The Art of Street Fighter V

Raguel · Feb 3, 2018

SaltyGeneralTso said:
Obviously I'm not as mad as you are and I'm not being passive aggressive about it, I'm being completely forward. SFV's OT is full of dudes who want to make threads about their game where as soon as someone has an opinion that doesn't match theirs they all gang up and never engage in an honest discussion whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised if the community itself has scared more newcomers away than it has attracted.

But we're not talking about the SFV community in this thread. This thread sole purpose was to express people's love for the art and animation of street fighter. I'm not a huge fan of the art in SFV but I appreciate it. Just like I appreciate tekkens art. But I see no reason to come into a thread specifically designed to discuss peoples affinity for a certain product and shit on it like you have. So what was your entire point in coming in here and doing that?

2shd · Feb 3, 2018

D.Lo said:
My issue is, for example, that the hair/clothes look like they're made of clay, but move like they are made of hair and fabric. It creates a cognitive dissonance on those physics. It's like it's been animated for another art style (like a normal 3D art style like Tekken), then had the claymation art style added on top.

I kinda see what you're saying. I was big into action figures (and had a huge SOTA toys SF collection). One of my pet peeves with figures is when they have cloth capes or clothing instead of modeled plastic. The SOTA Toys Bison cape always bothered me like that. However, sometimes something has to give, so it doesn't bother me too much in the context of this presentation.

MegaBeefBowl · Feb 3, 2018

SaltyGeneralTso said:
Hey everybody look it's all the regular posters from the sfv ot talking about how great sfv is and shouting down all dissenting opinions.

The rabid desire to defend SFV in every single respect is a wild thing to see. Kinda amazing how every single discussion of SFV here gets dominated by the same handful of people armed with their folders of gifs and dismissive statements.

Raguel · Feb 3, 2018

Jaded Alyx said:
We just need someone to come in and say they think SFIV looks better, and we can wrap this one up and put a bow on it.

Hey now...that's just wrong

Omar310 · Feb 3, 2018

Omar310 said:
I really like SFV and I play it regularly but I have to say that the visuals are pretty hit or miss. Characters like Chun-Li and Karin look fantastic while some look pretty meh like Alex and Akuma. The game has really high highs but also really low lows.

One thing I hate that I never see mentioned is how weirdly proportioned some of the characters are and I don't just mean the hands and feet. Like, Ken looks so weirdly stocky that it makes him seem kinda short and weird looking which has bothered me since the game came out. Also the hair consistently looks like clay which I can never get over. I guess it's still better than He-Man looking Ken from SFIV.

The music, on the other hand, is fucking god-tier. It's like my third favourite soundtrack of this generation, beaten only by Nier Automata and Persona 5, yet it's rarely ever mentioned.

Quoting for the new page

jett · Feb 3, 2018

D.Lo said:
No, you did not. You posted a huge post about animation when I hadn't even mentioned my opinion on animation (or even mentioned it apart from incidentally saying the OP stated option as fact) but the modelling.

When I then replied to you your post directly addressing the animation, by stating that I didn't think the fluid animation matched the art style, you replied with no real engagement by quoting me out of context with a smarmy neckbeard meme.

Your behaviour in this thread has been extremely rude.

Guy comes into an appreciation thread for a game's art, first thing they say is

"A disgusting looking game"

"a fetishistic nightmare"

Rude behavior indeed.

Deleted member 29682 · Feb 3, 2018

Jaded Alyx said:
We just need someone to come in and say they think SFIV looks better, and we can wrap this one up and put a bow on it.

I'll say Juri's SF4 design was better. Does that count?

King_Moc · Feb 3, 2018

This game has some of the best animation work in all of videogames. I've no idea what people are looking at when they say they don't like the look of it tbh. If it's the backgrounds, then I'm glad they took a hit for the sake of the main characters tbh. Only one thing I'm looking at while playing.

Normal · Feb 3, 2018

Jaded Alyx said:
We just need someone to come in and say they think SFIV looks better, and we can wrap this one up and put a bow on it.

SFIV looks better. I'm not even joking.

Wood Man · Feb 3, 2018

I read the thread title as "The Art of Fighting." Clicked on expecting to see this.

I need to read better.

supafamiman · Feb 3, 2018

One of their goals I'm sure was to make each character unique in look and feel including the "old" familiar classic characters.

