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The candidate dividing Iowa progressives

Nocturnal

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His ascent is driving a wedge between Iowa progressives. Warren supporters I talked with in the state told me that, while they may not find Buttigieg sufficiently progressive on certain issues, they're dazzled by his intellect and attracted to his folksy charm. Most Sanders backers, though, tended to feel the opposite: Buttigieg, they told me—with his elite education, his moderate policy positions, and his appeals to Donald Trump–wary Republicans—represents everything that's wrong with the current Democratic Party.

Nationally, roughly 14 percent of Warren supporters have said that Buttigieg is their second-favorite primary candidate, according to the most recent data from Morning Consult. But only about 3 percent of Sanders backers said the same. In Iowa, the contrast is even more stark. Some 20 percent of Warren supporters in the state said their next choice would be Buttigieg, according to a new poll from Civiqs and Iowa State University, compared with 3 percent of Sanders backers.
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"Nobody was surprised by Biden being a conservative, neoliberal jackass," says Caroline Schoonover, a Sanders supporter and the co-chair of the Central Iowa Democratic Socialists of America. For someone who appears to share broadly the same ideology as Biden "but brands themselves as 'new' like Pete, it's kind of more gross."
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I guess you could say that Pete is a divisive candidate who touts endorsements that haven't been made




As I mentioned a few weeks ago Pete is spending a big chunk of his money into Iowa and New Hampshire, while also investing 2 million in ad buys in South Carolina. He has already eaten away from Biden's support in Iowa/NH and recently it seems Warren's support is also being effected. She needs to invest a lot more into either Iowa or New Hampshire because she can't afford to allow Pete to win both. As examined a few weeks ago Biden is heading for a 4th place in Iowa and 4th place in New Hampshire. I don't think his campaign will recover. Pete has won out so far, so Biden's campaign really needs to attack him in the coming weeks and also do a lot more in Iowa/NH in order to not be 4th or worse. Warren needs to do the same. Momentum going into to be key factor for Warren beating out Biden and Pete. She needs to focus all of her efforts to come out top in both places.
 
Ryuelli

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I don't like Pete at all, makes me sad that he's still in and Beto isn't.

Warren is at the top of my list now, Pete is probably bottom 2 or 3.
 
jml

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He's so slimy and shady. I've gone from thinking he's a guy who generally means well in the beginning (though I still wasn't going to vote for him) to now where he's my least favorite candidate in the whole field.
 
mutantmagnet

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As examined a few weeks ago Biden is heading for a 4th place in Iowa and 4th place in New Hampshire. I don't think his campaign will recover. Pete has won out so far, so Biden's campaign really needs to attack him in the coming weeks and also do a lot more in Iowa/NH in order to not be 4th or worse.
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Well that explains why Bloomberg is panicking. Despite Joe's lead on a national level it would crater if he couldn't even place second in both opening states. Certain candidates can hold out for super Tuesday. Biden otoh can't.
 
Socivol

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I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
 
jml

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Socivol said:
I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
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I really really hate this implication that the only reason black voters don't like Buttigieg is because they're homophobic, as if there aren't other glaring reasons for minorities to distrust him.
 
CharlesAznable

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Socivol said:
I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
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Or maybe black voters won't vote for him because he was a terrible Mayor for blacks in South Bend and he hasn't made any significant policy pushes for them?
 
Reverse Giraffe

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Socivol said:
I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
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There are some other reasons why Buttigieg doesn't have wide support in the black community. He has a very weak record when it comes to police-community relations in South Bend.
 
Gaia Lanzer

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I always say what I did when I found out about him running, "Pete, go back to South Bend and fix shit there before even thinkin' you could tackle the problems of the entire nation!"
 
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Nocturnal

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In this very article we see people that dislike Pete more than Biden and I don't think his sexual orientation has anything to do with it
 
TheRuralJuror

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Socivol said:
I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
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As a black guy, I don't like him sure, but it sure as fuck isn't because he's gay. I'm sure some may feel that way, but I'd hesitate stating it such a generalized and matter of factly way. That's certainly not the sole reason black voters don't like him.
 
