of response...
uhh ok, the complesionist is white/internalized white. sure, whatever.
 

nillansan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,520
Denmark
what kind of response...
uhh ok, the complesionist is white/internalized white. sure, whatever.
Okay, you weren't referring to jontron then. I interpreted your post as being dismissive of jontron's white supremacist beliefs. Either way the fact remains that the completionist is perfectly comfortable with buddying it up with jontron and jontron is perfectly okay with buddying it up with the completionist. All of this despite the fact that jontron is a white supremacist.
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
36,473
Okay, you weren't referring to jontron then. I interpreted your post as being dismissive of jontron's white supremacist beliefs. Either way the fact remains that the completionist is perfectly comfortable with buddying it up with jontron and jontron is perfectly okay with buddying it up with the completionist. All of this despite the fact that jontron is a white supremacist.
ok, yeah. Yeah, I wasn't referring to or defending that.
was just noting that completionist wasn't white in case the posts I had quoted didn't know, to which Hilbert did appear to not know. that was basically it.
 

DenverCo

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Feb 21, 2019
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Denver
Comparing YouTube creators to music albums or other media is crazy. Some content creators have 100+ videos.

I understand asking if the dude is alright before you take the plunge into viewing all that content.

Also why do people have to be so rude? Let the person ask the question. I understand they can Google it. But why feel the need to come into the thread that you don't care about? if you don't like it then don't waste your time and my time by derailing the thread. Ignore feature is great. I use it plenty on topics I don't care about.
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Comparing YouTube creators to music albums or other media is crazy. Some content creators have 100+ videos.

I understand asking if the dude is alright before you take the plunge into viewing all that content.

Also why do people have to be so rude? Let the person ask the question. I understand they can Google it. But why feel the need to come into the thread that you don't care about? if you don't like it then don't waste your time and my time by derailing the thread. Ignore feature is great. I use it plenty on topics I don't care about.

Because fanboys latch their identities to media.
 

Deleted member 11413

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He should've known damn well that a good portion of his audience is underaged. And tons of people lie about their age to access porn sites. He's a complete fucking shit for brains if he thought nobody underage would send him nudes. There's also a clear power imbalance between him and his fans. If any big celebrity had an account on a social media site literally dedicated to exchanging nudes with their fans, they would immediately (rightfully) get shit for it. His wife has also posted tons of stuff proving he was manipulative and continued to have sex with someone else after she called off their relationship being open. He's a piece of shit. He's not suddenly this poor victim just because two of the people he exchanged nudes with lied about their age.
Felt like I should comment on this given my own trauma, but I put this thread on ignore because discussions of this entire situation are extremely triggering for me for reasons that will become apparent down below:

LostSkullKid gets this completely. I think it's fair to say he did not intend to groom or abuse any minors, and did not have knowledge he was doing so. That said, he did create a situation with a serious imbalance of power where he used that power to get sexual gratification from his fans, and created an environment where even his underage fans felt pressure to engage in that behavior to seek his attention and approval. That is condemnable.

I was abused by online predators in sexual spaces I should not have been in when I was a teenager. When the abuse/grooming I suffered started, the people grooming me knew I was underage and still sought sexual gratification from me. They groomed me into behaving in certain way in those online spaces for their own gratification. Eventually, I would go onto interact with other people who were not my original abusers in those spaces, who did not know I was underage. Sometimes people would ask if I was 18+, I would lie and say yes because I wanted the validation my abusers groomed me to seek out in these places I didn't belong. Those people did not knowingly abuse me, but those interactions were still harmful to me despite their ignorance. I bring this up because the situation with Jared is very similar. Is he a child abuser? No. Is he a person who created situations that abused his power over his audience, a situation in which minors felt like they needed to get validation through behavior harmful to themselves? Yes.

The fact that some underage people lied to him about how old they were when they sent him nudes does not let him off the hook for creating a predatory environment. He's not a child abuser, but those people were still harmed, and he created the conditions for that harm to occur.
 

Deleted member 6263

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Felt like I should comment on this given my own trauma, but I put this thread on ignore because discussions of this entire situation are extremely triggering for me for reasons that will become apparent down below:

LostSkullKid gets this completely. I think it's fair to say he did not intend to groom or abuse any minors, and did not have knowledge he was doing so. That said, he did create a situation with a serious imbalance of power where he used that power to get sexual gratification from his fans, and created an environment where even his underage fans felt pressure to engage in that behavior to seek his attention and approval. That is condemnable.

