Nostalgia for a game I played two weeks after the remake... sure. Are you even reading what I wrote?
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the best way to play MGS1: original vs twin snakes
- Thread starter Mezati99
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Nostalgia for a game I played two weeks after the remake... sure. Are you even reading what I wrote?
I didn't say that.
I would use "nitpicky" next time. English is my second language, but I think most people will find "pedantic" pejorative.
Ok but you still think the original has better graphics? Fair enough, you're wrong for different reasons then.
Sorry maybe I'm being rude. Not about the difficulty or new directed cutscenes which I can respect people's opinions to disagree on, just talking about graphics here, anyone saying no eyes characters or blurry blue textures are better art direction is writing pretentously and 'hipstery'
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Duly noted! Was never my intention to insult, sorry it came across that way!
You misquoted the first part of your post, btw, it wasn't me who said that.
The remake has a higher polygon count. I don't think I've ever argued otherwise.
"Better graphics" outside of that cannot be measured objectively. I would say MGS1's art direction is vastly superior, though.
It has a very good atmosphere and sense of place. If you like RE and Siren for that then MGS1 delivers a lot on that front.
Fidelity and art direction are different things, nobody would ever try to argue that the original has better fidelity but there's definitely an argument to be made for the original as far as art direction goes. I'm a big TS fan, but I much preffer the original's gritty approach to the sterile look TS goes for.
I definitely prefer Twin Snakes. It plays better, looks better, the cutscenes are fucking great. There's nothing in the original that I prefer other than maybe the music. People say that Twin Snakes made the game too easy, but the game wasn't that hard to begin with besides one of the last fights.
But I'm certainly in the minority.
But I'm certainly in the minority.
There is no gritty look, that's just blurrier graphics because it's on an older console and you over thinking about the different colours and worse textures. I appreciate people have different art choices but this looks awfully silly. And the other post claimed the new character animations are not an improvement, so they were inarguably wrong.
As said before, there is a difference in the colourpalate, the artstyle, the details.
I mean damn, just look at the screenshots of the intro posted a few posts back. There is rusty metal, there is visible tiles, there are more colours. It is not blurry, infact it is crisp but pixelated. In the remake it looks very clean and "MGS2" like.
And the characters animations while more detailed look very dumb. I personally prefer the original because the art direction and the characters blend more into the overall style compared to the remake.
It's like someone saying they prefer San Andreas graphics over GTA V became the former has a twilight feel to it and more distinct lamp posts or whatever. I'd laugh at that rubbish and wouldn't believe them. I reckon you're just wrong if you think the characters expressions look less dumb when they don't even have eyes. C'mon.
It has nothing to do with blurry graphics, I've never even played the actual original PS1 MGS1 beyond the first 20 minutes, only played it over 10 years after having played TS to death on the GC and even then it was emulated and at high resolutions (have played it 3 times to completion versus 4.5 playthroughs with TS)! Go play MGS1 and Twin Snakes both at 4K or at least 1080 and you'll notice the obvious differences in lighting and texture work. Original is much darker and grittier than TS, which goes for a much cleaner and sterile look. There's no blurriness or overthinking involved, they straight up look different.
The Twin Snakes also loses the theme and that hurts it a ton. Outside of that, the cutscenes dont bother me, I liked Versus and Azumi.
You have to do all that to help convince yourself a PlayStation Metal Gear looks better than a GameCube one? Lol that is the complete opposite of "obvious" it doesn't help your point. They do look different, you're right, the GameCube one looks better in almost every way, despite all the projection, 'set them both in 4k', forgive me for not having the time.
Seems to me you can't understand that sometimes art direction matters more than the graphics.
Yes, the gamecube version is "better" but that doesn't mean people who like the original style are doing so because they are blind to nostalgia. The game has a different art style. Not sure why you seem this sure that it is "loyal" when we have proven it is not.
And yes, to me the original looks less dumb because it blends well with the original artstyle. The lack of expressions add more to the sense of imagination which results into a "less is more" situation.
I don't expect you to understand this though.
You don't have an actual argument it's just "a GameCube game looks better than a PS1 game, end of discussion."
I'm starting to think you have to be trolling at this point... not only are you completely misrepresenting what I just said to you but the superior tone is completely unwarranted, especially considering your entire strategy as far as getting your point across so far seems to have solely relied on an invincible ignorance fallacy.
I don't have to do anything, I decided to replay the series back in 2015 before the release of 5 and since I had never played the original I decided it was time to finally try it out. I own the game on PSN but decided to play it on the PC because it would look and perform better. I liked it alot and decided to also replay TS before moving on to MGS2 and I immediately noticed how different they looked upon starting TS (which I hadn't played since '05), mainly the lighting, textures and colour palette. You may not agree with others that the original is better in that regard, but the idea that the differences people keep pointing out to you are figments of our imagination, especially when so many of us have no nostalgia towards the game is borderline ludicrous. I think both games have their merits but aesthetically I would say the original has the upper hand, even if only slightly. You can disagree all you want but there's no right or wrong when it comes to aesthetic preference.
Also, how exactly does running both games at the same resolution and framerate not help my point? Wouldn't that be the ideal way to compare them... in a vacuum and under the same circumstances?
I said I understand art direction but this is just people seeing things. Perhaps not all of is due to the look of nostalgia as one poster says, but this 'the original leaves more to the imagination' as I've as heard in threads before, is nostalgic, it sounds like an excuse or romanticising that there's less they could do at the time. Yeah that's some version of nostalgia.
It's not about leaving details to the imagination. The original game has a more varied color palette and the use of color creates an atmosphere and vibe not present in the remake. Stop hiding behind this nostalgia BS, it's completely disingenuous.
