That time Marvel had an oldhead take a young black superhero aside and give him "The Talk"

Slayven · Jul 10, 2020

For context "Buck" is what they use to call male salves in America. This was in 1988(2 years before i was born)

Farther on the nose, his main enemies were 2 white dudes mad he got promoted. Name Right Winger and Left Winger. 80s Cap was wildly topical.

Weiss · Jul 10, 2020

Hearing about this I always figured the writer (I think it was Mark Gruenwald?) got some letters about it so he worked it into the story.

Torpedo Vegas · Jul 10, 2020

Keep politics out of comics like they used too!

/s

Richietto · Jul 10, 2020

Lmao those villain names.

Slayven · Jul 10, 2020

Green Slime King said:
Lmao those villain names.

CoolestSpot · Jul 10, 2020

Tbh when I first read title I thought it was gonna be some old head hero on some dumb shit by some white writer. Glad to see it was the complete opposite.

GraphicViolets · Jul 10, 2020

Its really strange that they passed down bucky's name to the later sidekicks. Imagine if every Robin was called Dick

CoolestSpot · Jul 10, 2020

GraphicViolets said:
Its really strange that they passed down bucky's name to the later sidekicks. Imagine if every Robin was called Dick

...that doesn't work cause Robin's named is passed down, it's just Bucky's cause that's all he was ever called. It's more strange after the retcon that bucky was there to do what Cap couldn't.

NinjaGarden · Jul 10, 2020

Torpedo Vegas said:
Keep politics out of comics like they used too!

/s

Reminds me of this great page from What If

GraphicViolets · Jul 10, 2020

CoolestSpot said:
...that doesn't work cause Robin's named is passed down, it's just Bucky's cause that's all he was ever called. It's more strange after the retcon that bucky was there to do what Cap couldn't.

Doesn't Bucky come from his middle name Buchannon?

CoolestSpot · Jul 10, 2020

GraphicViolets said:
Doesn't Bucky come from his middle name Buchannon?

Yeah, I find it wild that Bucky was all his code name ever was.

Tobor · Jul 10, 2020

Weiss said:
Hearing about this I always figured the writer (I think it was Mark Gruenwald?) got some letters about it so he worked it into the story.

Gruenwald was an awesome dude.

Years ago I bought a trade paperback of Squadron Supreme that had a forward from his wife. She said Squadron Supreme was his favorite work and that his last request was to have his ashes spread in the ink of his best work. I was holding a copy with his ashes. Pretty cool way to do it, if you ask me.

xclk07 · Jul 10, 2020

That whole story line was great (332 to 350 I think?). Walker becoming the pos US Agent and always keeping that republican idiocy has always been fun!

Ramathevoice · Jul 10, 2020

I also love that Cap just completely takes it in stride, like "Oh yeah that makes sense, new name's awesome let's goooooo"

Duo VII · Jul 10, 2020

NinjaGarden said:
Reminds me of this great page from What If

This is pretty great. What's this "What If..?!" about?

Weiss · Jul 10, 2020

Duo VII said:
This is pretty great. What's this "What If..?!" about?

What If Captain America weren't revived until today (or the 80s)

What If #44

Lonestar · Jul 10, 2020

Ramathevoice said:
I also love that Cap just completely takes it in stride, like "Oh yeah that makes sense, new name's awesome let's goooooo"

His very next thought is PR related "whew, we hadn't introduced you yet, so no damage was done!"

Tobor · Jul 10, 2020

Weiss said:
What If Captain America weren't revived until today (or the 80s)

What If #44

This is one reason why Cap's story is so great. He can be frozen until whatever the modern day is and it still works. If anything, it has gotten better over time. See MCU cap.

I need to go back and read old Gruenwald Cap, this run included. Is it on Marvel Unlimited?

Weiss · Jul 10, 2020

Tobor said:
This is one reason why Cap's story is so great. He can be frozen until whatever the modern day is and it still works. If anything, it has gotten better over time. See MCU cap.

I need to go back and read old Gruenwald Cap, this run included. Is it on Marvel Unlimited?

I couldn't tell ya, unfortunately. I do all my comics reading on CMX.