Kirblar

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Pete is not capable of winning a Dem primary. He IS capable of beating Biden in Iowa, but that will not translate to national success because he makes Bernie look like Bill Clinton re: black voters. And it's not because he's gay.
with his elite education,
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But good god don't make bad arguments that make him look good.
Nassudan said:
I haven't followed this week, what's she done? She's my number one but I'll vote for whatever Dem in the end of it all anyway.
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Actually dared to try and position herself to win an election.
 
ratcliffja

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legacyzero said:
Full Bernie from here. I have Warren as a number two, but shes been working real hard to make me hate her this week


Yeah hes dumping a shit ton of money into Iowa, but I still think he'll lose.
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Funny because her M4A change made me feel a LOT better about voting for her. Doing a public option first makes a ton more sense and is a lot more feasible.
 
legacyzero

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Nassudan said:
I haven't followed this week, what's she done? She's my number one but I'll vote for whatever Dem in the end of it all anyway.
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Subtle backtracking on Medicare 4 All
Dodged a soft ball question on supporting chaning up the primary state order because Iowa and New Hampshire are too white. She replied "do you really think I'm gonna attack Iowa and New Hampshire?" Then angrily walked off stage.
She indirectly parroted Bernie's "fight for somebody you dont know" tagline.
Defended Israel
To my knowledge, she hasnt said anything about the situation in Bolivia
She said "We need ICE"

And that's just what I managed to catch in my Twitter feed while I'm on vacation this week lol

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Funny because her M4A change made me feel a LOT better about voting for her. Doing a public option first makes a ton more sense and is a lot more feasible.
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Just in time to risk having Republicans take over and destroy it all. Why not fight for it on day one? What you just said is some pragmatic jargon that doesn't do much for the people that need it.

But consider the subtext- Shes been iffy on M4A anyway. Like this while time, and theres other issues with the bill that I've read as well, particularly the head tax.

Liz is definitely my second choice. But damn, it'd feel a bit like a let down
 
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Pete is a joke candidate selling this fantasy narrative that a small-town mayor has adequate experience to be president so long as he's very smart. He's like a sugar rush for people with no actual policy beliefs outside of "I want an outsider" and "I want someone who makes me feel very smart for voting for him". I'd still probably take him over dedicated centrists like Biden or Klobuchar, or genuine crazies like Gabbard, but literally everyone else I'd vote for first.

Also, I find it hard note to be skeptical of Buttigieg supporters when, if you're looking for very smart person who is left of Biden, right of Warren/Sanders, Harris and Booker have been right there the whole time, but something makes you think Mayor Pete is the choice?
 
TheRuralJuror

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Daytak said:
You probably don't want Beto either
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Why? Because he's wearing a hat he's worn before for a similar event?


The ability of some of you to try to take a headline or tweet and spin it as something else without understanding or being interested in understanding the background is pretty disgusting. Take some time to look into what you're discussing rather than spread the same ignorance we passionately speak out against daily. I'm not even a huge Beto guy, but good grief.
 
Bronx-Man

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Nigga here: I don't dislike Buttigieg because he's gay, I don't like him because he's a slimy opportunist that'll say whatever is polling well. One day he's a progressive, one day he's Biden-lite, one day he's saying we need to drop the divisiveness, one day he's taking shots at everyone like a grade-schooler.

That plus his response to police brutality in his town told me everything I need to know about him.
 
lmcfigs

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Well if Pete is splitting the Warren/progressive vote and hurting Biden... maybe he should stay a little bit.
Bronx-Man said:
Nigga here: I don't dislike Buttigieg because he's gay, I don't like him because he's a slimy opportunist that'll say whatever is polling well. One day he's a progressive, one day he's Biden-lite, one day he's saying we need to drop the divisiveness, one day he's taking shots at everyone like a grade-schooler.

That plus his response to police brutality in his town told me everything I need to know about him.
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It doesn't happen so much on this site. But the talking point about black people not liking Pete because he's gay was one of the most disrespectful things I've coming across this campaign season.
 
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Bronx-Man said:
Nigga here: I don't dislike Buttigieg because he's gay, I don't like him because he's a slimy opportunist that'll say whatever is polling well. One day he's a progressive, one day he's Biden-lite, one day he's saying we need to drop the divisiveness, one day he's taking shots at everyone like a grade-schooler.

That plus his response to police brutality in his town told me everything I need to know about him.
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I endorse this nigga's post.
 
