The coming next-gen jump is actually the smallest we ever had.

[Buddy]

First of all let me say I'm very excited about the coming consoles and will buy me a ps5 day 1.

But looking at the specs of the new consoles and I can't be the only one who thinks this.

The only components which are true generational leaps are the CPU power and the storage speed.

Ram we are going from 8gb to 16gb.... that's only a 2x jump. The jump from ps3 to PS4 was 16x.

Gpu performance we are going from 1.8tf to 10.2tf.... that's a ~5x jump. The jump from ps3 to PS4 was 8x.

The jump in storage space is even smaller. We are not even getting a 2x jump from the last gen and the games are certainly not getting smaller.

I am no expert but I play video games since the 80's and from the rough numbers we are seemingly getting the smallest jump ever. It is even smaller when we factor in the pro versions of the systems.

What is the reason for this? Was the same jump not possible from a technical standpoint or do I have a failure in my thought process? Why just a 2 times jump in memory when we were getting normally 10-20 times of a jump for example....

 

[Datajoy]

A whole post about how next gen is underwhelming without even mentioning the SSDs. Wow.

 

[BadWolf]

This thread will age like fine wine.

 

[Vegetom]

(Almost) no loading times, worth it.

 

[Listai]

I am no expert.

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That much is obvious. You've handwaved some pretty significant developments in bandwidth and loading times.

 

[TripaSeca]

Let posterity know that I TripaSeca, at the prime of my cognitive abilities, fully aware of my assessments and under no form of coercion,

On this day I said

No

 

[P40L0]

Sure, Jan

 

[Annihilator]

Well looking at those numbers yea you can make that argument but getting an SSD is huge that you failed to mention. Also if they get rtx, hdr uniformed on all games and not half baked like hdr is now on most games that will be another game changer.

 

[Jamrock User]

It's been said already but the teraflop jump isn't 5X. The architecture is not equal and therefore 1tflop on PS4 does not equal 1tflop on ps5.

 

[jroc74]

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lol, it aged before it was posted.

 

[JustAnotherOne]

We should have an archive just for threads like this so we can look back a couple of years down the road and laugh.

 

[Cess007]

I am no expert

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Hmmmmm

 

[DriftingSpirit]

The funny thing is that this upcoming gen is actually one of the biggest jumps.

The PS3->PS4 jump is the smallest.

 

[jsnepo]

That 5x TF jump. LOL

 

[Desma]

I can tell you're no expert

 

[Deleted member 11175]

GPU is increasing by 8 TF. That's the biggest flops increase yet.

 

[KarmaCow]

3 -> 4 is a 33% increase
4 -> 5 is only 25%

 

[Cenauru]

I'm no expert either but SSD's becoming the new baseline sounds very promising.

 

[CrispyGamer]

Nah we getting CG quality visuals this gen boys n girls with incredible fidelity...the UE5 demo was just a taste of an early engine and an early PS5 dev kit next gen might be the second biggest jump in history

 

[Robin]

Making an ol' mental bookmark for this thread.

 

[Phellps]

If you're no expert then maybe you should not act like you can make such claims.

 

[dep9000]

(Almost) no loading times, worth it.

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Yeah! I need that fast switching between games. It's a game changer! And hopefully that comes to Switch 2 as well.

 

[TripaSeca]

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FTFY

 

[Gay Bowser]

GPU is increasing by 8 TF. That's the biggest flops increase yet.

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Any discussion like this has to be based on percentages, otherwise the most recent increase will always be the biggest.

Like, if the next-next-gen consoles increase 9 or 10 TF when they are released seven years from now, that would actually be hugely disappointing despite being "the biggest flops increase yet" in nominal terms.

 

[Couleurs]

Think of it as less of a leap in terms of graphics, but a massive leap in terms of design and performance with SSDs.

 

[--R]

Aged like milk. This is one of those threads that people go back to in a couple of years to say "lol era"

 

[Spinluck]

OP if you recheck your numbers you'll see why your math is off.

Also, consider that balanced hardware is sometimes more powerful than imbalanced but theoretically powerful hardware.

Look at the Cell and how much of a bitch in the ass that was. These machines aren't just being made to push the latest console tech, but to do it in an efficient way that might not be all that apparent in the spec sheet. If you made the argument in the case of diminishing returns you might have something there.

This leap, however... I think will have most gamers satisfied once games built around the new I/O tech start arriving.

 

[Carn]

The PS3->PS4 jump is the smallest.