I think they've done a pretty good job with that. The characters animate very different from one another and body types vary too (with female characters getting the least amount of variance, though Chun-Li looks different from R.Mika who looks different from a smaller character like Cammy/Ibuki). You'd be able to distinguish one character from the other seeing their silhouette or how they move.

Some other games I can feel like I'm just playing basic male/female model + moveset and it's very "function-like".

Dark Ninja · Feb 3, 2018

The art direction in SFV is fantastic and it is why this game was able to be "saved" compared to something like MVCi where it wont be possible. The character models and animation continue to get better with every new character release. The skins/costumes have actual effort put into them and are not just color swaps or adding some sort of weird thing on top the characters. The worst art in the game continues to be Bengus story mode art.

Deleted member 16876 · Feb 3, 2018

Only thing I dislike is the huge feet and hands but otherwise, the game is beautiful.

D.Lo · Feb 3, 2018

Usyren said:
SFIV looks better. I'm not even joking.

I think 4 looks more consistent. It's ugly in a different way though, it just looks kind of budget/amateur.

Joe2187 · Feb 3, 2018

Usyren said:
SFIV looks better. I'm not even joking.

I raise you this monstrosity

Slammin_Hammon · Feb 3, 2018

The animation is great. So fluid and detailed. The effects are quite nice, especially when using v triggers. I just wish I liked the character design as much as the other aspects. I can't get past how ridiculous everyone looks.

SaltyGeneralTso · Feb 3, 2018

Raguel said:
But we're not talking about the SFV community in this thread. This thread sole purpose was to express people's love for the art and animation of street fighter. I'm not a huge fan of the art in SFV but I appreciate it. Just like I appreciate tekkens art. But I see no reason to come into a thread specifically designed to discuss peoples affinity for a certain product and shit on it like you have. So what was your entire point in coming in here and doing that?

It's a problem this site has needed to discuss for a long time. Obviously I'm not going to make a thread randomly calling out a whole community because that would be ridiculous, but when they illustrate the same exact destructive pattern immediately in a completely innocuous thread it's fully on the table for discussion. Everybody is still fine to post cool screenshots and gifs or whatever, but damn maybe these couple of people (I assume they know who they are) can chill out on the dogpiling of dissenting opinions?

MrCarter · Feb 3, 2018

Let's stay on topic people. Mods already gave a warning so there's no need to escalate things.

Brian Damage said:
Eh, I'd say Menat's pretty good but the others either don't really make much of an impression or, like in Kolin's case, are just plain daft.

Bow down before the Ice Queen:

Joe2187 · Feb 3, 2018

Richter1887 said:
Only thing I dislike is the huge feet and hands but otherwise, the game is beautiful.

I dont see that in any of the models in SFV, only happened in SFIV really. Character models in SFV have somewhat more subdued proportions on their limbs compared to SFIV.

only person that has giant hams for feet anymore is Ryu really.

Normal · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
I raise you this monstrosity

As long as Ken looks fine, I'll take everyone else looking like monsters. I am fine with those sacrifices.

D.Lo said:
I think 4 looks more consistent. It's ugly in a different way though, it just looks kind of budget/amateur.

Eh, never found IV to be ugly. SFV though... as soon as I saw that Ken trailer all I was thinking was what went wrong. Been two years, still waiting for that patch. Where is it Capcom?!

mbpm · Feb 3, 2018

MrCarter said:
Bow down before the Ice Queen:

DA QUEEN

2shd · Feb 3, 2018

King_Moc said:
This game has some of the best animation work in all of videogames. I've no idea what people are looking at when they say they don't like the look of it tbh. If it's the backgrounds, then I'm glad they took a hit for the sake of the main characters tbh. Only one thing I'm looking at while playing.

Fighting games seem to be so polarizing in terms of people's vocal love or disdain for the presentation. If you praise one aspect you'll get hordes of comments about how some other aspect is absolutely hideous. It never fails. It happens all the time for positive comments about NRS's presentation where you get that Kitana kicking gif or that video about how MKX's animation sucks.
It would be nice to talk about pros and cons of different games without all the extremes.

MegaBeefBowl · Feb 3, 2018

SFV is pretty inconsistent in its execution. I think a lot of its animation is top notch but the game in its entirety does not feel cohesive or consistent to me.