I was abused by online predators in sexual spaces I should not have been in when I was a teenager. When the abuse/grooming I suffered started, the people grooming me knew I was underage and still sought sexual gratification from me. They groomed me into behaving in certain way in those online spaces for their own gratification. Eventually, I would go onto interact with other people who were not my original abusers in those spaces, who did not know I was underage. Sometimes people would ask if I was 18+, I would lie and say yes because I wanted the validation my abusers groomed me to seek out in these places I didn't belong. Those people did not knowingly abuse me, but those interactions were still harmful to me despite their ignorance. I bring this up because the situation with Jared is very similar. Is he a child abuser? No. Is he a person who created situations that abused his power over his audience, a situation in which minors felt like they needed to get validation through behavior harmful to themselves? Yes.

The fact that some underage people lied to him about how old they were when they sent him nudes does not let him off the hook for creating a predatory environment. He's not a child abuser, but those people were still harmed, and he created the conditions for that harm to occur.
Damn this was hard to read :\

Not sure if I've told you this before but I really appreciate what you bring to Era, Ostia. Thank you for being so open about what must've undoubtedly been a difficult time in your life.
 

Deleted member 11413

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Damn this was hard to read :\

Not sure if I've told you this before but I really appreciate what you bring to Era, Ostia. Thank you for being so open about what must've undoubtedly been a difficult time in your life.
Sorry to bring it up, not trying to ruin anyone's day but it seemed relevant to the discussion.

Thanks, appreciate the support. Most people aren't comfortable doing so (I wasn't comfortable doing so for most of my life, and I'm still not in person), so sometimes it feels necessary to explain my experiences and trauma so others can understand the harm.
 

LostSkullKid

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I don't want to end up derailing the thread too much seeing as the thread's supposed to be about the Completionist. But I was a fan of ProJared before and I followed his main blog on Tumblr. I never paid too much attention to it but I do remember some stuff he posted to his MAIN blog being kind of questionable. So, I really don't want to know what was happening on the other one. Also, one time after putting out a video making fun of the game Super Seducer (a shitty game made by a pick up artist), I sent him a joke message on Tumblr saying something along the lines of "not everybody is a total player who can get any girl they want like you, so some people need that game to learn how to pick up girls" but I feel like wording was like even more blantantly obvious that I was just trying to make a joke and that I was actually mocking the game but for some reason, he replied to me really agressively publicly and then a bunch of his fans started harassing me and some told me to kill myself. And so I sent him another message telling him the previous message was meant to be a joke and that I was sorry that I didn't make it totally clear and asked him if he could delete his response or make some effort to stop people from harassing me and he never replied and never deleted his original reply, so I continued to get harassed by his fans for a while.
I'm also pretty sure he fetishizes trans people. Several of the people he exchanged nudes with were trans and I'm sure he tried to spin it as some kind of body positivity thing. But like the only time I ever decided to watch him on Twitch, he was going on at length about how he thought futanari hentai was the best kind of hentai. So, I feel kind of inclined to believe that he tried to convince trans people that he was just trying to make them feel better about their body while in reality, he was just using them as fetish fuel.
 

Treasure Silvergun

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You need an Internet forum's approval to dictate what you're gonna watch?

How old are you, OP?
 

Sacul64

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Messofanego

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UK
Felt like I should comment on this given my own trauma, but I put this thread on ignore because discussions of this entire situation are extremely triggering for me for reasons that will become apparent down below:

LostSkullKid gets this completely. I think it's fair to say he did not intend to groom or abuse any minors, and did not have knowledge he was doing so. That said, he did create a situation with a serious imbalance of power where he used that power to get sexual gratification from his fans, and created an environment where even his underage fans felt pressure to engage in that behavior to seek his attention and approval. That is condemnable.

I was abused by online predators in sexual spaces I should not have been in when I was a teenager. When the abuse/grooming I suffered started, the people grooming me knew I was underage and still sought sexual gratification from me. They groomed me into behaving in certain way in those online spaces for their own gratification. Eventually, I would go onto interact with other people who were not my original abusers in those spaces, who did not know I was underage. Sometimes people would ask if I was 18+, I would lie and say yes because I wanted the validation my abusers groomed me to seek out in these places I didn't belong. Those people did not knowingly abuse me, but those interactions were still harmful to me despite their ignorance. I bring this up because the situation with Jared is very similar. Is he a child abuser? No. Is he a person who created situations that abused his power over his audience, a situation in which minors felt like they needed to get validation through behavior harmful to themselves? Yes.

