It was pretty nonsense. Batman was like knocked out on the ground, then suddenly the batmobile starts revving up. I know it's his thing to walk around undetected but this is a bit much..In general I found the car chase to be a bit of mess that was pretty hard to follow for the most part.Just got out.
The car chase baffled me. Yes Batman had to make a getaway after being initially fired upon immediately after the reveal of the Annika girl's body, he was on the ground injured I get that. Why did he get in his car, rev the engines, and then patiently wait for Penguin? Penguin tells the bent cop to get the money then ditches him right? So I'm confused as to why he didn't tell the gang to blow him away/Gordon seemed to disappear/Selina took the cash…..I mean there was no valid reason for the car chase was there?
These are the things I immediately think of.
The whole rata alada thing is one of the wonkiest things in the script, and the punch line being that the Penguin has to give them Spanish lessons is just a really weird bit of humor in that moment. I really couldn't believe they decided to keep bringing it up throughout the entire picture.For all the cleverness of figuring out the riddles within mere seconds I was kinda baffled at the "rat with wings" one. When they seriously discussed that a falcon is "kinda looking like a rat with wings" I rolled my eyes so hard. 😂
For all the cleverness of figuring out the riddles within mere seconds I was kinda baffled at the "rat with wings" one. When they seriously discussed that a falcon is "kinda looking like a rat with wings" I rolled my eyes so hard. 😂
To me I liked that Bruce wasn't the world's greatest detective. He was just this slightly-better-than-real-detectives detective that is still learning. I liked that better than a lot of detective films where the lead seems to just solve everything either by luck or because they are so good at their job.That's the thing...how's this even remotely a good detective movie ? And it's literally the entire film lol. It's half baked in so many ways, feels like it never goes passed second gear. The cinematography is the real mvp
Saw this last friday and found it to be excellent. Great interpretations of the involved characters all around. I would like to see more of Andy Serkis' Alfred in the sequel.
One thing towards the end wasn't clear to me, so maybe someone can explain this to me:
So after Batman knocked out riddlers goons on the rafters of the stadium he jumped towards a rope, severed it with the Batarang and fell down into the water. If that was his intention, why didn't he jump/ glide down in the first place? Why did he cut the rope? I believe I am missing something there.
Wasnt a fun ofhow Alfred came out of his injury and he immediately started grinding him about his dad.
Other than the movie was pretty damn good.
Pattinson deserves some kudos for pulling off a reasonable Batvoice. The narration was great because of it. Both Bale and Affleck missed the mark on this.
Definitely resisted the urge to just try to lower his voice and be as comically gruff as possible.
I saw it for a second time and I liked it even more. Folks, it's the best Batman.
There's this moment just as Falcone is dying where he and Batman look into eachother's eyes where I'm pretty sure Falcone realises it's Bruce under there the instant before he dies. It calls back to the earlier scene where Falcone talks about Thomas Wayne operating on him, with Bruce watching from the stairs, and Falcone says something like "I've always remembered that face". Then later as Falcone lies dying he looks up and sees what must be the same look on Batman's face (the camera holds on Pattinson looking traumatised in a way that doesn't seem to match the scene, and then it cuts to an overhead shot from the streetlight above that evokes the famous scene of young Bruce kneeling over his parents in Crime Alley). It's an interesting little moment, and it immediately leads into the scenes of Batman in Riddler's hideout wondering if Riddler knows his secret identity and saying what might be his last goodbye to Gordon. It's really well done.
Watched it last night. Easily the best live action Batman movie but Mask of the Phantasm is still the GOAT.
I loved it. The tone and atmosphere was 10/10. It's nice to finally see Gotham on screen instead of just a slightly shittier Chicago. Performances were great all round. I loved the fact they went full Dredd and kept Pattinson in the costume for basically the whole movie. Was nice seeing the characters interact like it was just a day on the job. All the third act complaints I saw on here were totally overblown imo I really enjoyed it. It felt like an escalation in scale but didn't betray what came before it.
My only issues were that it was hard to see a lot of what was happening due to blurriness and darkness but maybe that was just my cinema.film wise the instant GCPD heel turn from insanely corrupt to good guys gave me huge whiplash and it felt like either they cut that narrative for time or the studio meddled because copaganda. Also THAT cameo was totally unnecessary and took me out the movie. Jesus can we not go two minutes without this character.