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Yeah I think I agree. I was playing through the Uncharted Collection the other day and I realised that a lot of games have changed very little. Sure, graphics improved, some of them got some cool new features; but most of them are really iterations of the PS3/X360-era 'templates' (..altough one could argue that the same goes for the generation before that..)

 

[Strike]

Nah.

 

[xxracerxx]

Think of it as less of a leap in terms of graphics, but a massive leap in terms of design and performance with SSDs.

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Yup.

 

[wars]

You should see the specs again.

 

[Charpunk]

The CPU increase alone is going to have a huge impact compared to this gen.

 

[Deleted member 54292]

lol

 

[UnluckyKate]

cancel next gen bois. A non expert said it wasn't worth it :(

 

[Calabi]

Are people clueless. Unreal Engine 5 just showed a generational leap, that plus no loading is kind of crazy, and way beyond what I expected.

 

[Betelgeuse]

You've missed the forest for the trees.

The SSD speed - not storage space! - will enable transformative leaps in game design. It's not just load times, it's the volume and variety of assets you can load, and how fast you can load them, supporting high speed traversal (think Spider-Man or Superman) and instant location/time travel. The Unreal Engine 5 demo demonstrates exactly this.

The leap in CPU will also be transformative, enabling much more complex simulation and interactivity.

There are also a bunch of really significant software developments that will make a big impact. Stuff like VRS and increased use of photogrammetry.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

There's definitely going to be a point where graphics are goingt o be hard to improve on, but we've always managed it, but I think this is why we need to also look at performance and, most importantly, how developers can use hardware to streamline their own tools to reduce their work loads to reduce the need for crunch, to eliminate it entirely. I have no idea if the hardware coming up helps with that, but hopefully it can.

 

[Ignis]

Just stop

 

[Deleted member 30077]

The funny thing is that this upcoming gen is actually one of the biggest jumps.

The PS3->PS4 jump is the smallest.

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That seems like a silly statement to make when next gen hasn't even started. Some of you have some crazy expectations for next gen.

 

[Combo]

So SSD is enough to refute the OP? He is talking about GPU performance and then about storage capacity and you counter him with bandwidth?

 

[Weltall Zero]

I swear to god you guys boil with the rage and contempt of a thousand suns for someone being skeptical of generational leaps but you're all like "meh, whatever" on actual, literal slavery being involved in their manufacture. Is the honor of next generation consoles so precious that you need to protect it as if your lives depended on it? Get a grip for fuck's sake.

 

[Aurica]

Aged like milk. This is one of those threads that people go back to in a couple of years to say "lol era"

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I think people will do that in a couple hours, even.

 

[Clive]

Which are your favorite next gen exclusive games?

 

[fanboy]

It will be the most glotious jump just because of the ssd and new ways to approach level design... next gen games by talented studios that want to he challenged wíll be top notch..

If someone wants photorealistic graphics, make a time jump 20 years in the future

I am extremely excited and i hope that developers will have much more room and their work will be less complicated.

 

[Thatguy]

I'm expecting snappier UI (at launch at least) and much better load times and visuals a little better than current gen. Same old franchises will look a little better and and feel the same and a few indies will do something crazy cool. Gains made in dev pipeline will be offset by more time spent on graphics. But yeah the generational wow factor wont be as strong as previous jumps.

 

[Okabe]

You're not Alexander !

 

[Feep]

3 -> 4 is a 33% increase
4 -> 5 is only 25%

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Underrated post tbh

 

[HighspeedRefleX]

Devs been working closely with the companies. Movie assets in games... There is nothing to worry about.

 

[Gay Bowser]

The funny thing is that this upcoming gen is actually one of the biggest jumps.

The PS3->PS4 jump is the smallest.

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I don't disagree that the PS3->PS4 jump left something to be desired (especially regarding the CPU) but I don't know if I would say this is "actually one of the biggest jumps." The SSD will be nice.

I feel like a lot of people loling about this post don't realize that from the Atari to about the PS2 there was a steady cadence of consoles that were each, like, an order of magnitude (or more!) greater than the previous consoles in every way. The SNES has sixty-four times the RAM of the NES, and thirty-two times the VRAM. And then the PlayStation had sixteen times the RAM and VRAM of the SNES. That doesn't mean that this generation won't be a noticeable increase, or that we won't have good games. But PC technology is just a lot more mature now, and there's fewer huge leaps and bounds.

 

[learning]

I mean, you're right, diminishing returns dude.