TheRuralJuror

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lmcfigs said:
You have to admit that the message is not obviously clear... "the border makes the country great" sounds like a republican slogan.
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It doesn't take more than ten to twenty seconds to look that shit up for anyone interested in doing anything other than making poor implications. Let's leave defending ignorance and mistruths to republicans. It's becoming far too common here.

NoName999 said:
When all else fail, blame the Nergoes.

Every. Single. Time.
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It's the one train that never arrives late.
 
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Socivol said:
I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
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When all else fail, blame the Nergoes.

Every. Single. Time.
 

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Holy cow every so often I realized my political views don't fit in on ERA

Pete is a fine candidate with some really good ideas (in my view of course, there are also valid criticisms in this topic)
 
RailWays

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Bronx-Man said:
Nigga here: I don't dislike Buttigieg because he's gay, I don't like him because he's a slimy opportunist that'll say whatever is polling well. One day he's a progressive, one day he's Biden-lite, one day he's saying we need to drop the divisiveness, one day he's taking shots at everyone like a grade-schooler.

That plus his response to police brutality in his town told me everything I need to know about him.
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Cosigned
 
legacyzero

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GottaBelieve said:
Holy cow every so often I realized my political views don't fit in on ERA

Pete is a fine candidate with some really good ideas (in my view of course, there are also valid criticisms in this topic)
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The dude literally pretended to be a lefty progressive for months before shifting right to centrist.to try and replace Biden while he tanks.

Pete is a lot of things, but principled and honest arent included
 
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Ramjag said:
Why? Because he's wearing a hat he's worn before for a similar event?


The ability of some of you to try to take a headline or tweet and spin it as something else without understanding or being interested in understanding the background is pretty disgusting. Take some time to look into what you're discussing rather than spread the same ignorance we passionately speak out against daily. I'm not even a huge Beto guy, but good grief.
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Agreed. We're gonna get posts throughout this thread quoting that with hot takes, though.
 
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Pete wouldn't be the worst president of all the candidates still running, but he's definitely the one I find most transparently loathsome.
 

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legacyzero said:
The dude literally pretended to be a lefty progressive for months before shifting right to centrist.to try and replace Biden while he tanks.

Pete is a lot of things, but principled and honest arent included
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How do you feel he "shifted"? I have been impressed with his ideas on abolishing the Electoral College, revamping the Supreme Court, and providing healthcare for all via a public option. I've been keeping up with him since about February and none of those views have changed.

what views do you feel have shifted?
 
Kirblar

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legacyzero said:
The dude literally pretended to be a lefty progressive for months before shifting right to centrist.to try and replace Biden while he tanks.

Pete is a lot of things, but principled and honest arent included
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He was always positioned as a moderate in the race. It's the behavior that shifted, not the positioning.
 
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Socivol said:
I'm going to be 100% honest here, I don't think Pete can win. Black voters are not going to vote for him. Homophobia in the black community is so pervasive that I just can't see black voters voting for him. Without that he won't be winning the nomination.
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This post is bad and racist to its core. At the same time it's exactly what the Pete campaign thinks. Socivol might as well be a spokesperson for Mayor Pete.
 

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lmcfigs said:
It doesn't happen so much on this site. But the talking point about black people not liking Pete because he's gay was one of the most disrespectful things I've coming across this campaign season.
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It's not surprising, but it should be. White people telling other white people how black people feel is America's favorite pastime.

As for Pete, whatever. I like that he's playing spoiler to Biden. I'm okay with a few of his policies (yes, he has them), and I like him more than most of the candidates.

But that's because I strongly dislike a bunch of them, not because I think Pete is anything other than an Obama Democrat who speaks well and will govern in half steps.
 
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I'm not exactly sure why he thought it would be good to run nationally this soon, though ulitmately I guess it will just help him in the state level position he is really going to go after. He's... like when I listen to him, I don't hear any real heart for the issues.
 
Kirblar

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Ziltoidia 9 said:
I'm not exactly sure why he thought it would be good to run nationally this soon, though ulitmately I guess it will just help him in the state level position he is really going to go after. He's... like when I listen to him, I don't hear any real heart for the issues.
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There's literally no political career path upwards in Indiana possible anymore due to political polarization.
 
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