The fact that some underage people lied to him about how old they were when they sent him nudes does not let him off the hook for creating a predatory environment. He's not a child abuser, but those people were still harmed, and he created the conditions for that harm to occur.
Sorry to hear about what you went through. That must have been tough but thank you for talking about your experience.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,406
UK
Everyone who's still in JonTron's orbit, I've just been side-eyeing.

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Like did NakeyJakey (mind only watched his RDR video, so not a big fan) really need to hug him publicly (June 2019)? It felt like a redemption from his white friends like they're just happy his hiatus is over even when he hasn't done the work to deserve it, and a dismissal of the BAME people affected by JonTron's bigotry.
 

Sacul64

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Oct 27, 2017
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Would it be worth making a new topic about people going back and still continuing to support Jon Tron?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So do we have a list of people it is okay/not okay to support? Because I honestly can't keep track of who we can talk about, who we can support, etc. It's too much.
 

waugh

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Feb 21, 2020
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I have to be honest I would find it hard to let go of a close friend if I found out they were bigot after we were close. Luckily I've never been exposed to such a situation where I've had to make that choice. So I can understand why PBG or Jirard would still try to see the good in them.

Though I can also understand and agree with someone who chooses to not watch their content because of this. It's certainly hard to try and come to terms with it. I must admit I am white and I am privileged because of that. I can afford to be around someone like that but my friends who are of color cannot and in a case where I have to choose between my close racist friend who supporting my friends of color I know I'd make the right choice and go with the latter.

I admit it's a character flaw I have. I try and see the good in people and man does it fuck me over so many times. Why is this world like this? Man, fuck you Jon.
 

Hilbert

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Oct 27, 2017
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I have to be honest I would find it hard to let go of a close friend if I found out they were bigot after we were close. Luckily I've never been exposed to such a situation where I've had to make that choice. So I can understand why PBG or Jirard would still try to see the good in them.

Though I can also understand and agree with someone who chooses to not watch their content because of this. It's certainly hard to try and come to terms with it. I must admit I am white and I am privileged because of that. I can afford to be around someone like that but my friends who are of color cannot and in a case where I have to choose between my close racist friend who supporting my friends of color I know I'd make the right choice and go with the latter.

I admit it's a character flaw I have. I try and see the good in people and man does it fuck me over so many times. Why is this world like this? Man, fuck you Jon.

What does that mean, not letting go of them?

How can you even stand to be around a bigoted person? Wouldn't you be embarrassed to be around them and other people? Would you expose your kids to them?

The number of close friends I have cut off after they reveal bigotry is non-zero and it isn't hard at all.
 

Doctor_Thomas

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Oct 27, 2017
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Being a bigot isn't a difference of opinions. It's not like both sides have a point and are disagreeing.

If you can't cut a bigot out of your life, you're standing by their bigoted views.
 

waugh

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Feb 21, 2020
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What does that mean, not letting go of them?

How can you even stand to be around a bigoted person? Wouldn't you be embarrassed to be around them and other people? Would you expose your kids to them?

The number of close friends I have cut off after they reveal bigotry is non-zero and it isn't hard at all.

Honestly Hilbert I admire your ability to stick to your guns. Like I said I think it's a character flaw I have. I just want to see the good in people especially if we had a close relationship before. It feels wrong, even though I know that's irrational.
 

Mahonay

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Oct 25, 2017
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honestly if you get into the stuff of "if x terrible person is involved in this thing i won't watch/play it" you basically can't get into media at all as like probably 90% of all major media at least has one person in it that's a total scumbag or just has shitty views. they're super, super common even in this day and age. you'll inevitably end up supporting bad people just by engaging with media at all.

personally i don't subscribe to that stuff. i still watch jontron even with all his shitty views(though with adblock on it's not really support). seperating content from the creators is pretty much needed if you're going to watch stuff.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
50,134
A lot of things change in two years.

Not where money is stored, but other things.
 

Thorrgal

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Oct 26, 2017
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Seeing all these banned people in old threads makes me feel like we're in some kind of long term Squid Game here lol
 

sugarmonkey

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Oct 27, 2017
515
Whew what a 180! Really makes me wonder if the OP knew something the rest of us didn't. Lmao even. I'll be following any future predictions from OP very closely.
 

Stencil

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Oct 30, 2017
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lmao

edit: damn this was a spicy thread. So many bans.
"Oh, WHAT! So you cancel a guy just because he doesn't want to cut ties with his Nazi friend?! This Era bubble, I swear!"
 
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