Luck, like the Penguin pointing out Alfreds faulty translation or that the cop guarding the Riddlers apartment knows about the carpenters tool?
Got my third for Friday morning lolGot second viewing tickets for Saturday morning.
I couldn't help myself.
For all the cleverness of figuring out the riddles within mere seconds I was kinda baffled at the "rat with wings" one. When they seriously discussed that a falcon is "kinda looking like a rat with wings" I rolled my eyes so hard. 😂
I mean, some luck had to happen xDLuck, like the Penguin pointing out Alfreds faulty translation or that the cop guarding the Riddlers apartment knows about the carpenters tool?
I do like that he's still learning and all that, but I feel like certain things could've been handled better. Hopefully we get more movies that can build off this in a good way.
The man gives some long ass answers. By the end of the movie he will be still talking about the first scene on the directors commentary.Matt Reeves gave a good interview on Thr Big Picture podcast FYI if you like that kind of thing. Sounds like a man who gets it
For all the cleverness of figuring out the riddles within mere seconds I was kinda baffled at the "rat with wings" one. When they seriously discussed that a falcon is "kinda looking like a rat with wings" I rolled my eyes so hard. 😂
Barry seems really eager to work in this universe - guess we gonna see him in Arkham series, perhaps?
Q: Matt Reeves has confirmed that yes, this is Joker, or rather, the man who will become Joker–a man who has been plagued by a a condition that forces him to smile uncontrollably since his birth, and has been driven mad as a result.
I know we can't say out-loud the role that you're playing in The Batman, but could tell me about Matt Reeves as a filmmaker?
A: "He's brilliant, man. And Matt Reeves and Dylan Clark especially and together were amazing to me– eally, really amazing to me. And, you know, getting to be part of the Batman universe is [a huge deal for me]. I'm a fanboy of these movies, and especially the Batman universe. So be to be in that world, I'm still pinching myself. He's a filmmaker I hugely admire as well. And to get to walk alongside him and see how he works, and seeing much like Chloe Zhao, how comfortable he makes you on set, and he gives you the time you need and what you want. I'm in such a blessed position."
I took as not that a falcon is a rat with wings, but Falconi is both the rat, and has wings because of a Falcon.
I like the Rata Alada stuff because it was confusing and ambiguous enough to mean many things
People being bothered by the inclusion of Joker in a Batman movie lol. Next you're gonna say, maybe he doesn't need Alfred. Jim Gordon can fuck off. Could lose the gadgets, too. Maybe even get rid of the cowl, let us look at the actor's face more.
Maybe some of you just don't like the Batman mythos, and it's fine. But let's not pretend that the inclusion was in any way detrimental.
Disagree heavily with Bruce not having meaningful growth.Watched this last night.
Found it entertaining, but thought it was mediocre.
Batman was super one dimensional and also rather ridiculous. LIke in some ways they were attempting to make it more grounded than even Nolan's films, but him having more mundane abilities and equipment somehow made his feats less believable. He didn't have any meaningful growth within the course of the film nor interesting conversations. The Riddler basically gave himself in, when he could have easily got Scot free. On the other hand, he waterlogged the city, so I guess he kind of came out on top. Catwoman was good, much less boring than Batman. Yeah, I went to see this film because eh, I enjoyed some of the previous batman films. But this doesn't really do anything new, and was also way longer than it should have been, given the content.
Movie needed more that that "studio mandated" narration.Disagree heavily with Bruce not having meaningful growth.
The film was fairly on the nose with it, but seems a lot of people just missed out on it?
People being bothered by the inclusion of Joker in a Batman movie lol. Next you're gonna say, maybe he doesn't need Alfred. Jim Gordon can fuck off. Could lose the gadgets, too. Maybe even get rid of the cowl, let us look at the actor's face more.
Maybe some of you just don't like the Batman mythos, and it's fine. But let's not pretend that the inclusion was in any way detrimental.
Disagree heavily with Bruce not having meaningful growth.
The film was fairly on the nose with it, but seems a lot of people just missed out on it?
People being bothered by the inclusion of Joker in a Batman movie lol. Next you're gonna say, maybe he doesn't need Alfred. Jim Gordon can fuck off. Could lose the gadgets, too. Maybe even get rid of the cowl, let us look at the actor's face more.