RedHoodedOwl · Jul 10, 2020

Battlestar was USAgent/Captain America's sidekick. USAgent is the right-wing counterpart of Captain America.

Ramathevoice · Jul 10, 2020

Lonestar said:
His very next thought is PR related "whew, we hadn't introduced you yet, so no damage was done!"

I'm not reading it as a "whew", more like as a bonus, but I get what you're saying.

Bigwombat · Jul 10, 2020

Tobor said:
Gruenwald was an awesome dude.

Years ago I bought a trade paperback of Squadron Supreme that had a forward from his wife. She said Squadron Supreme was his favorite work and that his last request was to have his ashes spread in the ink of his best work. I was holding a copy with his ashes. Pretty cool way to do it, if you ask me.

Wow that's pretty neat.

CoolestSpot · Jul 10, 2020

who are the black heroes from Marvel's WWII days? any?

Deleted member 25606 · Jul 10, 2020

Tobor said:
This is one reason why Cap's story is so great. He can be frozen until whatever the modern day is and it still works. If anything, it has gotten better over time. See MCU cap.

I need to go back and read old Gruenwald Cap, this run included. Is it on Marvel Unlimited?

Yup. I recommend starting with cap refusing to do the governments bidding and stepping down to the issue where he battles John and the Skull and picks the mantle back up. If you go further than that you start getting into "cap is in a crack house that blows up and the drugs bond with the serum so he runs around super high for 5 issues" territory.

But yeah the cap as the captain, and John as Cap run is mostly brilliant, just be forewarned still a white writer so as good as the shared panel is you also get to see Lamar "get some learning so he can speak right" type shit. Still worth the read.

Tobor · Jul 10, 2020

Matthew77 said:
Yup. I recommend starting with cap refusing to do the governments bidding and stepping down to the issue where he battles John and the Skull and picks the mantle back up. If you go further than that you start getting into "cap is in a crack house that blows up and the drugs bond with the serum so he runs around super high for 5 issues" territory.

But yeah the cap as the captain, and John as Cap run is mostly brilliant, just be forewarned still a white writer so as good as the shared panel is you also get to see Lamar "get some learning so he can speak right" type shit. Still worth the read.

Yeah, I know Gruenwald is white, but as I said above I think he was a decent guy. Good to know his Cap run holds up.(Mostly, of course.)

HiLife · Jul 10, 2020

Right Winger is hilarious lmao.

Deleted member 25606 · Jul 10, 2020

Tobor said:
Yeah, I know Gruenwald is white, but as I said above I think he was a decent guy. Good to know his Cap run holds up.(Mostly, of course.)

Oh I'm not trying to drag him, just saying he still did some tone deaf stuff, but he was trying and did some really good stuff that as always is even more timely now.

Tobor · Jul 10, 2020

Matthew77 said:
Oh I'm not trying to drag him, just saying he still did some tone deaf stuff, but he was trying and did some really good stuff that as always is even more timely now.

Thanks again for the info! I will definitely give it a read.

joedick · Jul 10, 2020

Tobor said:
I need to go back and read old Gruenwald Cap, this run included. Is it on Marvel Unlimited?

That whole series is up, 100-454. Only a few of the annuals are missing.

CoolestSpot said:
who are the black heroes from Marvel's WWII days? any?

Like actually during WWII? I'm no expert, but I can't imagine there were any. The most I ever saw in the ones I read on unlimited were helpers to the white man who went to the jungle to tame the 'savages'. I'm pretty sure I heard Black Panther was the first. If you mean retconned, I couldn't tell you.

jph139 · Jul 10, 2020

CoolestSpot said:
who are the black heroes from Marvel's WWII days? any?

If we're talking actually from the 40s, there aren't any. Just, uhh... Whitewash Jones.

When you get to the 50s there's Waku, Prince of the Bantu, which is still pretty racist in a "noble savage" sort of way, but he at least looks like a human being. After that it's nothing until the famous characters in the 60s - Gabe Jones, Falcon, Black Panther.

When you get into flashback stuff, though, you obviously have Isaiah Bradley, and I guess you can count T'Chaka?

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