This clipping and way Kolin's clothes behave in the above screen is a perfect example of the things that stick out to me from a qualitative standpoint. With so much looking so good, the problems stick out more.

nded · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
I dont see that in any of the models in SFV, only happened in SFIV really. Character models in SFV have somewhat more subdued proportions on their limbs compared to SFIV.

only person that has giant hams for feet anymore is Ryu really.

Alex's hands are enormous. Like his fist is the size of his head.

Deleted member 29682 · Feb 3, 2018

MegaBeefBowl said:
SFV is pretty inconsistent in its execution. I think a lot of its animation is top notch but the game in its entirety does not feel cohesive or consistent to me.

This clipping and way Kolin's clothes behave in the above screen is a perfect example of the things that stick out to me from a qualitative standpoint. With so much looking so good, the problems stick out more.

You should try being a Vega main. 9 times out of 10, his ponytail freaks out during the win pose.

Deleted member 16876 · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
I dont see that in any of the models in SFV, only happened in SFIV really. Character models in SFV have somewhat more subdued proportions on their limbs compared to SFIV.

only person that has giant hams for feet anymore is Ryu really.

I feel like its mostly those without shoes that have it, like Ken, Ryu, Laura, Menat etc.
I agree though, this game is much better than 4 at this thing.

Joe2187 · Feb 3, 2018

Usyren said:
As long as Ken looks fine, I'll take everyone else looking like monsters. I am fine with those sacrifices.

Whats wrong with the way he looks in AE?

nded · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
Whats wrong with the way he looks in AE?

They should just make that second pic his select screen pose, tbh.

Silky · Feb 3, 2018

SaltyGeneralTso said:
Hey everybody look these two people don't know the difference between KOF 13 and 14.

Hey everybody look it's all the regular posters from the sfv ot talking about how great sfv is and shouting down all dissenting opinions.

KOFXIII is fucking awful, both visually and mechanically. Nona is my favorite SNK artist bar none but he can not design Sprite art worth shit.

And I don't even play SFV like that nor am i in the OT LMFAO. I compete in KI and even I can tell you that KI is an ugly ass game.

I wear one of the biggest capes for Killer Instinct as a competitive game don't you DARE suggest I can't give an opinion about the visuals on that game when they're fucking gaaaarbage

I can't believe you have the gall to even consider me an SFV fan I play that shit casually to the max. I'm a scrub Nash player who doesn't even watch that shit let alone actively discuss in it's mechanics. The audacity to make such a silly ass assumption about my fighting game preference when you can search my posts (it's a free feature on this site) and see what I'm into.

Joe2187 · Feb 3, 2018

nded said:
Alex's hands are enormous. Like his fist is the size of his head.

It's alex....he's....always looked like that. Toning down his proportions from his original sprite would be kind of jarring.

spider · Feb 3, 2018

SaltyGeneralTso said:
It's a problem this site has needed to discuss for a long time. Obviously I'm not going to make a thread randomly calling out a whole community because that would be ridiculous, but when they illustrate the same exact destructive pattern immediately in a completely innocuous thread it's fully on the table for discussion. Everybody is still fine to post cool screenshots and gifs or whatever, but damn maybe these couple of people (I assume they know who they are) can chill out on the dogpiling of dissenting opinions?

If your dissenting opinions are presented civilly and backed up with the understanding that others in the thread may react, in turn, with dismay towards you (i.e. dogpiling), then there is room for such feedback. We do not encourage an environment where there can be no discourse held in any given topic at ResetEra, but we do encourage that people keep to topic at hand, and that discussions are civil. Entering a thread simply to ruin the tone of the thread can fall within warnable conduct.

Please be mindful and apply empathy. Imagine if a thread is about a topic that you care passionately and that you want to gush about, before you hit post reply button.

Normal · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
Whats wrong with the way he looks in AE?

Uh when did this happen, dude looks fine in this image. But I do not remember him looking like this when I last played the game, I'll get back to you I need to boot up the game and see if he really looks like this now. In the first image, his hair and eyebrows look pretty bad. Especially the eyebrows.

jett · Feb 3, 2018

SF characters having big hands and feet has been a thing for over twenty years. It'd be strange if SFV didn't carry this age-old tradition.

It's done to make actions easier to read and increase the sense of impact of the attacks.

Joe2187 said:
I raise you this monstrosity

For reference

nded · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
It's alex....he's....always looked like that. Toning down his proportions from his original sprite would be kind of jarring.