Maybe some of you just don't like the Batman mythos, and it's fine. But let's not pretend that the inclusion was in any way detrimental.
People being bothered by the inclusion of Joker in a Batman movie lol. Next you're gonna say, maybe he doesn't need Alfred. Jim Gordon can fuck off. Could lose the gadgets, too. Maybe even get rid of the cowl, let us look at the actor's face more.
Maybe some of you just don't like the Batman mythos, and it's fine. But let's not pretend that the inclusion was in any way detrimental.
Watched this last night.
Found it entertaining, but thought it was mediocre.
Batman was super one dimensional and also rather ridiculous. LIke in some ways they were attempting to make it more grounded than even Nolan's films, but him having more mundane abilities and equipment somehow made his feats less believable. He didn't have any meaningful growth within the course of the film nor interesting conversations. The Riddler basically gave himself in, when he could have easily got Scot free. On the other hand, he waterlogged the city, so I guess he kind of came out on top. Catwoman was good, much less boring than Batman. Yeah, I went to see this film because eh, I enjoyed some of the previous batman films. But this doesn't really do anything new, and was also way longer than it should have been, given the content.
Yeah, Bruce has the most growth here of... I dunno, any of the live-action Batman movies? Outside of the origin of Begins, but any actual exploration of his interiority is basically resolved by minute 40 when he gets on the plane back to Gotham.Disagree heavily with Bruce not having meaningful growth.
The film was fairly on the nose with it, but seems a lot of people just missed out on it?
That's the thing...how's this even remotely a good detective movie ? And it's literally the entire film lol. It's half baked in so many ways, feels like it never goes passed second gear. The cinematography is the real mvp
batman as a detective:
i'm ok with batman being an imperfect detective. i'm just happy he was, you know, actually a detective in this. i see the complaint that he didn't solve all of the riddles or clues without help. but i feel like that's being overblown quite a bit. he solves nearly every riddle almost immediately. he notices things that the cops don't notice. he seems like he's the smartest one in the room in every scene (e.g. he noticed the ecchymosis that i guess presumably wouldn't otherwise be noticed until a medical examiner looked at the body). even after penguin pointed out the flaw in the spanish, batman was the one who put 2 and 2 together and knew it was a web address. even after the cop pointed out that the tool was for carpets. it was batman who figured out to use the tool to lift up the riddler's carpet. so yeah, he's not exactly the world's greatest detective...yet. but that's clearly intentional and it was awesome to see batman and gordon working a case together
nah the momentum of the movie grinded to a halt when that cameo came up -- it was weird and proved why we typically save that stuff for after the credits.
Yeah, I think once the honeymoon period is over this will be picked apart even worse than TDK. I love TDK, I never got these nitpick complaints about the Joker's "plan." It's a film. But The Batman hinges far more on its "detective" plot which is far messier with big holes. It's just not a good detective film.
People complain about Batman in the Nolan films not getting to flex his detective skills, but he comes across as a way bigger genius and detective than idiot Batman in this film.
This is a film where Batman doesn't solve or prevent a single crime from occurring, but thinks he is "smart" because he solves the serial killer's clues in time to witness his next murder. Batman comes across as equally deranged with regards to puzzles as The Riddler. It's like he is compelled to solve every riddle presented despite the fact that IT'S NOT HIS JOB! His job to stop the serial killer aka The Riddler, to capture him. Yet at no point does he actually try and either figure out who The Riddler really is or attempt to locate him. Instead he keeps solving the riddles claiming "it's The Riddler's game now." So what, you just have to play?
In these types of stories, both broad mystery clue stories and even specific Batman Riddler stories, there always comes a point when the hero stops playing the game and instead goes on the hunt using everything they've found so far. Hell, take Die Hard with a Vengeance and its whole game of Simon Says. At a certain point McClane realizes it's all a wild goose chase and stops playing the game and instead tries to hunt down Simon. There's just never a point in the film where Bruce thinks, "maybe I should stop being led around and instead try to put one over on the Riddler."
Instead he gets completely caught up in the Riddler's game to the point that he doesn't save a single target and the Riddler has to turn himself in because he's too dumb to figure it out. And then the Riddler is always waiting at the exact moment Batman solves the Riddle to commit the murder or relay his next instructions without delay.
Solving riddles doesn't make you a good detective.