So you somehow can read my mind? I am not "seeing things". It has nothing to do with nostalgia and I prefer the look of the first game.
At the end of the day you don't like it but as proven by the countless threads, most people prefer the first game and feel it "looks better".
Twin Snakes is decent, but it's really obvious that the new mechanics in the MGS2 engine don't mesh with the original's design at all.
Voice acting is much better in the original too. You can tell half the cast in the TTS don't give a shit and are phoning it in (lookin' at you Jennifer Hale)
Play the original.
Voice acting is much better in the original too. You can tell half the cast in the TTS don't give a shit and are phoning it in (lookin' at you Jennifer Hale)
Play the original.
Do you think 'the old graphics lead more to the imagination' along those lines, has nothing to do with nostalgia? Or that it about them preferring character models with no eyes? Perhaps we're going in circles but to be clear, that's not art direction, that's just something lacking because of what was manageable at the time.
When I said it's made up, they accidentally agreed by mentioning their imagination fills up the gap.
You can say the blue is more atmospheric than it being more green, but what does that mean except from wriggling out adjectives next? You can do that with anything and say crappier graphics are always better if you want. Sorry mate, not trying to be superior, I need a bit of a giggle because when it's said it's grittier and different, well it just sounds like a way to glorify crappier graphics. Of Course I do think it's grittier, because it's uglier.
And indeed no amount of threads also mentioned will convince me the original does look better.
To be fair the Metal Gear Series is directed like it wants to be a movie series.
That's because neither of them looks better. TS has better fidelity, that is an unquestionable truth... which one "looks better" is a different matter entirely and completely subjective, that seems to be what you're getting hung up on. Nobody's trying to "convince" you, some people preffer the way TS looks, some preffer the way the original looks. Nobody's wrong or right.
Twin snakes all the way, most people saying mgs1 havent even played it recently, you can hardly make out whats happening on screen if you play anywhere other than a psp, a vita or some emulation on pc. Also shitload of input lag on ps3. Twin snakes is fucking awesome. And if tranq gun in fps is overpowered, I got a solution for you, dont use it.
Not true. In fact TTS original cutscenes were more like the original game. Hideo Kojima didn't like it and told them to ham it up and Silicone Knights did what he asked.
Yeah for sure. But I meant only in the context of 1. The original is what the rest of the games in the series references. Twin Snakes isn't *bad* it's just not the thing that made the series what it is.
It's just dumb fun anyway.
I'm with everyone else who thinks the PSX version looks, plays, and feels superior, but the biggest plusses for it are the voices and localization. It's not just the performances, either, although they're much better. Snake in particular, before Hayter developed his voice into a gravelly caricature, but the entire cast just feels so much more alive and urgent. Mei Ling's accent is unfortunate, but everyone else is sooo much better than in Twin Snakes.
Even more important, however, is the localization. Jeremy Blaustein famously had free reign when localizing the game, he's the one who came up with terms like "codec" and turned Kojima's script into a naturalistic Hollywood action movie in which the characters actually talked like human beings. When Kojima found out how many liberties were taken, he was pissed, and had a new localization done for Twin Snakes. It's more accurate to the letter of his original script, but it has the same weird robotic quality of the ultra-literal translations from all the other games. MGS1 had such a phenomenal and unique localization and it's a shame that it was thrown in the dumpster.
Polygon had a great article about the localization here, written by the man himself.
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TTS.
Having to hide bodies and other features from MGS2 made it more fun. Reduced backtracking also.
Having to hide bodies and other features from MGS2 made it more fun. Reduced backtracking also.
But in some examples, it's not subjective when you say characters who you would like to see them act cinemactically that that they look better without eyes and barely any expressions. It's not subjective, it's nonsense and for whatever reason they can come up with.
Regardless of this again, the other poster did specifically say the amount of threads should prove and convince me, and the numbers should invalidate me about saying Twin Snakes looks better.
Definitely play original first. Twin Snakes is great fun, but I think it's best experienced as a remix.
Twin Snakes. Still pretty good graphics and sure it's fairly broken (especially the Gray Fox fight) but the reason most people go back to it is for the story and I have to imagine it's got a cleaned up script alongside it's awesome over the top cutscenes.
Twin Snakes is saddled with an inferior soundtrack, over-exaggerated sound effects, bored-sounding voice acting, and a janky framerate.
Cool cutscenes, though.
Cool cutscenes, though.
Lots of people will tell you The Twin Snakes is garbage and to only ever play the original, but I never understood that narrative and I'd say to take those opinions with a grain of salt. The original is a masterpiece, of course, but The Twin Snakes absolutely does not ruin it and plays + looks better to boot.
That said, some of the voice actors were replaced with inferior actors in The Twin Snakes (though not always; there's at least one actor I would say is actually an improvement over the original, but I'm biased in this case) and there are people who believe that the over-the-top quality The Twin Snakes adds to some of its cutscenes ruins the vibe. I disagree with those people, but what can you do? Still, it's a fair criticism.
TL;DR - There is no wrong way to play MGS and it's an absolute classic no matter which way you go about it. The original is a masterpiece that holds up today, and The Twin Snakes is a really good remake of that masterpiece with a few divisive changes. You can't go wrong either way, though.
That said, some of the voice actors were replaced with inferior actors in The Twin Snakes (though not always; there's at least one actor I would say is actually an improvement over the original, but I'm biased in this case) and there are people who believe that the over-the-top quality The Twin Snakes adds to some of its cutscenes ruins the vibe. I disagree with those people, but what can you do? Still, it's a fair criticism.
TL;DR - There is no wrong way to play MGS and it's an absolute classic no matter which way you go about it. The original is a masterpiece that holds up today, and The Twin Snakes is a really good remake of that masterpiece with a few divisive changes. You can't go wrong either way, though.