Oh, I know. I'm totally into the exaggerated proportions of SF, by the way. It's just that the early SFIV models handled that particular stylistic hallmark poorly.

MegaBeefBowl · Feb 3, 2018

Brian Damage said:
You should try being a Vega main. 9 times out of 10, his ponytail freaks out during the win pose.

Right. Its these weird quirks that just look bad and remain front and center.

rusty chrome · Feb 3, 2018

SaltyGeneralTso said:
Different opinions make me so angry!!! If you're going to use the ignore function maybe you shouldn't post a pointless inflammatory comment to go with it?

This thread was about SFV's art, not a versus thread comparing personal preference across different games in the genre. Reading the thread title might help.

Joe2187 · Feb 3, 2018

Usyren said:
Uh when did this happen, dude looks fine in this image. But I do not remember him looking like this when I last played the game, I'll get back to you I need to boot up the game and see if he really looks like this now. In the first image, his hair and eyebrows look pretty bad. Especially the eyebrows.

You've fallen to the meme bro. His Vanilla SFV character select had atrocious lighting that made his character look mangled.

But what you get now is this

DiipuSurotu · Feb 3, 2018

Wow! o_O

MrCarter · Feb 3, 2018

Qikz said:
Karin is my favourite Street Fighter and I think she was amazing here.

I also love the art direction in SFV. It's leagues ahead of any Streetfighter outside of 3.

She does look great in her classic costume:

Normal · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
You've fallen to the meme bro. His Vanilla SFV character select had atrocious lighting that made his character look mangled.

But what you get now is this

Uh this Ken is pretty busted, this is what I remember seeing. It doesn't look close to the second image at all... I thought they finally replaced the character select icon with the second image you posted.

Joe2187 · Feb 3, 2018

Brian Damage said:
You should try being a Vega main. 9 times out of 10, his ponytail freaks out during the win pose.

You are like a little baby....

Watch this!

As a Mika Main, 99% of the time your victory screen looks like this

pochi · Feb 3, 2018

It's up there with GG and DBFZ. I love SFV attention to details .
Tekken, KOFXIV and MvCi are so behind sfv imo.
One thing I noticed is that the PS4 looks blury compared on my pc. I assume that my tv is just ass .

Silky · Feb 3, 2018

Joe2187 said:
You are like a little baby....

Watch this!

As a Mika Main, 99% of the time your victory screen looks like this

John Cena huh

ethomaz · Feb 3, 2018

nded said:
When SFV works, it works. But the game suffers from what I call Capcom Jank where it's almost perfect but then Laura's hair physics wigs out and vibrates into another dimension.

I love the look of it overall though.

The Laura hair is what I said some animation are bugged.

Overall it is gorgeous.

Cryptosporidium · Feb 3, 2018

I think everything but Kens face is beautiful

especially how Mika moves, her movements really show how excited she is.

MrCarter · Feb 3, 2018

Omar310 said:
The music, on the other hand, is fucking god-tier. It's like my third favourite soundtrack of this generation, beaten only by Nier Automata and Persona 5, yet it's rarely ever mentioned.

Oh the soundtrack deserves a whole other thread. It's definitely up there with P5, Nier Automata and other games for sure.

Ardiloso · Feb 3, 2018

I think it's hideous. Just a bit better than the horrible SF4'S but it's not a compliment.
This and Kof14 are the ugliest fighters this gen. I hope both games improve it in the next installment and try to mimic the art of the 2D entries of their heydays.

Village · Feb 3, 2018

Ardiloso said:
I think it's hideous. Just a bit better than the horrible SF4'S but it's not a compliment.
This and Kof14 are the ugliest fighters this gen. I hope both games improve it in the next installment and try to mimic the art of the 2D entries of their heydays.

That sounds artistically limiting

especially considering SFV looks great and there are other 3d fighters that look great. Maybe everything doesn't have to be the 90's and things can evovle artistically. Just maybe

Zyrox · Feb 3, 2018

Overall I really like SFV's art style except for the hair. Really brings the look of some characters down i.e. Ken and Alex.
Another visual thing I dislike is the clipping in the character select screen. I don't mind clipping normally but when it's front and center in the css then that's a pretty bad look imo.
Otherwise, yea SFV has a really nice artstyle and some of the best animation in Fighting games to date. Love all of Abigails little post atrack animations.

jett · Feb 3, 2018

Silky said:
John Cena huh

It's canon now.

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